How's this helping NZ football?

Does it not say at the top of the page "YELLOW FEVER" supporters of Wellington Phoenix FC? How did he get on anyway. And I will say it if anyone else doesn't - ACFC are shiite.  There, done. enough said

How are they sh*te? They got 5th in the CWC and are consistently winning or in the top 2 of our countries national competition. Enough said Of course Team Wellington are better Tegal2010-01-13 00:07:48

No one else said it so i did.

Moron of the week. Well done.

Stole whoooooooooooooo's title. He'll throw a strop and cut his wrists over that.

Well what an entertaining and bizarre thread from bluemagic, you start off with the anti-nix stuff then it ends in the "nah I love you all really we are bruvvers" sort of thing. You could actually see when the beers had really kicked in, which is nice.


So I take it then this "Wayward"/Bluemagic is known then? By what I read here some of you sound disappointed in him? I take it he was not always so?


Like many of us, I was not around for the Auckland's teams that died, so not up to speed on the personalities involved.

Sounds like a book in the somewhere, I'd certainly read it to get more background. I'm sure it would sell more than 600 copies.

grrr: post from FT.
vickmeist2010-01-13 10:41:37

It would be an interesting read to do the the first ten years (or first 10 seasons) but would need someone with way more skill than me to write it and do it justice.

It would also need to be someone prepared to offend some people, someone without agenda's against the concept of the sides and not too close to those involved in any of the three entities and that rules out a lot of football people.

Produced.... Thats a very broad term that. I would say that they played for Central but certainly not produced by Central. Jeff Vader2010-01-13 10:54:27

I'll do it if anyone wants to pay me....

EDIT: In response to HN's post.el grapadura2010-01-13 10:51:42

so who is this Wayward bloke then?

Slightly off topic, but I'm curious. Just as a matter of interest, given that Central are being portrayed as the shining light of developing players, can somebody tell me how many junior and youth teams they have?

Jag2010-01-13 11:20:20

Someone who could write the book.

Have a look at his profile, he's not hiding his real name.

Albany with a good crowd is quite a good place for football, close to the pitch, good acoustics.  Like any stadium it's sh*t when it's empty.

Unfortunately of course it's in the middle of nowhere like all Auckland stadiums.

Thats one thing they certainly have wrong in Auckland and we have right in Wellington. The amount of stadiums

I googled his name and the only thing I got was that he was recently Assistant Ref for Gisbourne Thistle V Signature Port Hill.

Not quite what I had in mind.


But I'll leave it.

At least their stadiums are rectangular, though. 

Eden park isn't.  It should be, but it isn't... and Mt Smart has the running track and ridiculous layout in the main stand.

Eden Park is the oddest looking rectangle ever

*Most of their stadiums

Produced.... Thats a very broad term that. I would say that they played for Central but certainly not produced by Central. Good grief man, don't dump on us too much. James Pritchett, Chad Coombes, Riki Van Steeden have all been at City for best part of five years, Matt Willams three and Feneridis and McGeorge have come from Central youth to City as well as North Shore. Vilecich was central for three years before Kingz and then Holland and Haynes has played for Central because he told me "it's great to be back". It's not a bad development record for an amateur league but what I'm trying to discuss in this forum is much bigger than City's lineup.

so your youth development of  Van Steeden was when he was as a 29yr old?

Maybe they can develop me too...not too far off that age.

I'm not too far off my second childhood.

[QUOTE=vickmeist] Well what an entertaining and bizarre thread from bluemagic, you start off with the anti-nix stuff then it ends in the "nah I love you all really we are bruvvers" sort of thing. You could actually see when the beers had really kicked in, which is nice.


So I take it then this "Wayward"/Bluemagic is known then? By what I read here some of you sound disappointed in him? I take it he was not always so?

Then   just in  keeping name the  boys  the pnix developed....hmmmm 




long list eh.....

How did we go from one happyted to three?


They are worse than 5 whooooo's

The Phoenix can't develop youth players if that's what you are getting at. That's been well and truly covered before and is a seperate issue. The issue above is that Bluemagic actually stated ACFC produced and developed their players which they in fact had very little part in.

We're getting sidetracked into who Central/City developed and it's probably my fault - but this isn't the big issue I'm trying to get you guys to grapple with. Please read my long ramble above, I'd love to hear of any solutions you have in mind. We're in this together.

Mmm i think you're turning it into nix vs NZFC for coverage,which is based on the assumption that the NZFC got media coverage before the nix were around,which wasnt the case. The herald perhaps isnt the best paper to be using as an example either,they never print football...other media and papers seemed to cover the CWC really quite well,there was a real steamroll of football coverage for a while there,in which the nix actually took a back seat for.

Phoenix Reserves in the NZFC is an absolute no brainer, and is the solution to this problem.

Apart from that the Phoenix need to repeat their last season's commitment to watching the NZFC regularly and NZFC clubs need to learn to see themselves as Nix feeder clubs.

Oh and Bluemagic don't fall into the trap of thinking you're the only one on here that's "suffering in the trenches" of local football.

Bluemagic, good that you have accepted your frailties in your initial all out assault on Wellington Phoenix. Then your claim about ACFC developing talent from junior ages turned out to be bullocks.Actually, others ferreted out the real truth behind the multi national team at ACFC as well as poaching other talents from other clubs and regions in NZ. Your magic has tarnished and now it is quite dull!

The simple answer is that there's no easy solution - there's too much politcs, conflicting interests, and a limited amount of cash to make everything right.

But if I was in charge of the strategic planning for NZ football, I'd be focusing on three things:

1. Improving coaching and facilities for youth development - basically, we're still struggling to produce enough quality players, and we're losing this battle at a very early developmental stage (teenage years). Systematic and carefully planned investment in this area is a must.

2. Ensuring that NZFC is financially viable long-term, as we need to have a solid domestic national league to have the best young players in the country (and some experienced veterans too) to play against each other as often aspossible, and in this way give themselves an opportunity to step-up to the next level.

3. Hold fast to the A-league and not let go, because it is the best competition in this part of the world, and will continue to be so as long as it's around. We need to keep the Phoenix in the A-league under current terms, and fight tooth and nail against proposals from the AFC to limit the number of NZers at the club. Also in the longish term, fight hard for inclusion of another NZ team in the league. The current environment is working against this, but if the issues with AFC get resolved, the A-league established itself on a more secure financial footing and Phoenix continues to be an integral part of that league, and solid financial backing is found for another NZ club, it is not inconceivable that the FFA would support such a move.

The problem, of course, is that achieving all this isn't particularly easy in the current circumstances. But what we have at the moment is a good enough start for right here, right now.

So thats done it then? ACFC gets the cream of the upper north side of the country and loses a few players to the Nix and so have endured being "Piggy in the middle?" Isn't all NZFC sides are potentially the same in each of their respective regions in which ACFC and WU has a larger player pool??

Jeff Vader2010-01-13 16:23:04

My last point. Jeff Vader2010-01-13 16:30:01