Domey says fudge metrics.

Just a few years ago the a league was on the up and whatever the metrics are could well have been achievable, it's a different outlook for the a league right now.

I thought it was viewership, rather than TV revenue?

I would say "both".  

Surely TV revenue (money the network will offer to HAL) is based on viewership (what it is worth to the network).

Ka Rawe 

Hope this helps Welnix get sum investors. A Chinese one or a club from Euro?. 

Surely a working relationship with Didier Drogba and Phoenix Rising FC, call it Phoenix Football Group.

Credit where credit is due. The Chair, Rob Morrison stood out as a leader of change in this process. Well done indeed.

Dome was saying there seems to be renewed investor interest in the club and sponsorship hopefully coming.

He did say that the majority of money from Singh will be reinvested into the bottom line, however, if some of this other stuff eventuates then Ufuk will see some of it.

Where'd he say this?

On the radio, week in demand on radio sport around 4:45

Thanks mate

On that other forum (442) they said the licence is for sale but only %40 and in the pod cast Dome says something like that too?.

Is the club selling part of its licence to investors or is it %40 of Welnix? Im confused. 

Ignore 442 they're just misreporting Dome on the pod.

A lot of Aussie bitters on 442 seem still convinced that the Nix are gone after this season. I can't help wondering if they know something I don't.

Nah, if you frequent the 442 forums you know that there are a select few people (i.e. 'TheSelectFew') who have been trying to will the banishment of the Nix into existence for years and will continue to do so until they are lying in a hospital bed. With their last dying breath they will mutter 'Hashtag Nix Out'.

Just hope that the FFA's "Good of the Australian Game" rights don't include the right to veto our continued involvement in the league.

If only they could also vote for Donald Trump, they would.

The other theme over in Oz id the 2nd tier is going to be the savior of the A-league.  Promotion/Relegation will allow pathways for little clubs to push on. LOL 

Then they have started the A-League clubs will sell out to get the investment to manage and promote the Independent league.

2nd tier may be up and running for 20/21 but it will only be a hybrid of the NPL, and will take years for them to build financially and player stocks to bring in Pro/Relegation.

Pro/rel is a pipedream right now, and if it's rushed it'll kill the league. 

More investment is a must though, the new governance will have to get the league metrics up pretty quickly, otherwise the new broadcasting deal negotiations aren't going to be pretty.

Pro might be a goer, promote a team from the NPL every couple of years but it's pointless having relegation while the competition is so small.

To the contrary, I think the impending switch to an independent A-League will delay any thought of promotion/relegation involving NPL for years. It will however make it easier to allow for an expansion if moneyed up clubs are able/keen to join the new league, be it Canberra, Wollongong, Townsville or Auckland.  This has however nothing to do with promotion or relegation in the sense discussed here.

Yep, pretty much this. Pro/rel, especially in connection with state league clubs, would be a huge risk for the independent league, and especially smaller clubs in the league (including us). And most of the NPL sides wouldn't have the financial clout and commercial backing to bring significant value to the league. 

Even with expansion, the independent league will have to be careful. There really needs to be a broadening of the player base, and changes to the import slot rules, and eventually, the scrapping of the salary cap to ensure that the league can grow in a financially sustainable yet commercially attractive manner. It'll be a difficult balance to strike in the first few years of the independent league, and I don't imagine that there'll be a rush into expansion unless someone comes along that genuinely ticks all the boxes (unlike the FFA box ticking exercises).

Big clubs see this as the path to chuck the cap, yeh?

I mean really- the clubs investigating cap breaches? Guna be a charade.

Yeah, I think it will need to happen eventually but needs to be done in a sustainable way.

Out of curiosity, does the MLS have a pro/rel system? I understand they have 3 pro tiers nowadays but I thought clubs have to become franchisees in order to join the MLS..

The reason I mentioned the MLS is because they've gone from strength to strength over the last 20-30 years and would be a good financial model to emulate...

No they don't

So why would we want to go down that route if a much bigger country (actually 2 countries if you include Canada) with a massive population and stronger economies are not even there yet?
I know it sounds good but if there's no direct economic benefit and the process could jeopardise the league, I wouldn't even contemplate it.

Agree, i dont think it should realistically be in the pipeline for at least another 10 years minimum. The league needs to get to 16/18 teams before we have pro/rel, and that will take a long long time to properly get that many clubs going

In theory, because FIFA bylaws say that promotion-relegation is the norm. The US is a "special case" for all sorts of reasons, one of which might sound familiar - because clubs are franchises which need security of tenure in order to invest.

The other factor is that there are a whole bunch of NSL die-hards in Australian football who won't rest until South Melbourne and/or Woollongong get their shot at the big time.

Plenty of talk about that.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/18/is-promotion-and-relegation-any-closer-in-us-soccer

I may of course be wrong here, but I think that promotion and relegation only works in countries where football is the number one spectator sport.  FIFA may make special cases for countries (=markets) where there is chance to expand football's presence commercially, but in general any significant growth of football would not suddenly topple other (top) sports commercially in any given country and tap into their funding. And promotion / relegation requires more clubs to have decent money than in a franchise model. 

Examples to the contrary are welcome!

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That does sound positive
And from an OZ paper too

it is just kinda stating what we all knew would be the case with the FFA on the way out. The clubs have control, have said they want the nix in the league so the FFA must obey.