Wellington Phoenix Men

How's this helping NZ football?

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My personal view:

 

NZFC is an amateur competition [if in name only] and has to remain so for the Phoenix to use the excuse that there is no professional league for them to play in, in NZ.

 

If the NZFC was officially deemed to be a professional or semi-professional league, our players participating in it would not be eligible to play college football in the US. In fact, if the NCAA decided to take a real close look at the status of the NZFC, they would deem it to be non-amateur and our players ineligible to play at an US college.

 

Australia will do exactly what the Asian Confederation says and should not expect otherwise. At this time, the best scenario on offer from Asia is that the Nix will be limited to the same player restrictions as other A League clubs and that will affect the number of Kiwis [if any] that get to play for the Phoenix.

 

NZ�s players best pathways to pro football is through the US College system but that doesn�t suit everyone nor can everyone qualify to do that.

 

Should the quota system change for the Nix, young Kiwi players should move to Australia and play in Australia and gain Australian citizenship and qualify as an �Aussie� for the purposes of participating in the A League.

 

This last part is reliant on Australia allowing it to happen but we should push to have 3 NZ teams in the A League [ Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch]. Operating under the A league quota system [not the one the Nix currently enjoy] there would be more opportunities than the 1 [with the Nix] for Kiwis to play pro football in the A League.

 

Those 3 clubs need to have teams play in the youth league in Australia and should perhaps have them based in Australia for the citizenship reasons outlined previously.

 

Additionally they should own/connect with Australian clubs and run academies or locate young kiwi players at those clubs for the same citizenship reasons already outlined.

 

Just looking at that last scenario; should a top prospect emerge at a young age they should be able to be slotted into the A League side or youth side under the quota system [cream rises to the top]. If we look at Costa for example, it is almost 3 years since he joined the Nix and hasn�t cemented an A League place. If he had been living in Australia for that time he would be close to gaining his Aussie citizenship and therefore free to play at the Nix as an Aussie or at any other A League club. Let�s face it, he�s not going to be picked up by any other A League club at the moment is he?

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No Wayward, the problem here is that you pick a couple of quotes about the responses to your points and take them as the be all and end all.  Every point you have made has been logically commented on repeatedly but you're so blinkered you won't take the views on.

You have completely ignored a comprehensive list of why the Phoenix are not the reason Auckland City can't be professional.  You have continually ignored a long list of NZFC players who have trained with, trialled with, played in pre-season with the Phoenix, you have ignored the fact that the likes of Smeltz and Moss play in the A-League because of the Phoenix not despite the Phoenix and a whole raft of other items that answer the points you re-iterate over and over again.  You also keep suggesting Chad Coombes should be a professional footballer.

...but the place you lost us was the patronising  'in the trenches' crap when you have no idea how much a stack of people here put in to local football while supporting the Phoenix.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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ForteanTimes wrote:
[QUOTE=Bluemagic]Enjoyed this conversation lads, we've touched on some big issues. Nice bit of crack!
 
Bloody hell Blue I thought the landlord was going to say the old bloke had been dead for 30 years and his ghost had bought you the drink!

Seriously though thanks mate.


Thanks for invigorating the spirit of those poor exhausted working-class people. I would imagine you lot turning up was like a personal visit from the Queen Mum, Churchill and Vera Lynn all rolled into one. As a working class bloke myself with most of me family having come from the North I'm gently sobbing at the beauty of your tale.

Thank you mate, thank you for saving my people.
 
 
You're right, we were a bunch of t**sers from the big smoke who bestowed our blessings on the humble poor sods up North - but we did a great version of The Kinks 'You Really Got Me' during the game with the word Darlington slotted in and had lots of them joining in.
Love the idea of a ghost - think I'll use it in a film script. Whenever I tell this story to RicLaRoc it leaves him a sobbing wreck.




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Bluemagic - people have responded to your points - and logically stating why they are incorrect. Now you are just repeating yourself.
Your continued reference to Kingz/Knightz/City have actually detracted from your argument.
I invite you to come to Wellington for a game some time. Someone might even buy you pint just like the old man from Noocastle.

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Addicks wrote:
Bluemagic, you've frequently suggested that without NZ players, and with imports, we're destined to fail. 
 
Seems you're completely absolving the administration of the Kingz and Kinghts of all wrong-doing and blaming all failure on imports.
 
 
 
 
I have been savage on the stupid administraions of the Kingz and Knights for dropping the ball. I clearly pointed out where and when the Kingz fell apart (the sacking of Rufer) and I have never blamed ALL failure on imports. There were some great imports on both teams and some awful duds.
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Yes we should admit that wellington is the true spiritual and physical heart of NZ footy, that we are mere dilitantes dabbling in the shallow [ stagnant possibly ] pond that is the north; that the Phoenix are an aspiration to all true followers of the worlds greatest game and possibly the greatest club in this century [ not last tho... i knows this  ] that wellingtonians will always support through thick and thin that your club teams are superb , your weather clement and your special needs children telegenic,










 me personally im saving my old clothes to send you after the shake ...so if theres anything else  youd like please  do tell....
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Feverish wrote:
Bluemagic - people have responded to your points - and logically stating why they are incorrect. Now you are just repeating yourself.
Your continued reference to Kingz/Knightz/City have actually detracted from your argument.
I invite you to come to Wellington for a game some time. Someone might even buy you pint just like the old man from Noocastle.
 
 
 
You're right - I'm now repeating myself and what I've been saying is incorrect so I will truly shut up. Boy it's been hard work but I've enjoyed it. So it's cheerio then and good luck to ya!
 
PS   Vadar - loosen up that plastic helmet, I fear it's too tight.
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Who ever said anything like that?

Jeez some of you guys are paranoid.

EDIT - In response to uncloz.el grapadura2010-01-14 11:30:22
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uncloz wrote:
me personally im saving my old clothes to send you after the shake ...so if theres anything else  youd like please  do tell....


We'll do the same when one of the hundred Volcanoes goes... fingers crossed it's not Roskill or Albert as Kiwitea St. isn't likely to survive.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
No Wayward, the problem here is that you pick a couple of quotes about the responses to your points and take them as the be all and end all.  Every point you have made has been logically commented on repeatedly but you're so blinkered you won't take the views on.

You have completely ignored a comprehensive list of why the Phoenix are not the reason Auckland City can't be professional.  You have continually ignored a long list of NZFC players who have trained with, trialled with, played in pre-season with the Phoenix, you have ignored the fact that the likes of Smeltz and Moss play in the A-League because of the Phoenix not despite the Phoenix and a whole raft of other items that answer the points you re-iterate over and over again.  You also keep suggesting Chad Coombes should be a professional footballer.

...but the place you lost us was the patronising  'in the trenches' crap when you have no idea how much a stack of people here put in to local football while supporting the Phoenix.
 
 
Good on you Hard News, you're a real football fan. See you at Newtown Park one day.
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Hard News wrote:
Thought you were joining us tomorrow night ?
 
 
 
Love to but won't be down in Welly for another fortnight (I'm making a movie). Happy Ted says I'm being too soft on you guys, do you think he's right? I did my best.
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Bluemagic wrote:
Addicks wrote:
Bluemagic, you've frequently suggested that without NZ players, and with imports, we're destined to fail. 
 
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Seriously, I wonder if some of you guys even comprehend what has been discussed here. Good grief, my whole question is HOW IS THIS HELPING NZ FOOTBALL?' I repeat, one and a half NZ players (Siggy and Costa - as a sub) have been lifted up from the tier below (NZFC) by the Phoenix in three seasons. They have been given real game time. Others, like Draper and now Rojas, have been through the system but saw/see little or no game time and that's what matters. All the training in the world means bugger all if they don't play - ask Mully. Fine if you want a team chock full of imports that does well and that's all that matters. But the remit for putting a NZ team in the Australian league in the first place all those years ago was to provide a pathway for the best local talent into a professional level allied with good imports (not replaced by). It was not simply just to win the old ANL/A-League and it doesn't matter if there's not even a Kiwi in the team. Ricki started well but I seriously worry that outside pressures (namely Asian) are now dissipating that. Okay, to a lot of you guys the Phoenix are El Tel's rich man's toy (a bless him for putting his hands in his pocket) and he can do what he wants - but please ask yourself the friggin' central question.
I don't want the Phoenix to fail. I suffered through that with the Kingz and the Knights, it was agony. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I just want the best local talent to be given a fair shake of the stick. I maintain the system is now mitigating against that. The one entity that could step into the breech (City via the CWC) and provide our best players with a pro set-up can't because of the Nix. Please try to look at the big picture and cut the crap. Dear oh dear, I think ADD is becoming a serious issue.
 
Don't be so facile.  Have you mixed two issues so frequently that the've become one in your mind?  or just forgotten what you've been talking about?
 
Thinking of the bigger picture, if the Phoenix get crap results, we'll be gone, no a-league in NZ.  What do you see as the best development opportunity for NZ footballers in that scenario?  Calm down and think some more.
 
I'm merely saying that the club does not seem to be imploding. I also reckon that while it's around it will develop NZ players, as it has done so.  I don't buy into your views that unmotivated foreigners will take it all down.  I don't buy into your views that NZ players are being overlooked.  I don't buyinto your views that the administration are going to blow it.
 
I'm not trying to wind you up, just questioning what you seem to take as gospel.  If I may draw your attention to your earlier words:
 
[QUOTE=Bluemagic]As an aside fellas, I was there the night Chris Turner told me he was sacking Rufer and bringing in Petersen and the best players from South Melbourne. It was at the end of the second season when Rufer was really developing the team and we got over 9,000 at the game. I told him he was mad and it would destroy the club, and it duly did. I'd really hate to see that repeated at the Phoenix and if you don't think it can happen you're dreaming.
 
Sure it can happen, but nothing indicates that it will be the case.  Let's hope that the lessson has been learned eh.

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Addicks wrote:
[QUOTE=Bluemagic][QUOTE=Addicks]Bluemagic, you've frequently suggested that without NZ players, and with imports, we're destined to fail. 
  
Thinking of the bigger picture, if the Phoenix get crap results, we'll be gone, no a-league in NZ.  What do you see as the best development opportunity for NZ footballers in that scenario?  Calm down and think some more.
 
I'm merely saying that the club does not seem to be imploding. I also reckon that while it's around it will develop NZ players, as it has done so.  I don't buy into your views that unmotivated foreigners will take it all down.  I don't buy into your views that NZ players are being overlooked.  I don't buyinto your views that the administration are going to blow it.
 
 
 
 
Bloody Hell! I have not been saying that imported players will take you all down. Clearly you're doing fine with a largely Aussie team. It did at the Kingz, as I've repeatedly explained, because they blew the budget on players like Boutsy who didn't give a toss. Hopefully Ricki has it all worked out and the Nix are going to succeed big time! I just don't believe that Durante feels the same deep pride in pulling on a Phoenix shirt that Leo Bertos does and that's the same the world over. Maybe Troy will tear his heart for you and you might even win the A League and good luck to you. Maybe the current situation is a blip and one day seven Leo's will run out for the Phoenix. All I have been asking is - how does this help NZ football if most of the team are imports?  Sweeping aside all the bloody nitpicking, that is the question I've been trying to get you guys to answer. Some of you have been quite honest said you don't give a stuff, you just want the Nix to win - fair enough. 
 
 
 
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Actually, what most have been saying is that even with a team full of imports, the Phoenix is still good for NZ football.

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Bluemagic wrote:
Addicks wrote:
[QUOTE=Bluemagic][QUOTE=Addicks]Bluemagic, you've frequently suggested that without NZ players, and with imports, we're destined to fail. 
  
Thinking of the bigger picture, if the Phoenix get crap results, we'll be gone, no a-league in NZ.  What do you see as the best development opportunity for NZ footballers in that scenario?  Calm down and think some more.
 
I'm merely saying that the club does not seem to be imploding. I also reckon that while it's around it will develop NZ players, as it has done so.  I don't buy into your views that unmotivated foreigners will take it all down.  I don't buy into your views that NZ players are being overlooked.  I don't buyinto your views that the administration are going to blow it.
 
Bloody Hell! I have not been saying that imported players will take you all down. Clearly you're doing fine with a largely Aussie team. It did at the Kingz, as I've repeatedly explained, because they blew the budget on players like Boutsy who didn't give a toss. Hopefully Ricki has it all worked out and the Nix are going to succeed big time! I just don't believe that Durante feels the same deep pride in pulling on a Phoenix shirt that Leo Bertos does and that's the same the world over. Maybe Troy will tear his heart for you and you might even win the A League and good luck to you. Maybe the current situation is a blip and one day seven Leo's will run out for the Phoenix. All I have been asking is - how does this help NZ football if most of the team are imports?  Sweeping aside all the bloody nitpicking, that is the question I've been trying to get you guys to answer. Some of you have been quite honest said you don't give a stuff, you just want the Nix to win - fair enough. 
 
I, earlier, gave you quite a detailed response as to why I thought the Phoenix was good for NZ football.  Fair enough that you won't remember it specifically, there's only one of you.
 
 
So have quite a lot of other people. Is that's what you've dismissed as 'nitpicking'?
 
Do you see the irony in the person telling everyone to 'look at the bigger picture' is the same person who thinks that the only way a football club can help NZ is by giving NZ players 'a fair shake of the stick'?

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I really liked the Darlingon geezer story.

Do you have any more like that?
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Do you see the irony in the person telling everyone to 'look at the bigger picture' is the same person who thinks that the only way a football club can help NZ is by giving NZ players 'a fair shake of the stick'?
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Quite what's wrong with giving NZ players "a fair shake of the stick"? I'm still a little unsure how else the ONLY NZ side ALLOWED to be professional can help the local game.
Here's what would make me happy: Seven or eight good NZ players run out every time for the Phoenix along with three or four good imports. (About the same ratio the Australians have for their teams!!!!!). In the wings another three NZers and two imports who also get real game time. Currently it's less than that. Yes I'd rather see Haynes given a real shot up front (he'd crack in the goals) than Greenacre (nothing against the lad personally). I'd like to see the likes of Barron, Rojas and Coombes given a real shot. Then I'd say the remit for setting up this whole deal of a professional NZ club in Australia is being met. I wouldn't care if you didn't make the playoffs because it would be doing wonders for the opportunities of local players. The playoffs would be a bonus. You win the A league with an essentially Australian team and I'd admire the effort, but something would be missing for me. Same as if it was an Auckland team.
This all came about because we had a big party at Kiwitea Street after the boys came back from the CWC and I got to talking to players and administrators about stepping up to the next level - and the general impression, rightly or wrongly, was that the Phoenix weren't that interested in NZ players and CITY ISN"T ALLOWED TO BE EVEN SEMI-PRO (trust me lads, that's from the very top). The two Under 20s you guys are required to take on don't really count. It's nice you give them the training but only Costa has emerged from that and it has been a delight to see him develop on the pitch with the game time he has gotten since Greenacre's injury. Now with Greenacre back and Dadi on board when is he going to get to play? Without real game time it's only half an opportunity. Mully must be shattered. Anyway that's what I've been on about. I know Haynes would jump out of his skin to play for the Phoenix, same as Chad. That to me is football, not rich men's toys.
 
PS - I really am trying to slink off into the sunset, but this is such a huge issue and I just want to explore all of it. I've said far too much already and you guys appear fed up so apologies. I really think I can break the fix now. So it's a big wave from me, RicLaRoc and Happy Ted. Don't ya just love it!!!!!!
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Oh well - at least we know just how good City are now after the lack of CWC coverage

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Bluemagic wrote:
I just don't believe that Durante feels the same deep pride in pulling on a Phoenix shirt that Leo Bertos does and that's the same the world over. Maybe Troy will tear his heart for you and you might even win the A League and good luck to you. Maybe the current situation is a blip and one day seven Leo's will run out for the Phoenix. All I have been asking is - how does this help NZ football if most of the team are imports?  Sweeping aside all the bloody nitpicking, that is the question I've been trying to get you guys to answer. Some of you have been quite honest said you don't give a stuff, you just want the Nix to win - fair enough.


So, by that token you don't believe that Keryn Jordan or Grant Young, or Lee, or Gothard, or Dickinson will ever try to to the best they possibly can for Auckland City, because they aren't New Zealanders ?

How about Chad Coombes ?  He's from Hamilton, do you expect he won't care as much when playing Waikato as he would if he was playing for Waikato ?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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You keep missing what is being said BlueMagic, go to any Nix training and there is likely to be young NZers training with the squad, NZ players are getting the opportunity to work with the team and I am sure if they are good enough will be looked at. Krishna and Corrales got given a decent trial last off-season and were deemed not good enough.
A reserve side would fix all of this however.

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I think Bluemagic's basic problem is that he overestimates the amount of talent in Auckland City and NZFC in general.
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Feverish wrote:

Actually, what most have been saying is that even with a team full of imports, the Phoenix is still good for NZ football.

 
 
 
 
 
Ah BINGO! You've hit the nail on the head! This is where I don't agree because that stops anyone else local going even semi-pro. But there you go.
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bopman wrote:
You keep missing what is being said BlueMagic, go to any Nix training and there is likely to be young NZers training with the squad, NZ players are getting the opportunity to work with the team and I am sure if they are good enough will be looked at. Krishna and Corrales got given a decent trial last off-season and were deemed not good enough.
A reserve side would fix all of this however.
 
 
 
 
Sorry, isn't Krisna a Fijian international and Corrales from South America? And is it true that you guys at Yellow Fever were instrumental in Siggy (yes, a real live NZ player from the lowly NZFC) getting a trial at the Phoenix in the first place? If that's true the situation's even worse than I've been led to believe. Go on lads give Haynes a go, you might be surprised again.
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Bluemagic wrote:
Scratch most NZ players and they've played for some  school, local winter league and all sorts of other hometown teams and I never said otherwise. [/QUOTE]

Yeah, you did....

[QUOTE=Bluemagic] Auckland City, and it's winter feeder club Central (they're one in the same) have produced the following current squad members through local development - Ivan Vicelich, Paul Urlovich, Jason Hayne, Daniel Koprivicic, Alex Feneridis, Adam McGeorge, Milosh Nikolic, Daniel Morgan, Jacob Mathews, Chad Coombes, Sam Campbell, Rory Kelly.


Ouch
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Can't believe this is still going on.
 
Magic - If the nix hadn't done wonders for NZ football, do you really think people would give a toss what you say, or even know what you've written here??
 
Try looking through two eyes, you might find you see a lot more clearly.
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Bluemagic wrote:
Ah BINGO! You've hit the nail on the head! This is where I don't agree because that stops anyone else local going even semi-pro. But there you go.


Not true.  The Phoenix are not the reason why.  The funding agencies, the NCAA, NZF, and realistic budgets stops people from going 'even semi-pro'.

Once again, you have completely ignored the over-whelming evidence that NZFC players get lots of chances with the Phoenix.  As for Krishna and Corrales, mabye when a local player wins an NZFC scoring title they will get a go.  Like the last local winner, Shane Smeltz.




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Bluemagic wrote:
bopman wrote:
You keep missing what is being said BlueMagic, go to any Nix training and there is likely to be young NZers training with the squad, NZ players are getting the opportunity to work with the team and I am sure if they are good enough will be looked at. Krishna and Corrales got given a decent trial last off-season and were deemed not good enough.
A reserve side would fix all of this however.

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Sorry, isn't Krisna a Fijian international�and Corrales from South America? And is it true that you guys at Yellow Fever were instrumental in Siggy (yes, a real live NZ player from the lowly NZFC) getting a trial at the Phoenix in the first place? If that's true the situation's even worse than I've been led to believe. Go on lads give Haynes a go, you might be surprised again.


Krishna and Corrales are both foreign, you're right. But they are also (in the opinion of the Phoenix coaches who were watching the NZFC games) the most promising in the NZFC. And yet they came up short. So does this ultimately come down to you just thinking you know better than Phoenix coaching staff (or, everyone) or is it more that you are blinkered into thinking Hayne is better because he's at 'your' club?

And no, Yellow Fever had nothing to do with Siggie coming to the Feenix. That came straight from his performances in the NZFC.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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A-league is a professional league. NZFC isn't. Thats why you don't see many of the Amatuer players in the team. There not good enough. Grassroots and developement is where NZF are focussing. It takes time. Recent success have boosted its finances which is a good thing.

Your title tread asking how is it good for NZF. November 14 2009. Packed House,  Up to 5-6 Phoenix players played. Kiwi's like Chris wood who once played here is now playing overseas and signed a long term deal with his club.
 
AFC performed well in the world club competition.
 
All this has helped NZF, they've got the ball and now need to run with it.
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The Nix is good for NZ football no matter what nationality the players are.
It lifts the profile, or should I say gives  a profile to the greatest game in the world in the greatest country in the world.
It was a f**king stupid question
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Bluemagic sounds like the Maldini of this forum
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The nix have given plenty of NZFC footballers a chance, they just haven't reached the level required to make the starting team....as many have said already, the quality is just not there.....I'm pretty sure that if Ricki or one of his eam spotted a player based in Auckland or any of the nz teams that stood out baove all others they'd grab them with both hands.

At the end of the day magic, the nix are not tasked with buidling NZ football, they are simply required by the nix owners, board and fans to win games.....if NZ football gets a little more exposure and the quality increases then fab....but its still just a side effect of having a professionally run team in a professional league.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Bluemagic wrote:
Feverish wrote:

Actually, what most have been saying is that even with a team full of imports, the Phoenix is still good for NZ football.

 
 
Ah BINGO! You've hit the nail on the head! This is where I don't agree because that stops anyone else local going even semi-pro. But there you go.


Actually Auckland had heaps of time to put another franchise bid together for the A-League license when the Knights imploded. And early on I even remember Seatter be totally dismissive of the idea that the license could go anywhere else. Terry didn't win a bidding war, there were no other bids.

And of course Auckland could put another bid together at any time and bid for an A-League license. That would be cool in fact.

So when you say "stop any else going even semi-pro" you mean within your own limited frame of reference. So the question to you is "how is the lack of ambition in Auckland and other major NZ cities good for NZ football?".

Maybe you just need to think bigger Bluemagic. After ACFC's performances at the CWC (which were fantastic for NZ football by the way), why not?

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terminator_x wrote:
[QUOTE=Bluemagic][QUOTE=Feverish]

Actually Auckland had heaps of time to put another franchise bid together for the A-League license when the Knights imploded. And early on I even remember Seatter be totally dismissive of the idea that the license could go anywhere else. Terry didn't win a bidding war, there were no other bids.

And of course Auckland could put another bid together at any time and bid for an A-League license. That would be cool in fact.

So when you say "stop any else going even semi-pro" you mean within your own limited frame of reference. So the question to you is "how is the lack of ambition in Auckland and other major NZ cities good for NZ football?".

Maybe you just need to think bigger Bluemagic. After ACFC's performances at the CWC (which were fantastic for NZ football by the way), why not?

 
Would love to see another NZ team there, a welly auckland derby would have huge potential and the aussie market will soon reach a maximum, so if the a league does expand its only option will be here.
 
Great reply Terminator.
 
 
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Whilst a Welly/Auckland derby would be good for Welly and Auckland, I think it'd be catastrophic for any potential professionals down this way, it's a long way to move from home either way. There would be next to no interest at all in a fixture like that down here either. I would probably continue to support the Phoenix if Auckland got another team, but I'd rather it got spread around a bit, even if it was an Otago/Dunedin team.
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Otago/Dunedin team? Bahahahahahahahahahaha.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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So when you say "stop any else going even semi-pro" you mean within your own limited frame of reference. So the question to you is "how is the lack of ambition in Auckland and other major NZ cities good for NZ football?".

Maybe you just need to think bigger Bluemagic. After ACFC's performances at the CWC (which were fantastic for NZ football by the way), why not?

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      Because the chairman says they are NOT friggin' allowed. If City go professional domestically, the Nix can't be in the A League. When I asked why don't we put an Auckland team in the A League alongside the Nix (provided we could find the funds) it's because the Asians would seriously fight against two NZ-based teams (they're already trying to scupper you guys), the other Australian clubs aren't keen and if City go that way they can't be in the CWC as Oceania champs, which is the ONLY realistic way City could finance a professional team. See the VICIOUS CYCLE I'm talking about. So you're it guys.
        Please try to grasp this, it's not lack of ambition, the CWC results proved that. I would absolutely love it to have City in the A-League (or Auckland United) and so would a lot of supporters up here. We have some serious financial backers in the local Central Croats but they can't finance an A-League club without the CWC millions. I also admit  it would be hard to raise funds in Auckland, outside of CWC winnings, after the Knights debacle (imagine trying to launch another A-League team in Wellingon if the Nix imploded). If someone like Hart would invest $10 million in another A-league adventure it could happen but it would require taking on the AFC and I don't think we would win. I can't see another Auckland A League side (for the forseeable future) no matter how much ambition is thrown at it. City is a mighty ambitious little club but now we can only be that way within the CWC rules. Remember, we're effectively financing the whole NZFC now with our winnings.
     So Guys, don't tell us to think bigger, how about you guys thinking a little more locally instead. We're bustin' our guts within the constraints put upon us. The chairman mortgaged his property to send the team to the CWC to prove what they can do. Trust money is tough to come by now, just ask Rex Dawkins. They're back to playing in a paddock.
 
This is like Chinese water torture, but I was warned.
 
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Bluemagic wrote:
So when you say "stop any else going even semi-pro" you mean within your own limited frame of reference. So the question to you is "how is the lack of ambition in Auckland and other major NZ cities good for NZ football?".Maybe you just need to think bigger Bluemagic. After ACFC's performances at the CWC (which were fantastic for NZ football by the way), why not?
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      Because the chairman says they are�NOT friggin' allowed. If City go professional domestically, the Nix can't be in the A League. When I asked why don't we put an Auckland team in the A League alongside the Nix (provided we could find the funds) it's because the Asians�would seriously fight against�two NZ-based teams (they're already trying to scupper you guys), the other Australian clubs aren't keen and if City go that way they can't be in the CWC as Oceania champs, which is the�ONLY realistic way City could finance a professional team. See the VICIOUS CYCLE I'm talking about. So you're it guys.

        Please try to grasp this, it's not lack of ambition, the CWC results proved that. I would absolutely love it to have City in the A-League (or Auckland United) and so would a lot of supporters up here. We have some serious financial backers in the local Central Croats but they can't finance an A-League club without the CWC millions. I�also�admit �it would be hard to raise funds in Auckland, outside of CWC winnings, after the Knights debacle (imagine trying to launch another A-League team in Wellingon if the Nix imploded). If someone like Hart would invest $10 million in another A-league adventure it could happen but it would require taking on the AFC and I don't think we would win. I can't see another Auckland A League side (for the forseeable future) no matter how much ambition is thrown at it. City is a mighty ambitious little club but now we can only be that way within the CWC rules. Remember, we're effectively financing the whole NZFC now with our winnings.

     So Guys, don't tell us to think bigger, how about you guys thinking a little more locally instead. We're bustin' our guts within the constraints put upon us. The chairman mortgaged his property to send the team to the CWC to prove what they can do.�Trust money is tough to come by now, just ask Rex Dawkins. They're back to playing in a paddock.

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This is like Chinese water torture, but I was warned.

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We feel the same way you sanctimonious c*nt.

Same old Auckland, can't win an argument so fall back on insinuating that the rest of us can't see your glorious big picture.

And to think I was starting to come round to liking you.Smithy2010-01-14 22:09:17

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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