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Home games (away) - the rules?

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djtim3000 wrote:
Paulinho wrote:
Colvinator wrote:
 
Over simplistic. Wellington team = play in Wellington. It would be good if people could look at the bigger picture. I support the Phoenix and also New Zealand Football. Having one game a year in another city in the middle of the season may well be good for both. I note the All Whites are playing Serbia in a neutral venue for World Cup preparation. Different example, but shows the Phoenix aren't the only ones not following simplistic notions all the time.
 
I find it a bit off to call the Phoenix a "travelling circus". That's not what they are at all, and having a game in another New Zealand city once a year wouldn't make them so. As far as the numbers go, well I'll have to leave that up to the Phoenix to do their own research, but I don't find it unlikely that Christchurch could keep getting good crowds.
 
One game in another city shouldn't isolate the fan base. But if fans are so fickle that they are going to drop their support because of that, well they can't be particularly big fans if they can't support the guys who have given us this club to do what they need to make it a success.
 
Colvinator you really are an intelligent man. I have been reading your comments in this thread and agree with them wholeheartedly. The other thing I would add is that going away to other places is FUN for fans, sure Palmy wasn't everyone's cup of tea but Christchurch was an absolute blast for those who went. Such a great experience.
 
 


I gave up on this debate a while ago but I agree, Colvinator seems to be on the same page as I was in my rants earlier in the thread. Its a shame that the one-eyed (though obviously very loyal - and that isn't a bad thing at all) supporters can't see the big picture and like to over simplify the complex issues surrounding the Nix in the HAL.
 
Why does disagreeing with you automatically make me one eyed?

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ballane wrote:
Colvinator wrote:

Over simplistic. Wellington team = play in Wellington. It would be good if people could look at the bigger picture. I support the Phoenix and also New Zealand Football. Having one game a year in another city in the middle of the season may well be good for both. I note the All Whites are playing Serbia in a neutral venue for World Cup preparation. Different example, but shows the Phoenix aren't the only ones not following simplistic notions all the time.
 
I find it a bit off to call the Phoenix a "travelling circus". That's not what they are at all, and having a game in another New Zealand city once a year wouldn't make them so. As far as the numbers go, well I'll have to leave that up to the Phoenix to do their own research, but I don't find it unlikely that Christchurch could keep getting good crowds.
 
One game in another city shouldn't isolate the fan base. But if fans are so fickle that they are going to drop their support because of that, well they can't be particularly big fans if they can't support the guys who have given us this club to do what they need to make it a success.
Yeah but the game wasnt in the middle of the season it was at the end of, and an important game in our push to the semis.Have serious doubts that the Phoenix would attract those numbers if it was played down there when rugby is being played.

I dont object to one game maybe being played away but will continue to voice my concern at the club talking about taking others away.As for being fickle im bloody sure my family wish i was,it would then mean they could schedule family functions on days the Phoenix play and i wouldnt spend so much money on Phoenix associated goods.Some of us brought into this club before we even had a squad and have continued to do so,however  this talk of taking other games away will have many questioning their dedication.


Why? We're not all f**ken rugby heads you know, personally I can't stand it. The bigger problem I see down here is turning these so called 'die hard Perennial strugglers Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea/Man U/Villa fans' into Phoenix fans. (Which I think a fair few did on Saturday )
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Tony P on the radio yesterday said he wouldn't rule out another game outside Wellington but that the club was conscious that they "needed to look after their season ticket holders first and foremost".
 
Rezpekt.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Tegal wrote:
djtim3000 wrote:


I gave up on this debate a while ago but I agree, Colvinator seems to be on the same page as I was in my rants earlier in the thread. Its a shame that the one-eyed (though obviously very loyal - and that isn't a bad thing at all) supporters can't see the big picture and like to over simplify the complex issues surrounding the Nix in the HAL.
 
Why does disagreeing with you automatically make me one eyed?


It doesn't, it's the inability to see or acknowledge the bigger picture (or the lack of depth-perception) that I was referring to people being one-eyed - which your post seems to highlight quite nicely.
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The problem, however, is that there is a division on here as to what the true 'big picture' really is.
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^^ This.
 
My view of the 'bigger picture' seems to differ from a few on here. My basic feeling is that Terry S didn't leap out of the barber's chair and empty his wallet to buy the All Whites.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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djtim3000 wrote:
Tegal wrote:
djtim3000 wrote:


I gave up on this debate a while ago but I agree, Colvinator seems to be on the same page as I was in my rants earlier in the thread. Its a shame that the one-eyed (though obviously very loyal - and that isn't a bad thing at all) supporters can't see the big picture and like to over simplify the complex issues surrounding the Nix in the HAL.
 
Why does disagreeing with you automatically make me one eyed?


It doesn't, it's the inability to see or acknowledge the bigger picture (or the lack of depth-perception) that I was referring to people being one-eyed - which your post seems to highlight quite nicely.
 
What bigger picture? There is no bigger picture. We are a Wellington based club. Our home games should be played in our city, and on our turf, at all cost.
 
The fact that home games were played away this season due to apparantly unavoidable conflicts, and that people showed up to those fixtures, does not entitle either the stadiums that hosted those games or the people who attended them to any expectation of any future commitment to do the same again.
 
Don't get me wrong though, I think it's great that people outside Wellington choose to support the Phoenix, but the suggestion that we should feel obliged to whore our team out to the rest of the country based on spurious claims of our supposed responsiblities to football in this country really gets on my nerves.
 
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Hard to argue with that really.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Milky Pisswit wrote:
djtim3000 wrote:
Tegal wrote:
djtim3000 wrote:


I gave up on this debate a while ago but I agree, Colvinator seems to be on the same page as I was in my rants earlier in the thread. Its a shame that the one-eyed (though obviously very loyal - and that isn't a bad thing at all) supporters can't see the big picture and like to over simplify the complex issues surrounding the Nix in the HAL.
 
Why does disagreeing with you automatically make me one eyed?


It doesn't, it's the inability to see or acknowledge the bigger picture (or the lack of depth-perception) that I was referring to people being one-eyed - which your post seems to highlight quite nicely.
 
What bigger picture? There is no bigger picture. We are a Wellington based club. Our home games should be played in our city, and on our turf, at all cost.
 
The fact that home games were played away this season due to apparantly unavoidable conflicts, and that people showed up to those fixtures, does not entitle either the stadiums that hosted those games or the people who attended them to any expectation of any future commitment to do the same again.
 
Don't get me wrong though, I think it's great that people outside Wellington choose to support the Phoenix, but the suggestion that we should feel obliged to whore our team out to the rest of the country based on spurious claims of our supposed responsiblities to football in this country really gets on my nerves.
 
 
Now why couldn't I have posted that! Spot on.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Milky Pisswit wrote:
What bigger picture? There is no bigger picture. We are a Wellington based club. Our home games should be played in our city, and on our turf, at all cost.
 
The fact that home games were played away this season due to apparantly unavoidable conflicts, and that people showed up to those fixtures, does not entitle either the stadiums that hosted those games or the people who attended them to any expectation of any future commitment to do the same again.
 
Don't get me wrong though, I think it's great that people outside Wellington choose to support the Phoenix, but the suggestion that we should feel obliged to whore our team out to the rest of the country based on spurious claims of our supposed responsiblities to football in this country really gets on my nerves.
 
I don't think anyone does expect the phoenix to play here again, to be honest I don't think anyone expected them to come here in the first place. You just need to understand how grateful we Phoenix fans are down this way that it did happen.

You're right, the Phoenix has no responsibility to this country at all, however it does have fanatical support outside of Wellington.


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fanatical support outside wellington is awesome, and I'm sure the nix exec appreciate it....still as a season ticket holder I want all next season's home games at the RoF....no disrespect to any non welly fans - its just personal preference. I'm sure the players and management agree, one less flight or trip[ has to be beneficial given we travel the farthest of any of the a-lewague clubs - bar perth i expect.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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timmymadden wrote:
Milky Pisswit wrote:
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I don't think anyone does expect the phoenix to play here again, to be honest I don't think anyone expected them to come here in the first place. You just need to understand how grateful we Phoenix fans are down this way that it did happen.

You're right, the Phoenix has no responsibility to this country at all, however it does have fanatical support outside of Wellington.
 
Yup, and as previously stated, I think that the fact that we havve so much support throughout the country is absolutely, 100% awesome. The number that showed up in Chch is testament to that, and I thought it was fantastic that that many people dropped the traditional city rivalries and got in behind the boys.
 
I really don't want to take anything away from that, but, on the other hand, I really, really, really don't want it to become a regular occurance for reasons already pointed out.
 
 
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Milky Pisswit wrote:
djtim3000 wrote:
Tegal wrote:
djtim3000 wrote:


I gave up on this debate a while ago but I agree, Colvinator seems to be on the same page as I was in my rants earlier in the thread. Its a shame that the one-eyed (though obviously very loyal - and that isn't a bad thing at all) supporters can't see the big picture and like to over simplify the complex issues surrounding the Nix in the HAL.
 
Why does disagreeing with you automatically make me one eyed?


It doesn't, it's the inability to see or acknowledge the bigger picture (or the lack of depth-perception) that I was referring to people being one-eyed - which your post seems to highlight quite nicely.
 
What bigger picture? There is no bigger picture. We are a Wellington based club. Our home games should be played in our city, and on our turf, at all cost.
 
The fact that home games were played away this season due to apparantly unavoidable conflicts, and that people showed up to those fixtures, does not entitle either the stadiums that hosted those games or the people who attended them to any expectation of any future commitment to do the same again.
 
Don't get me wrong though, I think it's great that people outside Wellington choose to support the Phoenix, but the suggestion that we should feel obliged to whore our team out to the rest of the country based on spurious claims of our supposed responsiblities to football in this country really gets on my nerves.
 


*sigh* and again, now not only missing the bigger picture, but suggesting that there there isnt a a bigger picture and by extention that there doesnt exist a real world outside of "club and supporters (and thats all)". Of course in perfect world the Phoenix would always play in Wellington, would have an undeniable future and be 1st in the league - then we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Unfortunately the real world isn't so black and white with far more important and varied decisions having to be made by senior management in all businesses to survive in this real world (and yes of course the Nix are a business, first and foremost, just like most other pro sports teams).

I'm not saying screw the fans over, or play in another city just because - thats ridiculous, what I've been trying to say is given the precarious nature of where we stand with the AFC (highlighted by comments in many threads - including this one http://www.yellowfever.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11420) the Nix management should be first looking after the future of the club first, and the fans (unfortunately) second. I'm sure all you die-hard fans would not stop supporting the Nix just because they chose to play in a second city once in a while to boost support across NZ (and to win over hearts and minds within the AFC and FFA). As long, of course, as they were honest and up front about their reasoning.
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When have the AFC or the FFA or the Nix ever indicated that their (AFC's) antipathy to having an OFC national-based team in one of their national's competitions is going to be affected in any way by whether the Nix play all home games at home or play some away? There is no link between these issues and to try and link them is incredulous.
 
Further, the AFC's opposition also has nothing to do with how successful the Nix are or the state of the Nix's finances. The AFC have a conceptual issue with our presence.
 
Your "big picture" would appear to be made up of connecting dots that have no link.
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It's actually the "play somewhere else once in a while to boost support across NZ" line I'm not entirely convinced about. Maybe it's just me being dense, but I have serious doubts that, following the big crowd last weekend, the crowd at the next game in Wellington is going to be massively increased by all these new found supporters from Christchurch who have 'discovered' the Phoenix and will now make the trip to Wellington to see the game. 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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el grapadura wrote:
The problem, however, is that there is a division on here as to what the true 'big picture' really is.

My 10cents. To sustain a professional football team in Wellington.
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Jag wrote:
It's actually the "play somewhere else once in a while to boost support across NZ" line I'm not entirely convinced about. Maybe it's just me being dense, but I have serious doubts that, following the big crowd last weekend, the crowd at the next game in Wellington is going to be massively increased by all these new found supporters from Christchurch who have 'discovered' the Phoenix and will now make the trip to Wellington to see the game. 
 
yeah, one big crowd to a one off match isn't going to increase the real home games attendance...nor is it going to add any support in the FFA's mind to keeping the nix involved. Fact is the FFa want us to stay its the AFC that are trying to oust us - and that has nothing to do with crowd fiugures home/away or otherwise.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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timmymadden wrote:

Milky Pisswit wrote:
What bigger picture? There is no bigger picture. We are a Wellington based club. Our home games should be played in our city, and on our turf, at all cost.
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The fact that home games were played away this season due to apparantly unavoidable conflicts, and that people showed up to those fixtures, does not entitle either the stadiums that hosted those games or the people who attended them�to any expectation of any future commitment to do the same again.

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Don't get me wrong though, I think it's great that people outside Wellington choose to support the Phoenix, but the suggestion that we should feel obliged to whore our team out to the rest of the country based on spurious claims of our supposed responsiblities to football in this country really gets on my nerves.

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I don't think anyone does expect the phoenix to play here again, to be honest I don't think anyone expected them to come here in the first place. You just need to understand how grateful we Phoenix fans are down this way that it did happen. You're right, the Phoenix has no responsibility to this country at all, however it does have fanatical support outside of Wellington.


But people do though. Like this
thread. People saying Christchurch do deserve another game.
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SiNZ wrote:
When have the AFC or the FFA or the Nix ever indicated that their (AFC's) antipathy to having an OFC national-based team in one of their national's competitions is going to be affected in any way by whether the Nix play all home games at home or play some away? There is no link between these issues and to try and link them is incredulous.
 
Further, the AFC's opposition also has nothing to do with how successful the Nix are or the state of the Nix's finances. The AFC have a conceptual issue with our presence.
 
Your "big picture" would appear to be made up of connecting dots that have no link.


The Nix's best position to put forward to the AFC for continued inclusion in the HAL is the 'for the good of the game' card. This may not sway the AFC directly but could put a lot of effort on FIFA to step in, if it comes down to that. The Nix being succesful and drawing high average crowd attendences could also be deciding factors in the AFC allowing the Nix to continue in the HAL, whether they have a conceptual issue with it or not.

"affected in any way by whether the Nix play all home games at home or play some away?" - Again a very simplistic view and not touching on the wider ramifications of what playing away from Wellington in front of larger crowds could do for the club in its current situation.
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theprof wrote:
Jag wrote:
It's actually the "play somewhere else once in a while to boost support across NZ" line I'm not entirely convinced about. Maybe it's just me being dense, but I have serious doubts that, following the big crowd last weekend, the crowd at the next game in Wellington is going to be massively increased by all these new found supporters from Christchurch who have 'discovered' the Phoenix and will now make the trip to Wellington to see the game. 
 
yeah, one big crowd to a one off match isn't going to increase the real home games attendance...nor is it going to add any support in the FFA's mind to keeping the nix involved. Fact is the FFa want us to stay its the AFC that are trying to oust us - and that has nothing to do with crowd fiugures home/away or otherwise.
 
Well you better tell Tony P that, who seems to be including the Christchurch crowd numbers this quote: "I think we're doing everything possible on and off the field this season. We're averaging a lot more than some other clubs crowd-wise [8500, sixth in the league] and we're pushing for the playoffs.". I'm pretty sure that is including the Christchurch game (correct me if I'm wrong if). This is fair enough of course, because it was a home game.
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I bet alot of you were gutted when a decent crowd showed and we won. 2 less things to moan about

rojas, so special

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Jag wrote:
It's actually the "play somewhere else once in a while to boost support across NZ" line I'm not entirely convinced about. Maybe it's just me being dense, but I have serious doubts that, following the big crowd last weekend, the crowd at the next game in Wellington is going to be massively increased by all these new found supporters from Christchurch who have 'discovered' the Phoenix and will now make the trip to Wellington to see the game. 


You're right its not just a one of game that will do it, but what will make a difference is a number of collective actions that the club makes, built up over a significant period of time.
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I'm having a real hard time trying to figure out exactly what it is you're trying to say...

If it's that the AFC will suddenly get off our back because we boost game attendance by turning the Phoenix into a team that travels the country as some kind of messiah, marching onward on a football crusade to convert the heathens as we go, then...
 
Ah actually, f*ck it. I give up.
 
Anyone know if we can get the Ringling Bros. to do our half-time show at which ever town we happen to play in next...?
 
 
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What we don't want to discourage is out of town fans.
 
I hate reading on here that people have "given up on this forum".  That's bad news.
 
We need every single fan we can muster.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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djtim3000 wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
When have the AFC or the FFA or the Nix ever indicated that their (AFC's) antipathy to having an OFC national-based team in one of their national's competitions is going to be affected in any way by whether the Nix play all home games at home or play some away? There is no link between these issues and to try and link them is incredulous.
 
Further, the AFC's opposition also has nothing to do with how successful the Nix are or the state of the Nix's finances. The AFC have a conceptual issue with our presence.
 
Your "big picture" would appear to be made up of connecting dots that have no link.


The Nix's best position to put forward to the AFC for continued inclusion in the HAL is the 'for the good of the game' card. This may not sway the AFC directly but could put a lot of effort on FIFA to step in, if it comes down to that. The Nix being succesful and drawing high average crowd attendences could also be deciding factors in the AFC allowing the Nix to continue in the HAL, whether they have a conceptual issue with it or not.

"affected in any way by whether the Nix play all home games at home or play some away?" - Again a very simplistic view and not touching on the wider ramifications of what playing away from Wellington in front of larger crowds could do for the club in its current situation.
 
BUT the AFC do not care about the state of the game in the OFC. If they did, they wouldn't be against us being in the A-League in the first place! It's a contradictory viewpoint to say the AFC will change their mind by improving something they're opposed to improving! And you think I'm the one with a simplistic view
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SiNZ wrote:
djtim3000 wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
When have the AFC or the FFA or the Nix ever indicated that their (AFC's) antipathy to having an OFC national-based team in one of their national's competitions is going to be affected in any way by whether the Nix play all home games at home or play some away? There is no link between these issues and to try and link them is incredulous.
 
Further, the AFC's opposition also has nothing to do with how successful the Nix are or the state of the Nix's finances. The AFC have a conceptual issue with our presence.
 
Your "big picture" would appear to be made up of connecting dots that have no link.


The Nix's best position to put forward to the AFC for continued inclusion in the HAL is the 'for the good of the game' card. This may not sway the AFC directly but could put a lot of effort on FIFA to step in, if it comes down to that. The Nix being succesful and drawing high average crowd attendences could also be deciding factors in the AFC allowing the Nix to continue in the HAL, whether they have a conceptual issue with it or not.

"affected in any way by whether the Nix play all home games at home or play some away?" - Again a very simplistic view and not touching on the wider ramifications of what playing away from Wellington in front of larger crowds could do for the club in its current situation.
 
BUT the AFC do not care about the state of the game in the OFC. If they did, they wouldn't be against us being in the A-League in the first place! It's a contradictory viewpoint to say the AFC will change their mind by improving something they're opposed to improving! And you think I'm the one with a simplistic view



Did you read my post? (admittedly effort wasn't the right word to use)
"this may not sway the AFC directly but could put a lot of effort on FIFA to step in, if it comes down to that."
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Smithy wrote:
What we don't want to discourage is out of town fans.
 
I hate reading on here that people have "given up on this forum".  That's bad news.
 
We need every single fan we can muster.
horse has bolted there

rojas, so special

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SiNZ wrote:
BUT the AFC do not care about the state of the game in the OFC. If they did, they wouldn't be against us being in the A-League in the first place! It's a contradictory viewpoint to say the AFC will change their mind by improving something they're opposed to improving! And you think I'm the one with a simplistic view



Did you read my post? (admittedly effort wasn't the right word to use)
"this may not sway the AFC directly but could put a lot of effort on FIFA to step in, if it comes down to that."
 
The thing that will likely succeed to an appeal to FIFA is based on community - one of their pet things to link with football - and from that longevity of existence.
 
For the former, I dispute that taking the games on the road does anything postive for the club's sense of community representation. It's taking games away from the club's home - a bit like a mini franchise-FC or game-39 approach that is generally condemned in football.
 
For the latter, I can see you trying to argue, as has been put forward by Robb et al, that travelling matches could boost finances and therefore chances of longevity - though as I've said, I doubt our finances are fragile to be seriously impacted by taking games away and if they are that fragile, then travelling matches is surely not going to make a big enough difference.
 
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Wow another  8 pages of jumping to conclusions, man we're our own worst enemy sometimes.
I mean, i've had a say and all that and yeah it's a forum ra de ra, but jeez  we work ourselves up a bit to easily
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giddyup wrote:
Wow another  8 pages of jumping to conclusions, man we're our own worst enemy sometimes.
I mean, i've had a say and all that and yeah it's a forum ra de ra, but jeez  we work ourselves up a bit to easily
 
All part of the fun bro
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Until someone loses an eye  giddyup2010-02-03 18:56:18
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SiNZ wrote:
 
The thing that will likely succeed to an appeal to FIFA is based on community - one of their pet things to link with football - and from that longevity of existence.
 
For the former, I dispute that taking the games on the road does anything postive for the club's sense of community representation. It's taking games away from the club's home - a bit like a mini franchise-FC or game-39 approach that is generally condemned in football.
 
For the latter, I can see you trying to argue, as has been put forward by Robb et al, that travelling matches could boost finances and therefore chances of longevity - though as I've said, I doubt our finances are fragile to be seriously impacted by taking games away and if they are that fragile, then travelling matches is surely not going to make a big enough difference.
 


My view differs slightly (looking at the bigger picture), taking into account that the Nix are in teh globally unique situation of being the only professional representation from the entire country (and the OFC). In a way it does foster a community spirit across the whole of NZ - i.e. born and bred cantabrians gunning for a team based and playing (most of its games) in Wellington. Would you get two essentially opposing cities residents', feeling this way in other other league? Almost every young football player in New Zealand can now develop with a realistic goal of making it into a 'local' professional league with the Nix as role models (not just Wellington kids), I'm sure FIFA loves that sentiment also.

Now this is actually hypocritically simplistic, but 18k tickets @ $20 per ticket is $360k. That is a lot of money in the HAL. Compared to 5500 (7500 ave attendance minus 2000 season passes) per game at the Rof at the sames price, plus all else (ground fees, staff etc) considered equal (I'm aware there's probably travelling costs etc), thats an extra $250k just for one game. Its hard to argue that a quarter million wouldnt make a difference.

Note that I still wholeheartedly agree with the OP that vitally important games and most likely the entire second half of the season should ALWAYS be played at the RoF if at all possible.
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timmymadden wrote:
ballane wrote:
Colvinator wrote:

Over simplistic. Wellington team = play in Wellington. It would be good if people could look at the bigger picture. I support the Phoenix and also New Zealand Football. Having one game a year in another city in the middle of the season may well be good for both. I note the All Whites are playing Serbia in a neutral venue for World Cup preparation. Different example, but shows the Phoenix aren't the only ones not following simplistic notions all the time.
 
I find it a bit off to call the Phoenix a "travelling circus". That's not what they are at all, and having a game in another New Zealand city once a year wouldn't make them so. As far as the numbers go, well I'll have to leave that up to the Phoenix to do their own research, but I don't find it unlikely that Christchurch could keep getting good crowds.
 
One game in another city shouldn't isolate the fan base. But if fans are so fickle that they are going to drop their support because of that, well they can't be particularly big fans if they can't support the guys who have given us this club to do what they need to make it a success.
Yeah but the game wasnt in the middle of the season it was at the end of, and an important game in our push to the semis.Have serious doubts that the Phoenix would attract those numbers if it was played down there when rugby is being played.

I dont object to one game maybe being played away but will continue to voice my concern at the club talking about taking others away.As for being fickle im bloody sure my family wish i was,it would then mean they could schedule family functions on days the Phoenix play and i wouldnt spend so much money on Phoenix associated goods.Some of us brought into this club before we even had a squad and have continued to do so,however  this talk of taking other games away will have many questioning their dedication.


Why? We're not all f**ken rugby heads you know, personally I can't stand it. The bigger problem I see down here is turning these so called 'die hard Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea/Man U/Villa fans' into Phoenix fans. (Which I think a fair few did on Saturday )
I do realise that but i have my doubts that the Phoenix would attract as many if it were to be played during the season.We have the same problem up here getting those who support those teams to turn up,on a consistent basis.
I know a couple of people who have been twice this season and not been back complaining about the style of football and comparing it to the premiership.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Tony P on the radio yesterday said he wouldn't rule out another game outside Wellington but that the club was conscious that they "needed to look after their season ticket holders first and foremost".
 
Rezpekt.
 
 
i wonder what that will mean in practice? (and, no,  not the Newtown park ones)
 
at least the alst half of the sentence is reassuring
 
for alst read "last"
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giddyup wrote:
Until someone loses an eye 
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bringbacksmeltz wrote:
I bet alot of you were gutted when a decent crowd showed and we won. 2 less things to moan about
Too right I was gutted........only because I couldnt make it to CHCH for the game.
I was absolutely stoked that we won & that there was a good Phoenix contingent in the crowd,  I take my Yellow Fever bucket hat off to all of you. But I always celebrate a Phoenix away win!
If it was played in Wgtn I would have been there, using my season ticket, which I bought after it 
was advertised as 13 home games & saving 25%(?). Yes, I knew that there were going to be games played in Palmy & CHCH which I intended to go to, as mentioned above I couldnt make it to CHCH but enjoyed the outing to the Ring of Sh1t.
The lack of loyalty to the season ticket holders is astounding, we are the ones who pay the money upfront before the season starts, this obviously helps the cash flow & budgeting for the year, but when tickets for our "home" games, played away are cheaper than the price for home game tickets to the RoF, it's a bit of a slap in the face. Not to mention the amount of shagging around some people experienced from sh*titek.
Tony P has got to show some loyalty(rather than talk about it) to the season ticket holders & the regular buyers of tickets.
I am more than happy for 1 game a season to be played in CHCH, as long as it is a pre season game or in the first 5 rounds. If the CHCH fans are so passionate about the phoenix they will then have the rest of the season to travel up to Wellington to see the WELLINGTON PHOENIX playing in WELLINGTON. Surely this will end up bringing more money into the club we all love, we get to take the pi55 out of the one eyed cantabs face to face, & Terry S can give up his part time job! It's a win win situation all round
 
 
 

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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tigers wrote:
Smithy wrote:
Tony P on the radio yesterday said he wouldn't rule out another game outside Wellington but that the club was conscious that they "needed to look after their season ticket holders first and foremost".
 
Rezpekt.
 
 
i wonder what that will mean in practice? (and, no,  not the Newtown park ones)
 
at least the alst half of the sentence is reassuring
 
for alst read "last"
 
Tony P
 
Tigers: I kenw waht you maent.
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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whitby fever wrote:
But people do though. Like this
thread. People saying Christchurch do deserve another game.
That's more hopeful than expectant. I've posted a few times in there.
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Smithy wrote:
What we don't want to discourage is out of town fans.
 
I hate reading on here that people have "given up on this forum".  That's bad news.
 
We need every single fan we can muster.
This.
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Kiwi Hatter wrote:
bringbacksmeltz wrote:
I bet alot of you were gutted when a decent crowd showed and we won. 2 less things to moan about
Too right I was gutted........only because I couldnt make it to CHCH for the game.
I was absolutely stoked that we won & that there was a good Phoenix contingent in the crowd,  I take my Yellow Fever bucket hat off to all of you. But I always celebrate a Phoenix away win!
If it was played in Wgtn I would have been there, using my season ticket, which I bought after it 
was advertised as 13 home games & saving 25%(?). Yes, I knew that there were going to be games played in Palmy & CHCH which I intended to go to, as mentioned above I couldnt make it to CHCH but enjoyed the outing to the Ring of Sh1t.
The lack of loyalty to the season ticket holders is astounding, we are the ones who pay the money upfront before the season starts, this obviously helps the cash flow & budgeting for the year, but when tickets for our "home" games, played away are cheaper than the price for home game tickets to the RoF, it's a bit of a slap in the face. Not to mention the amount of shagging around some people experienced from sh*titek.
Tony P has got to show some loyalty(rather than talk about it) to the season ticket holders & the regular buyers of tickets.
I am more than happy for 1 game a season to be played in CHCH, as long as it is a pre season game or in the first 5 rounds. If the CHCH fans are so passionate about the phoenix they will then have the rest of the season to travel up to Wellington to see the WELLINGTON PHOENIX playing in WELLINGTON. Surely this will end up bringing more money into the club we all love, we get to take the pi55 out of the one eyed cantabs face to face, & Terry S can give up his part time job! It's a win win situation all round
 
 
 
  I was planning on making it up for a game or 2, these days not so much. bringbacksmeltz2010-02-04 19:08:03

rojas, so special

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