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Ernie Merrick - former Phoenix manager

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almost 13 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

Doloras wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

What exactly is wrong with Merrick ?



Heh. You may be shocked to learn that Merrick plays pretty much the same kind of game as Herbert did.




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almost 13 years ago

UK Kiwi wrote:

Mark Hughes     Coached in England........and Welsh National Team.......Kinda overseas

Gordan Strachan      England and Scotland

Sammy McIlroy      England and Northern Island National Team

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"The identity of the former Man U player is not known but he has apparently held coaching positions in the UK and abroad"

So Mr UK Kiwi, are Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland no longer part of the United Kingdom?


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almost 13 years ago

Ole Gunnar Solskjær??

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almost 13 years ago

Tweeted Piney to see if he had heard any gossip, but he says they have kept everything close to their chests.

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almost 13 years ago

I like Vader's suggestion of bringing Rufer in a developmental role.

It would raise his academy profile and attract better players as they may see this as a direct path to getting noticed for the Nix academies. Additionally any young quality players will probably through him have better chances to trial overseas than if someone else held the role.

He gets his face in the media promoting the best young players and increased $$ whilst we get "hopefully" more players playing overseas Win Win.


 

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almost 13 years ago

Id be happy if Rufer was the youth coach if we actually had a team in the NYL...Academy is essentiall bogus until that happens IMO


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almost 13 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I like Vader's suggestion of bringing Rufer in a developmental role.

It would raise his academy profile and attract better players as they may see this as a direct path to getting noticed for the Nix academies. Additionally any young quality players will probably through him have better chances to trial overseas than if someone else held the role.

He gets his face in the media promoting the best young players and increased $$ whilst we get "hopefully" more players playing overseas Win Win.

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Id be happy if Rufer was the youth coach if we actually had a team in the NYL...Academy is essentiall bogus until that happens IMO

Do some real due diligence boys  

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almost 13 years ago

I wouldn't put Rufer in my top 5 youth coaches in NZ.

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almost 13 years ago

solksjaer is on the wanted list for most EPL clubs.  therefore, you can take him off our list

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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

Doloras wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

What exactly is wrong with Merrick ?



Heh. You may be shocked to learn that Merrick plays pretty much the same kind of game as Herbert did.


Not true at all.
Merrick played a very narrow game that focused on quick passing - barely ever went wide. Basically the opposite to Ricki's tactics. His Melbourne team played the best football in the league at the time.

a.haak

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almost 13 years ago

'At the time' is key.  Think most people would say the game/league has moved on.

Wasn't he also critised for having no plan b.

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almost 13 years ago

reg22 wrote:

solksjaer is on the wanted list for most EPL clubs.  therefore, you can take him off our list


Most EPL clubs?
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almost 13 years ago

valeo wrote:

Doloras wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

What exactly is wrong with Merrick ?



Heh. You may be shocked to learn that Merrick plays pretty much the same kind of game as Herbert did.


Not true at all.
Merrick played a very narrow game that focused on quick passing - barely ever went wide. Basically the opposite to Ricki's tactics. His Melbourne team played the best football in the league at the time.

It was narrow but not so sure about the quick passing, they left gaps wide to run onto. An unbelievably high percentage of their attacking play was through balls to Thompson or Allsop. When these were shut down they looked like a completely different team. There was quite a bit of long ball. 

It's not completely opposite to Ricki although it was different. And it's not the possession game welnix seem to be looking for, although I am not entirely sure how firm they are on that.
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almost 13 years ago

My 2 cents is that Merrick's success came in the early days of the league and the league has developed significantly since then. The same squad and tactics that won the league in earlier seasons wouldnt have cut It this season. I hope Merrick isn't the man for he job. Think we can do better.

"Yellow Fever are fantastic – I have to say that"

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almost 13 years ago

yeah I sort of believe Merrick essentially had the best players in the league rather than the best tactics or coaching ability.


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almost 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

UK Kiwi wrote:

Mark Hughes     Coached in England........and Welsh National Team.......Kinda overseas

Gordan Strachan      England and Scotland

Sammy McIlroy      England and Northern Island National Team

?????????????????????


"The identity of the former Man U player is not known but he has apparently held coaching positions in the UK and abroad"

So Mr UK Kiwi, are Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland no longer part of the United Kingdom?


Don`t let them put you off the scent

I was going to mention Steve Coppell but you already new !!!!!!!!!

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almost 13 years ago

 I am not saying that Merrick would win us the toilet seat next season. He may not be as good anymore for the current level of A-League as some of the posters said - Popovic, Arnold and Postecoglou raised the bar in the seasons immediately after Merrick's exit. 

However, some of the wishful thinking bandied about here, regarding some of the possible UK coaches, miss one point - that the only coach who arrived fresh from abroad and tasted success was the German coach of Sydney FC in their first season, whose name momentarily and embarrasingly escapes me. Every other coach winning the A-league since then has been around the local scene for some time.

It may be a mixture of factors - lack of player knowledge, different seasons, local psyche...whatever. The reality is that neither the Heart with van't Schipp nor Adelaide with Coolen nor Melbourne Victory with the brief and unfortunate Jim Magilton interlude.

Merrick may not be the best option there is, but not the worst - he had seven seasons with MV and the team did not come last every time.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 13 years ago

 I clearly lost track of my own thought there:

"The reality is that neither the Heart with van't Schipp nor Adelaide with Coolen nor Melbourne Victory with the brief and unfortunate Jim Magilton interlude..." were able to win the league.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 13 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

 I clearly lost track of my own thought there:

"The reality is that neither the Heart with van't Schipp nor Adelaide with Coolen nor Melbourne Victory with the brief and unfortunate Jim Magilton interlude..." were able to win the league.


Doesnt mean it couldnt happen


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almost 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

Mainland FC wrote:

"The reality is that neither the Heart with van't Schipp nor Adelaide with Coolen nor Melbourne Victory with the brief and unfortunate Jim Magilton interlude..." were able to win the league.


Doesnt mean it couldnt happen



Possiibly. However, I doubt it.
Despite early promise, Coolen was undone by the infamous backroom machinations at Ad Utd and also had a long string of losses.  Van't Schip was not interested in winning as such; he didn't mind winning as long as the team played a beautiful game... a winner in Craig Foster's eyes.... and the less is said about the possum caught in headlights that was Jim Magilton, the better.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 13 years ago

Lavicka, a Czech, took Sydney to the title at first try in 2009-10. Always seems to be forgotten in these foreign v local debates.

However basically I agree - Merrick has a lot of A League experience and having him as coach wouldn't fill me with dismay.


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almost 13 years ago

One thing I've not seen mentioned in relation to Merrick and which may appeal to Gazza, Noah, Dominho et al is his relationship with (and ability to get the best from?) Carlos. Could be a big plus for him given he'll be the key to the style of football we play and how well it's implemented (or not).

Not saying I agree - I dunno, you lot here are the experts.

E + R + O

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almost 13 years ago

Self appointed experts. 

Decent point regarding Hernandez. Unsure of you should sign a coach on the basis of his relationship and ability to get the best out of 1 player, but it doesn't exactly hurt his case. 


Allegedly

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almost 13 years ago

Essentially why Rafa was brought in to Chelsea in my opinion. Not entirely sure it worked for them.

 

That said I wouldn't be sad to see Merrick appointed. Could do a lot worse.



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almost 13 years ago

I'm not sure, but I think I heard somewhere that Merrick and Hernandez ended on a foul note?

Could be wrong though...

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almost 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:

C-Diddy wrote:

smittyz11 wrote:

smittyz11 wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

"The identity of the former Man U player is not known but he has apparently held coaching positions in the UK and abroad." D Richardson, NZ Herald. Bryan Robson coached Sheffield Utd, West Brom - and was Thailand manager 2009 - 2011


Robsons the only person I can think of that fits the bill as well... although I'm sure there are plenty of ex Man Utd players who have held "coaching" roles of some sort. would have to go through all the ex players back 30 years or so and see what happened to each of them.... any takers??? 
Berg?

true.. but I read it as coaching. Don't think it'd be either tbh. It'd be someone who played a couple of games for united and then moved on or something like that, before moving into coaching. not expecting a big name..or even a name I actually might remember tbh. I'd love to be proved wrong though 

 

Ole Gunnar Solksjaer...

Or maybe even Jesper Olsen who is Asst Manager at the Jam Tards?



Jesper Olsen has never coached in the UK though.

Bryan Robson, Henning Berg and Ole Gunnar Solksjaer are the obvious ones I can think of.

Steve Coppell? Currently Director of Football at Crawley Town but he's never coached outside the UK as far as I know.

After a wee bit of internet googling I came up with this list:

Michael Appleton, Steve Bruce, Steve Coppell, George Graham, Stewart Houston, Mark Hughes, Paul Ince, Joe Jordan, Roy Keane, Brian Kidd,  Bryan Robson, Gordon Strachan, Ray Wilkins, Peter Beardsley, Lou Macari.

Only Bryan Robson has "International" managerial experience...

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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almost 13 years ago


Roy Keane, as player coach

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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almost 13 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:
After a wee bit of internet googling I came up with this list:

Michael Appleton, Steve Bruce, Steve Coppell, George Graham, Stewart Houston, Mark Hughes, Paul Ince, Joe Jordan, Roy Keane, Brian Kidd,  Bryan Robson, Gordon Strachan, Ray Wilkins, Peter Beardsley, Lou Macari.

Only Bryan Robson has "International" managerial experience...

As I said earlier, also Henning Berg. Managed 2 Clubs in Norway and 1 in England. Not that I want him.
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almost 13 years ago

dunnix wrote:

I'm not sure, but I think I heard somewhere that Merrick and Hernandez ended on a foul note?

Could be wrong though...


This is what I thought as well......


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almost 13 years ago

dunnix wrote:

I'm not sure, but I think I heard somewhere that Merrick and Hernandez ended on a foul note?

Merrick wouldn't shout Hernandez KFC?

Founder

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almost 13 years ago

 Yeah, there was something about that sour note in the Melbourne media at the time - but my gut feeling (pardon the pun!!) about Hernandez is that he'd get past his use-by date quicker than Merrick would, assuming Ernie would be considered at all (WelNix, are you reading this?).

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 13 years ago

 ... and that "gut feeling" brings me to consider that Hernandez went to play in India, where "Life of Pi" was partially filmed....

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 13 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

 ... and that "gut feeling" brings me to consider that Hernandez went to play in India, where "Life of Pi" was partially filmed....


Yep - you'd need 3-D glasses:

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 13 years ago

It's going to be Robson isn't it?  He's completely discredited in England and has already shown willingness to travel by going to Asia.  I wouldn't favour that as an appointment personally, I don't see what the upside is.

Normo's coming home

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almost 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

It's going to be Robson isn't it?  He's completely discredited in England and has already shown willingness to travel by going to Asia.  I wouldn't favour that as an appointment personally, I don't see what the upside is.

Wiki says he's currently a global ambassador with Man U. I can't see him giving up that role, practically a job for life, a nice wage surely on par with what he'd get with us. Would you give that up?

 

The only upside would be the media coverage, then the downside with the fall out as the Dominion start going on about how we've fired 2 coaches, (3 if you count Greenie), in under a year as Robson crashes and burns.

 

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almost 13 years ago

ForteanTimes wrote:

Wiki says he's currently a global ambassador with Man U. I can't see him giving up that role, practically a job for life, a nice wage surely on par with what he'd get with us. Would you give that up?


Give up a backroom bore to get back into football? I can see the appeal. 


I'm not quite sure what people expect from Welnix. Just dismissing people like Hugo Sanchez and Bryan Robson seems pretty odd to me. I am surprised as hell that people like that are rumored to have applied. Whoever we get is going to be a risk. At least people like them will be able to teach our players things. In high level european leagues it is more of a management role but in the a-league the coaching/management balance is much more even. I would be quite enthused if Robson got the job.

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rjmiller wrote:

ForteanTimes wrote:

Wiki says he's currently a global ambassador with Man U. I can't see him giving up that role, practically a job for life, a nice wage surely on par with what he'd get with us. Would you give that up?


Give up a backroom bore to get back into football? I can see the appeal. 


I'm not quite sure what people expect from Welnix. Just dismissing people like Hugo Sanchez and Bryan Robson seems pretty odd to me. I am surprised as hell that people like that are rumored to have applied. Whoever we get is going to be a risk. At least people like them will be able to teach our players things. In high level european leagues it is more of a management role but in the a-league the coaching/management balance is much more even. I would be quite enthused if Robson got the job.

But why are you enthused? Because its 'Bryan Robson'? Great footballer, his record as a coach is not so flash.

I ask you, if you took his coaching record, and give it to a different person not named Bryan Robson, would you be equally as enthused?

 

I want the Phoenix to make the choice on the best person for the job, not the best name for the job. Without knowing the candidates and if in fact Robson is or is not one, he may well be the best coach for the job. Without knowing whom the candidates are though, I guess ultimately, we are going to have to assume that the person that gets the job IS the best person for the job.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

rjmiller wrote:

ForteanTimes wrote:

Wiki says he's currently a global ambassador with Man U. I can't see him giving up that role, practically a job for life, a nice wage surely on par with what he'd get with us. Would you give that up?


Give up a backroom bore to get back into football? I can see the appeal. 


I'm not quite sure what people expect from Welnix. Just dismissing people like Hugo Sanchez and Bryan Robson seems pretty odd to me. I am surprised as hell that people like that are rumored to have applied. Whoever we get is going to be a risk. At least people like them will be able to teach our players things. In high level european leagues it is more of a management role but in the a-league the coaching/management balance is much more even. I would be quite enthused if Robson got the job.

But why are you enthused? Because its 'Bryan Robson'? Great footballer, his record as a coach is not so flash.

I ask you, if you took his coaching record, and give it to a different person not named Bryan Robson, would you be equally as enthused?

 

I want the Phoenix to make the choice on the best person for the job, not the best name for the job.

Someone who has twice taken a Championship team to the Premiership and made multiple FA and league cup finals with unfancied teams? Yes. And I wouldn't dismiss his playing career as irrelevant, as I mentioned coaching is much more important in the a-league than it is in the championship or premiership. I wouldn't have believed it possible we were going to get someone as experienced as Bryan Robson.
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almost 13 years ago

In regards to Bryan Robson. He is still very well respected by players which could mean we could get some very good players reaching the end of their careers. His coaching career as had some ups and downs. At Middlesbrough he made the League cup and FA cup Final in the same season however they got relegated. He was also the manager at West Brom when they went from bottom of the table at christmas to staying up. The first team to do it in the Premier League Era. On another down side he is known for handling difficult yet talented players badly which may not be an issue at the Nix as we don't have that kind of player currently at the club.

Saying all that I highly doubt he would be one of the guys on the list.

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