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Fever Zone performance v Heart

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Tegal wrote:


Or we could just let people bring drums in as long as it isn't pissing anyone off. I remember them being quite cool, and didn't in any way drown chanting out - so no need to feel threatened guys.
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You obviously wouldn't have them right next to groups of people as that probably would get a bit much for them. But I'm sure you could have an area where a couple of drums could go for it. Perhaps even the other end of the stadium to the yellow fever zone.


Someone said they were around Aisle 30 - that's quite far away from the FZ.

I noticed them at one of the earlier matches but not at all at the last one.

Not my cup of tea but each to their own. End of the day I go to watch the game and sidle up to the FZ to join in the English-style thing, while wearing stripey (club colours) with or without novelty breasts.

Flags, flares, drums, vuvus, kazoos - all good.

Ukeleles not so much.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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Tegal wrote:


Or we could just let people bring drums in as long as it isn't pissing anyone off. I remember them being quite cool, and didn't in any way drown chanting out - so no need to feel threatened guys.
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You obviously wouldn't have them right next to groups of people as that probably would get a bit much for them. But I'm sure you could have an area where a couple of drums could go for it. Perhaps even the other end of the stadium to the yellow fever zone.


Pretty sensible stuff. My own ideal would be to work the drums in with the chants like happens in brazil - helps wider groups keep time and sounds so strong together. A few of us did that with the brazilian fans at the pub they used for the world cup viewing. But i can't see that happening at the stadium. i like 'singing' (if you can call it that) hard in the chants whatever anyway.Gordinho2012-02-03 00:58:09
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Could you try and drum out the crowd when we are doing "Stand up for the Phoenix"?

"Phoenix till they lose"

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Gordinho wrote:
I've been coming to games since the start - many of which involved playing with Wellington Batucada in the earlier days - the big drumming group - I'm sure you used to notice us. I come to every nix game I can and am a long-term keen Phoenix fan anyway(and no - I don't bring a drum any more).

But it may be news to some of you that the vast majority of face-to-face feedback we used to get from people in the stadium, after games and generally around Wellington as well was that they really liked the drums at the games and that that they added heaops to the atmosphere. There was also a Yellow Fever poll about it a few years back in which the clear majority of respondents actually voted for the option that controlled,game-related and crowd-related use of drums was OK. I also know plenty of regulars who liked it as well. The only negative feedback we ever really got was from some people on these forums.

Many of these people who were so keen to tell us they liked what we were doing are actually some of those 'casual' fans you're talking about. And there were also plenty of more regular ones as well. These are the people the club needs to retain or get back in so there are more bums on seats in the future. We all know the Phoenix needs that.

Yellow Fever and its opinion leaders seem to be happy to run an exclusively English style chant-only fan scene. That is fine and I always join in myself (its great) but I think its important to acknowledge that its not everything to everyone. If you - as Phoenix fans - want to see support growing for the Phoenix you'll have to be a bit more open-minded and supportive about what the wider potential audience might like. It is basically been some Yellow Fever complaints about drums that contribute to the stifling of other forms of support - Red Badge and Stadium management etc respond to that. From my experience of people's feedback its possibly a pretty negative outcome for growing wider fan support for the club. Maybe some thought could be given to being a bit more positive and supportive about the wider fan base. That is the sort of constructive thing people like Gareth Morgan will be looking for.

Food for thought anyway.

Nice post. I wouldn't lobby for drums but I can't see why it couldn't be made to work.

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Junior82 wrote:
On a 5% note. If Welnix and the club can successfully attract 10-15k on a regular basis we might well have two or three supporter groups to cater for the English mob, the Euros and the Latins.

Wouldn't that be something?

 
Yep. So much this.
 
The day we have regular crowds big enough to support a full Fever Zone and a Full "Thordonside" (perhaps containing flags, banners and drums and other musical instruments, perhaps full of latin flare and good vibes) that sing and chant back and forth at each other, trying to out do each other, and smiling and grinning at the friendly rivalry... all with the aim of supporting the team and making Phoenix games one of the MUST SEE things that Wellington has to offer...
 
Well that'd be bloody marvelous. Bring it on, I say.
 
I love the fever zone. I don't want anything to erode it. But I would be willing to leave the Fever Zone and set out as part of an advance party to try and establish and build a Thorndonside group.
 
I don't suggest that to try and reduce the support in the Fever Zone at all. I don't suggest it because I am disatisfied with the Fever Zone in ANY way. I just see the western side of the stadium so sparesly filled and wish for a day when it was packed too...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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Jag wrote:
Maybe the "casual" fan's idea of atmosphere might involve a bit more than badly sung versions of "Stand Up For The Phoenix"?


I sat next to a couple on Sunday who were obviously newbies and overheard them talking.

Man: "How can they desecrate the music of The Village People like that?"

Woman: "I know. Horribly out of tune, isn't it"

Man: "Yes. Hard to believe when it was also such a massive hit for the Pet Shop Boys"

Woman: "And yet they've got Depeche Mode's Just Can't Get Enough spot on, so it's not like they don't appreciate mid-80's synth-pop"

Man: "Confusing isn't it. But I guess that's football fans for you - a bit thick"

Woman: "Yes, and they smell. I wish they'd put their shirts back on"

Man: "You know what would be good though - drums!"
terminator_x2012-02-03 08:46:08

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bwtcf wrote:
I don't suggest it because I am disatisfied with the Fever Zone in ANY way. I just see the western side of the stadium so sparesly filled and wish for a day when it was packed too...

I admire and love your work but I have slight resevations about populating the Thorndon side. Is that the dark shaded side where Danirl Fan club is/was?

Isn't the reason that side of the ground is "empty" that we wish to make a good impression on TV regarding crowds?

I see the merit behind doing this - just look at No Fans United. An empty looking stadium on TV surely makes casuals less enthused about going themselves? And I know you wouldn't be cannabilising the crowd to join the Thorndon side but every bit counts on the "TV Camera side" when it comes to impression?

My initial thoughts anyway.

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ahmad wrote:
I admire and love your work but I have slight resevations about populating the Thorndon side. Is that the dark shaded side where Daniel Fan club is/was? [/quote]
 
Yes.

If our crowds settle at 6,000 - 8,000 I would not consider it. As you say, better to keep together, for the TV cameras, and for warmth.
 
If they settle at 13,000 - 16,000 then I think there's an opportunity.
 
That's why I said:
 
[quote]The day we have regular crowds big enough to support a full Fever Zone and a Full "Thordonside"
bwtcf2012-02-03 09:10:26

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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Remember that idea of unallocated seating for multi-trip pass holders?

Could that "zone" of unallocated seating be at the far corner (dunno what aisle but where Leo provided the corner for Fallon ^_^

And could you base yourself there/thereabouts to further create atmosphere?

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yep.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can I just point out that the fever ringleaders have never taken any action to suppress or ban any type of support as long as it ticks the boxes of the FFA and stadium rules.
 
We are WAY to lazy to try and enforce any opinion on how people support the team.
 
Personally I love the drums but prefer to see them a little away from the zone purely because it means they don't clash with what people in the Fever Zone are doing (We don't advocate numpties with megaphones - we have a no Llujbo policy).
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
For visual purposes ie TV would not a "Cruiseliner Side" be better ie North Eastern Corner?
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Drums on the Area between gates and Stadium entrance = fantastic especially with hot Latina's swinging their booty! 
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thefever wrote:
Can I just point out that the fever ringleaders have never taken any action to suppress or ban any type of support as long as it ticks the boxes of the FFA and stadium rules.
 
We are WAY to lazy to try and enforce any opinion on how people support the team.
 
Personally I love the drums but prefer to see them a little away from the zone purely because it means they don't clash with what people in the Fever Zone are doing (We don't advocate numpties with megaphones - we have a no Llujbo policy).
How many personalities does the fever have?
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sthn.jeff wrote:
For visual purposes ie TV would not a "Cruiseliner Side" be better ie North Eastern Corner?
 
Sure.I did think about that. I like the idea of being right next to the away supporters area too.
 
However there do seem to be a high number of peopel already resident in that area. They might not appreciate being 'taken over'...

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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bwtcf wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:
For visual purposes ie TV would not a "Cruiseliner Side" be better ie North Eastern Corner?
 
Sure.I did think about that. I like the idea of being right next to the away supporters area too.
 
However there do seem to be a high number of peopel already resident in that area. They might not appreciate being 'taken over'...
 
Well the Welnix were not opposed to a "takeover" so what the hell!  
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Ard Righ wrote:
Jag wrote:
Didn't say it should be in the Fever Zone. If somebody was banging a drum or playing a trumpet next to me when I was in there, I'd twat them.


Right, so it's ok to have drums at the stadium where people might be sitting, as long as they're not next to you... or we could not have drums, like most of the last two seasons, and not be an issue anyway.
 
Yes. I don't particularly want drums next to me but, unlike your good self, I'm not suggesting that anyone who wants to bring a drum to the game should be shot. Unlike yourself, I'm not saying "I don't like it, so no-one else should".
 
If there is a designated area in the ground where people can play musical instruments, dress up as chickens, do whatever that they feel constitutres an atmosphere for them, then they should be allowed to do it.
 
Don't think this is the ''all or nothing" situation that you'd like it to be

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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terminator_x wrote:
Jag wrote:
Maybe the "casual" fan's idea of atmosphere might involve a bit more than badly sung versions of "Stand Up For The Phoenix"?


I sat next to a couple on Sunday who were obviously newbies and overheard them talking.

Man: "How can they desecrate the music of The Village People like that?"

Woman: "I know. Horribly out of tune, isn't it"

Man: "Yes. Hard to believe when it was also such a massive hit for the Pet Shop Boys"

Woman: "And yet they've got Depeche Mode's Just Can't Get Enough spot on, so it's not like they don't appreciate mid-80's synth-pop"

Man: "Confusing isn't it. But I guess that's football fans for you - a bit thick"

Woman: "Yes, and they smell. I wish they'd put their shirts back on"

Man: "You know what would be good though - drums!"
 
   

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Gordinho wrote:


Pretty sensible stuff. My own ideal would be to work the drums in with the chants like happens in brazil - helps wider groups keep time and sounds so strong together.


Fully agree with this - it's a very common sight to games in both South America and Europe, and it's absolutely fantastic.

But I'm guessing a few people on here have never experienced an atmosphere like that, and see drums as distinctly unfootball-like.el grapadura2012-02-03 10:52:02
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A few people on here seem to think that the only country in the world where football is played is Yorkshire.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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2ndBest wrote:
How many personalities does the fever have?
 
Two.  Angry and Fat.
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ahmad wrote:
Oceanic6 wrote:
Question, if you see another person on the street (who you don't know) wearing a YF shirt or nix gear, do you smile/acknowledge them or ignore/pretend you didn't see them?

Can I ask why you are asking? Then I'll tell you something.



I always get ignored by other nix/yf atired folk.  I even try make eye contact so I can smile or say 'go nix'.  But sadly this never happens.  It doesn't hurt to be more approachable/friendly esp for new fans of the team.
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Anyway, blah blah drums blah flags blah blah banners blah blah.

What this club needs is more Phoenix City.

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el grapadura wrote:
Gordinho wrote:


Pretty sensible stuff. My own ideal would be to work the drums in with the chants like happens in brazil - helps wider groups keep time and sounds so strong together.


Fully agree with this - it's a very common sight to games in both South America and Europe, and it's absolutely fantastic.

But I'm guessing a few people on here have never experienced an atmosphere like that, and see drums as distinctly unfootball-like.


Batucada group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALeague drum thumper

Having been to a Brisbane home game where the half-dozen drums in the crowd were the loudest thing I could hear from the Roar fans the entire game, I wait to see this Latino atmosphere show-up

I remain sceptical it will happen at RoF.Ard Righ2012-02-03 11:16:39
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We had an awesome group of Chilean flag bedecked, big drum thumping, tambourine playing, marracca shaking, dancing and singing fans of Patricio Almeldra at the Kingz games. They were great.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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Well, we are talking about people who can't even get the Stand up tune right.

In all honesty, every time a chant other than Oh Wellington gets taken up is win for the zone.
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Oceanic6 wrote:
ahmad wrote:
Oceanic6 wrote:
Question, if you see another person on the street (who you don't know) wearing a YF shirt or nix gear, do you smile/acknowledge them or ignore/pretend you didn't see them?
Can I ask why you are asking? Then I'll tell you something.
I always get ignored by other nix/yf atired folk.� I even try make eye contact so I can smile or say 'go nix'.� But sadly this never happens.� It doesn't hurt to be more approachable/friendly esp for new fans of the team.

THIS.

I wanted you to answer first before telling you about my Dunedin experiences. Both games there were people walking in the street in Nix/YF clothing. I was also. I am guessing that (especially in August before the YF southern chapter tee was sold) that many I saw were Wellingtonians.

Sadly hardly any returned eye contact/smiles/acknowledgement.

Definitely something I would love to see change (not accusing anyone of anything as they may well have been "casuals" but it's a learning point for all of us as "ambassadors" even if we don't see ourselves as one.

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I always smile at people when I am in Nix gear. Not just other ones wearing Nix gear... everyone I see on the street. But ESPECIALLY other peopel in Nix gear. But actually, I classify smiling at them as LESS important than smiling at and possibly starting a conversation with people NOT in Nix gear. My reasoning being that those already in Nix gear already have the bug... the muftys who don't yet know they are supposed to wear Nix gear on Fever Friday are the real targets.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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I remember season one I couldn't wear nix gear out without getting yelled at by some random on the street (most commonly who are ya). It got f**king annoying.

Allegedly

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Or "Wehey!..... Phoenix"
 
 
Also, I would rather moments of silence than hear "Oh Wellington" over and over again.
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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I actually think we are doing "o Wellington" less and less. Especially in that last game.

Allegedly

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
We're Waterloo, We're Waterloo, We're Waterloo over here (Aisle 22-23)

We're Aotea, we're Aotea, We're Aotea over here (Aisle 31-32)

(An if there's a 16K+ crowd)
We're Thorndon, We're Thorndon, We're Thorndon over here! (Aisle 14-15)

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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ginger_eejit wrote:
We're Waterloo, We're Waterloo, We're Waterloo over here (Aisle 22-23)

We're Aotea, we're Aotea, We're Aotea over here (Aisle 31-32)

(An if there's a 16K+ crowd)
We're Thorndon, We're Thorndon, We're Thorndon over here! (Aisle 14-15)
 
As opposed to at Firhill, where it's "I'm Frank McDonald over here", "I'm Alex McGlumpher over here" etc

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Just sing Dududududurante for 90 mins, that chant/sing along sounds awesome

You'll never beat The Salmon!

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ashby wrote:
Just sing Dududududurante for 90 mins, that chant/sing along sounds awesome


Its a winner for sure!
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ashby wrote:
Just sing Dududududurante for 90 mins, that chant/sing along sounds awesome
 
 
That's the plan in Melbourne  

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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