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BREAKING NEWS… yet to be officially confirmed, but just coming in on Twitter …

* FFA Cup will commence in July 2014
* 32 teams will participate: 9 ALeague teams (NIX not included) & 23 NPL teams
* The 2014 FFA cup Final will be in December to avoid a clash with the 2015 Asian Cup (thereafter, I presume, the Final will be on Australia Day)
* In 2015, the FFA Cup will be further expanded to include more teams

So the Nix cant play in anything? surely being under the jurisdiction of the australian FA means the nix are eligible!

Given that this thread is about a competition that specifically excludes the Phoenix, why post it under "Wellington Phoenix Discussion"?

cos it directly affects us, that is a shite decision......

Been signalled for ages that we wouldn't be involved. 

Wasn't the whole idea that the FFA cup was to exclude the phoenix and was to be held during FIFA windows, so that the nix could have the opportunity to have their all whites released with minimal disruption? This news doesn't sound surprising at all.

Does anyone know if the winner gets an ACL spot or qualifying spot? Might explain why we've been left out

all this is heading towards is a promotion/relegation format with the a-league and the NPL which the nix just can't be part of......time for NZ to move into asia or some sort of split to occur to get rid of the oceania group altogether.

Not worth getting upset over

Unworkable for us to be included - can't have some team from local perth league having to fly to wellingon

In other news, Aussie teams still ineligible to enter Chatham Cup. RBB to stage protest. Rest of Aussie not too bothered.

Just a quick question kind of related. Are our players registered with Football Australia or New Zealand Football?

I believe they are Australian registered players.

Blew.2 is correct.

How's about this for an annual idea: home-and-away clashes between the Nix and the Chatham Cup winners?

Re the Asian / Oceania points above... you should remember Oceania was only created by  corrupt officials who ran Australian Football at the time...   the rest of the football worlds thinks it's a joke ... Finally Frank Lowy will not be around forever and he is the person who fights tooth and nail for your continued inclusion .... one more finally the financial rewards of being in Asian are megga ...

How many times have you made that post now? 

Tegal

About once a year ... most of the time posters attack me [aside from the smart and wise ones who agree with me] ... honestly whatever benefits of being a whale in a bathtub are ... the benefits of being a tadpole in a ocean are better ...

Look at the ASEAN site alone and think just the business coming out of this leaves rugby dead in the water.. http://www.aseanfootball.org/v2/

Remember Australia is now a full member of the above ... http://www.insideworldfootball.com/world-football/asia/12859-aff-to-bring-in-australia-and-announces-super-league-criteria

Besides the Man U match .. Australia is also involved in the East Asian Cup today ... China, Japan, Korea, .. OMG the business and government meetings... 

But ya T agree maybe after 6 or 7 maybe 8 times its time to stop talking about it... 

Back on topic please, otherwise I'll lock this up as this Oceania discussion doesn't belong in the Phoenix forum.

"...As long as we pay for it"

It generally comes down to this. Most of these issues do. And some outside-of-the-box thinking...with a bit of high level negotiating to boot.

easy peasy...;-).

I don't see some of the above mentioned  issues as insurmountable but certainly would require massive shifts for all parties concerned. Short term in FIFA windows ...yes with our AW squad members away means the Nix will benefit. But then the opportunity to have the rest of the Nix squad  involved in another meaningful competition would be good longer term too. Yes eligibility rules with AFC oversight are a major hurdle.

How to meet the costs of doing this...?  Some high level, creative sponsorships for the Nix involving airline, accommodation/ Aussie base and others to meet the costs for starters.

 For instance, a joint venture  for the Nix and NZ Football ..and maybe even Oceania Football ...to contract with NSW accomodation and facilities providors to house or base the Nix, and potentially an NYL team, W League Team....during their successive away games, (as  Phoenix have done in the last couple of seasons.)  Visiting age group NZ and Island Nation teams could also benefit for appropriate international matches against Aussie teams and maybe Asian Nations.Split the costs appropriately according to needs. Hello FIFA?

If they ever did get promotion/relegation sorted the NPL is going to need a huge investment from the FFA short term. It will require a major transformation to establish its own eco-system of high value sponsorships and value as a more attractive marketable product in its own right in the longer term and, even with that, selling the concept to long suffering A League Franchise owners is  um ..challenging.

 However,the nature of promotion/ relegation can create compelling drama and audience focal points across two leagues and at both ends of the major competition..surely a more marketable proposition, meaning higher value media deals in time and even better payouts for the franchises... if done right.

 Now, there's the rub....

EDIT ...sorry Patrick478. No disrespect to You .I took a bit of time with this and of course the topic doesn't exist in isolation, with so many other interwoven topics straddling it.

Just checking older reports and they mention 700 Aussie clubs taking part with qualifying rounds and later entry for A-League clubs:

April 2013: http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/news/1147262/ffa-cup-to-commence-in-2014

"The much-anticipated knockout tournament, based on England's FA Cup, will feature around 700 teams across Australia with the A-League sides to join in September and October at the same time as their season starts.

Gallop said the FFA Cup is a priority for his administration.

"We will move to an FFA Cup and I would expect it to start in 2014," Gallop said.

"It will start around this time of the year and the A-League clubs will come in around September and October to coincide with the start of the A-League season.

"The grand plan is to hold an Australia Day grand final of the FFA Cup."

However, that would clash with the 2015 AFC Asian Cup semi-final scheduled for Sydney that year.

Gallop said he had fast-tracked planning on the tournament when he took over as FFA CEO in November.

"There are people at the FFA working on it now," he said.

This is year one .. DG has said publicly in recent forums it will be 800 teams ... I think whoever leaked the tweet is being fitted for their cement shoes and prepared for a harbour crossing .. FFA will make a huge thing of this my guess is they want the news cycle timing correct so things are being kept under wraps as much as possible .... my understanding and it's not official just what I have read is the final plan is for a 800 team cup style with the final played on Australia day ... this year is a suck and see and keep costs down...

RedGed

Agree your post above .... and I copy the following post [below] from a SBS poster IMO it best shows how many football folk feel / sorta demand from our media .... today if you attack football in the Australia media by heavens there is a reaction and a growing confidence in both football as a sport and it's place in the Australian cultural landscape and sporting landscape ... This has been ill-measurably helped by Government, Business  and Media because of our Asian connection / membership...

You cannot separate the Nix's and that the  A-League plays in Asia ....   as RedGed says these things are inter woven ... the world is not the same any-more and within Asia, Australia is somewhat a minnow .... so posts like this is not a competition the Nix's are in so move it and lets pretend it's got nothing to do with football in NZ, or the Nix, ignore the bleeding obvious you are playing in an Asian competition under Asian rules ...

Anyway back to my SBS poster ... maybe but not often do I see a post like this on YF forums ... but it is quite common on Australian forums ... why am I posting it because this is where football is today in Australia and it aggressively wants to expand ... HHHMMM What does a post like this and others mean?? , well it means kinda demanding that all teams and associations  and fans help with the growth ... staying or hiding [as it is seen from an Asian perspective] in Oceania does not help your cause in staying long term in the A-League ... I guess even the most ANGLO rugby media type would acknowledge we are entering the Asian century...  

The post ... as I said typical today ... made in response to  DG announcing the Socceroos where Australia's biggest and best sporting brand ..... no one in the media anywhere has challenged him ...

 """"From a football lovers perspective the past 20 years has been a beautiful time in Australia. It's been a continual upward trajectory. Yes there were some tragedies along the way, like the loss to Iran, the loss to Uruguay, the disbanding of the old NSL and the disappearance of some clubs. But the positive growth has far outweighed the negative. The emergence as firstly the number 1 junior sport, now becoming the largest participation total in all age groups, the growing success overseas of our players, the growing strength of the Soccceroos, the birth and continued growth of the A-League, entry into the AFC and all the benefits that come with that, the exponential financial growth of the game, the boom in women's participation and the emergence of the W-League, the technical improvement in our youth players and domestic coaches, improved domestic facilities, increased media exposure....and importantly as Gallop points out....enormous room for further growth. Do Aussie Rules and Rugby League really stand a chance in the long term ? Of course they don't."""

Some clubs from New Caledonia compete in the French FA cup, and they're not UEFA registered players either.

Welsh clubs?

Yeah terrible example. The equivalent would be ASBP clubs not playing in the FFA cup. We're talking about the nix who do compete in the A league so a more sensible comparison would be welsh clubs that do play in English leagues (much like the Phoenix), and they do compete in the FA cup. There are also welsh clubs who play in a welsh league, who do not play in the FA cup (much like the ASBP clubs). 

I don't feel aggrieved by this in the slightest. Can completely understand why it's an Australia-only competition.

+1

yep you agreed to it ,  that's why ...