Did you even see him play/train...?
^this
But what dfo you mean by a fair shake of the stick?
You say you're not denying that NZ players are getting every opportunity to break into the phoenix setup,and training/trialling with them,so i don't understand how you can then turn around and say theyre not getting a fair shake of the stick? Its contradictory.
I'm saying this is the feedback I'm getting from good players jumping out of their skins to get a crack at the A league. Players who have proved themselves on the international stage (CWC). It may be wrong, as you guys keep saying, but this is the feeling up here. I happen to think there's some truth in it for all the reasons I've mentioned.
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But you even say theyre being looked at,and are getting the opportunity to train and trial with the phoenix. So really,theyre just miffed that theyre not good enough...?
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But you even say theyre being looked at,and are getting the opportunity to train and trial with the phoenix. So really,theyre just miffed that theyre not good enough...?
Kicking a ball in training is not game time. How do you know they're all not good enough if they never play? Costa is a shining example, only game time has brought him on, likewaise Siggy. The truth is most of the best players in the NZFC are not even getting trials.
You don't have a reserve team so unless you're in the first team, you effectively don't kick a ball in anger.
The big problem is it takes a lot of time and effort to grow players, it's much quicker in the short-term to buy in already established outsiders. The issue is that balance. It's a huge issue in the game all around the world. I think Ricki's under enormous pressure to deliver the playoffs this time - so it's obvious why he has opted for one more than the other.
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again,the herald never covers football. In no way should you judge footballings media coverage in NZ on that paper.
I wonder when i see that comment, because each time i read the Herald there seems to be an entire page devoted to football, perhaps the issue is that it generally isn't dedicated to local football, but rather features articles/tables from overseas?
I live in Ch-Ch and Tony Smith does a bloody good job here of keeping football in the paper and being a fellow paper to the Dom Post we often get Fred Woodcocks take on the Nix...
"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington
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By the way how is it that Old was rejected by Ricki, can't even get in the All Whites, yet plays in the Scottish premier division now?
Strange one this one, Old was very poor for the Nix, embarassing so at times, but really seems to have improved markedly to get a starting gig at Kilmarnock, good on him, but i don't think anyone who watched the Nix play would've have blamed them for getting rid of Old, certainly no-one on this forum, i seem to recall entire Threads dedicated to how crap he was...
Strange one this one, Old was very poor for the Nix, embarassing so at times, but really seems to have improved markedly to get a starting gig at Kilmarnock, good on him, but i don't think anyone who watched the Nix play would've have blamed them for getting rid of Old, certainly no-one on this forum, i seem to recall entire Threads dedicated to how crap he was...
"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington
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But you even say theyre being looked at,and are getting the opportunity to train and trial with the phoenix. So really,theyre just miffed that theyre not good enough...?
Kicking a ball in training is not game time. How do you know they're all not good enough if they never play? Costa is a shining example, only game time has brought him on, likewaise Siggy. The truth is most of the best players in the NZFC are not even getting trials.
You don't have a reserve team so unless you're in the first team, you effectively don't kick a ball in anger.
The big problem is it takes a lot of time and effort to grow players, it's much quicker in the short-term to buy in already established outsiders. The issue is that balance. It's a huge issue in the game all around the world. I think Ricki's under enormous pressure to deliver the playoffs this time - so it's obvious why he has opted for one more than the other.
They get plenty of gametime in the NZFC...
So what you're now suggesting,is that these players want pro contracts,even if theyre not up to A league standard in training and preseason/friendly games,and in the NZFC games. Just so they can get some A league game time (with the nix suffering results wise as a result of this...and then interest dropping in football because of this etc etc)
Yes,itd be lovely to have a reserve team. But i think smithy said it,NZFC clubs need to look at themselves as feeder clubs for the nix (essentially),and if they play well in the NZFC they'll get the chance to play in the A league through the nix,siggy is a great example of this,and there is absolutely no evidence to suggest this isnt happening.
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By the way how is it that Old was rejected by Ricki, can't even get in the All Whites, yet plays in the Scottish premier division now?
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The Scottish premiership is a higher standard than the A league matey and much more competitive.
Having seen Hearts play against Dinamo in Europa League earlier this season, I wouldn't be so sure...sure Celtic and Rangers are decent sides, but the rest are a sorry bunch.
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I'm saying this is the feedback I'm getting from good players jumping out of their skins to get a crack at the A league. Players who have proved themselves on the international stage (CWC). It may be wrong, as you guys keep saying,�but this is the feeling up here. I happen to think there's some truth in it for all the reasons I've mentioned.
See, once again you delve into the fantasy realm. Auckland City have a good CWC, and some of these players come back home and expect their phone to be ringing off the hook the very next day? And if it doesn't it means that Phoenix isn't interested in the best local players on the scene? What absolute bollocks. No professional club in the world will try to sign a bunch of amateur players in the midst of a hunt for a play-off spot in the most important season of therir short history. They're simply too much of a risk in that type of a situation.
It's all about patience - if they continue to assert themselves in the NZFC and show promise they could succeed at the professional level, the Phoenix will look at them - but in the pre-season, where there'll be time to have a good look at them, and give them the best opportunity to be adjust to the professional environment.
PS. Probably agree with you comments re: Hogg, thought he was vey good at the Olympics, but didn't think he particularly stood out against TW earlier in the season. But he's still young, sure he'll be looked at sooner rather than later.
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next you will be telling us that Adam Brown should be Phoenix CEO.
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This is an interesting debate.....there is no point slagging Bluemagic just coz he wears his heart on his sleave. He, like us is passionate about the NZ game and wants to see it advanced. We here in Wellington see it through slightly different eyes. We get to feel the Phoenix buzz week in week out, both on the pitch and through the media.
Put yourselves in his shoes for a moment....your local club AFc has just made a stellar performance on the world stage. A few weeks later its back to good old Auckland. SFA media coverage, bugger all crowds. Of course you want better for your club and your players.The negative reaction to his post has been bought about by dragging the Nix into it and of course we will rigourously defend our club. The thing is we should all be singing off the same song sheet. because deep down we all want the same thing....a strong vigorous NZ football scene.
I tend to be highly positive. Just think about what it was like 3 years ago....and then think where we are now. A highly competitive A-League side pushing for the playoffs, the AW's going to the WC. 5 kiwis playing pro football at Championship and EPL level, Aucklands stunning run at the club world champs. It has never been a better time to be a NZ football fan......and it will get even better.
In my lifetime I expect to see NZ to be in Asia, there will be 2 possibly 3 kiwi teams in the A-League and there will be probably 20-30 kiwis playing pro football at a high level in top leagues around the world. And I will shout Bluemagic a beer to celebrate the day when Auckland United wins the A-League.
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By the way how is it that Old was rejected by Ricki, can't even get in the All Whites, yet plays in the Scottish premier division now?
The Old Firm aside, this says more about Kilmarnock and the SPL than it does about the Nix and AW's
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But you even say theyre being looked at,and are getting the opportunity to train and trial with the phoenix. So really,theyre just miffed that theyre not good enough...?
Kicking a ball in training is not game time. How do you know they're all not good enough if they never play? Costa is a shining example, only game time has brought him on, likewaise Siggy. The truth is most of the best players in the NZFC are not even getting trials.
You don't have a reserve team so unless you're in the first team, you effectively don't kick a ball in anger.
The big problem is it takes a lot of time and effort to grow players, it's much quicker in the short-term to buy in already established outsiders. The issue is that balance. It's a huge issue in the game all around the world. I think Ricki's under enormous pressure to deliver the playoffs this time - so it's obvious why he has opted for one more than the other.
You're probably right, and rightly so. It was the stated goal from day 1 of the Nix so he should be doing everything he can to deliver.
Given the nature of the table and how precious every point is Ricki cannot be expected to experiment with new players in games so his only avenue to look at gauge players i sat training. That is why we need a reserve team, either in the youth league or the NZFC. The Nix are working hard to achieve either one of those which would deliver the opportunities you want but the fact that they haven't yet is not due to them so what more do you want from them?
One more thing comes to mind though. If these players who are not getting chances are so good, why are they still in Auckland? I am not trying to be rude here, it's a valid question. there are plenty of young Kiwis either at US Universities or foreign youth academies pushing themselves to achieve more. Even Smeltzy slogged around in the lower leagues and non-league teams for a few years before he got his chance. It's not enough simply to have played well in a couple of games, these guys won't get a shot simply because they think they should. They have to chase it. Siggy is a prime example, he got his chance because he was persistent.What are these guys doing other than moaning about not getting a chance?
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One more thing comes to mind though. If these players who are not getting chances are so good, why are they still in Auckland? I am not trying to be rude here, it's a valid question. there are plenty of young Kiwis either at US Universities or foreign youth academies� pushing themselves to achieve more. Even Smeltzy slogged around in the lower leagues and non-league teams for a few years before he got his chance. It's not enough simply to have played well in a couple of games, these guys won't get a shot simply because they think they should. They have to chase it. Siggy is a prime example, he got his chance because he was persistent.What are these guys doing other than moaning about not getting a chance?
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This is an interesting debate.....there is no point slagging Bluemagic just coz he wears his heart on his sleave. He, like us is passionate about the NZ game and wants to see it advanced.[...] The thing is we should all be singing off the same song sheet. because deep down we all want the same thing....a strong vigorous NZ football scene.
Bluemagic isn't being attacked for his passion. The main targets are inconsistency and ignorance.
Secondly, I frankly don't care if there's a strong, vigorous NZ football scene or not. I reasonably expect one to develop due to the situation in the international game, but my only football hope is that the teams I follow play well. That probably makes me a very poor patriot - so be it.
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I feel sorry for Bluemagic. His flawed logic also revealed his innermost desire, ie turn ACFC into a pro team. Has Bluemagic found out how many people bothered to watch Chathams Cup Final and NZFC finals on TV? If there is little demand for doemstic football games on TV, it is probably because these games lacked appeal. If spectators have to pay to watch these NZFC games and these only number two- or three-hundred at a time, you have to wonder about the quality of the product. Market is always right!! You can't blame the newspapers, tv stations and radio stations all the time. Dig dipper and you will find the bones!
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agree with D Rydal, Tony Smith does a fine job covering football for the Chch Press
less sure about WoodCock
but at least he hasn't interviewed Dick Palmer of the Tennis.
less sure about WoodCock
but at least he hasn't interviewed Dick Palmer of the Tennis.
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his innermost desire, ie turn ACFC into a pro team
Answer:FM10
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But you even say theyre being looked at,and are getting the opportunity to train and trial with the phoenix. So really,theyre just miffed that theyre not good enough...?
Kicking a ball in training is not game time. How do you know they're all not good enough if they never play? Costa is a shining example, only game time has brought him on, likewaise Siggy. The truth is most of the best players in the NZFC are not even getting trials.
You don't have a reserve team so unless you're in the first team, you effectively don't kick a ball in anger.
The big problem is it takes a lot of time and effort to grow players, it's much quicker in the short-term to buy in already established outsiders. The issue is that balance. It's a huge issue in the game all around the world. I think Ricki's under enormous pressure to deliver the playoffs this time - so it's obvious why he has opted for one more than the other.
You're probably right, and rightly so. It was the stated goal from day 1 of the Nix so he should be doing everything he can to deliver.
Given the nature of the table and how precious every point is Ricki cannot be expected to experiment with new players in games so his only avenue to look at gauge players i sat training. That is why we need a reserve team, either in the youth league or the NZFC. The Nix are working hard to achieve either one of those which would deliver the opportunities you want but the fact that they haven't yet is not due to them so what more do you want from them?
One more thing comes to mind though. If these players who are not getting chances are so good, why are they still in Auckland? I am not trying to be rude here, it's a valid question. there are plenty of young Kiwis either at US Universities or foreign youth academies pushing themselves to achieve more. Even Smeltzy slogged around in the lower leagues and non-league teams for a few years before he got his chance. It's not enough simply to have played well in a couple of games, these guys won't get a shot simply because they think they should. They have to chase it. Siggy is a prime example, he got his chance because he was persistent.What are these guys doing other than moaning about not getting a chance?
The American route is pretty tough now, I know several who have tried, and bloody expensive. They're not handing out scholarships to foreigners like they used to.
Smeltzy - I actually think he owes you guys. Ricki rescued him from failure in Britain (Halifax reserves anyone) turned him into a good A League striker and he buggered off for the Gold Coast first chance. I understand you even offered him the same financial deal as GCU. He's a German-born Australian (correct me if I'm wrong) who was lucky to get into the All Whites. Now he's sought-after, thanks to you guys and couldn't get away fast enough. I've been told he really wants to play for the Socceroos and can't now because of his AW status.
Tommy Smith shouldn't be going to South Africa - I'd rather it was Hogg or Haynes or Old.
You nailed it Tegal, I too think Ricki's under a lot of pressure to deliver this season and this mitigates against developing home-grown players because as you rightly say that is an experiment, so he is buying in. I fear the balance is getting out of kilter.
A reserve team playing in the NZFc would solve a lot of these problems, but they are professional players, and the rules are that the NZFC must be amateur. The very same rules that provide the Nix with the A league license. So we're all affected by this, you guys, City, et al. I'm not dumping down on the Nix, I'm trying to grapple with a very complex issue, and yes my blinkered, Auckland perspective, wants to help Kiwi players before imports. Is that such a crime?
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which part of you can't comprehend that New Zealand could not sustain a professional domestic league...A League license or no A League license???
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I feel sorry for Bluemagic. His flawed logic also revealed his innermost desire, ie turn ACFC into a pro team. Has Bluemagic found out how many people bothered to watch Chathams Cup Final and NZFC finals on TV? If there is little demand for doemstic football games on TV, it is probably because these games lacked appeal. If spectators have to pay to watch these NZFC games and these only number two- or three-hundred at a time, you have to wonder about the quality of the product. Market is always right!! You can't blame the newspapers, tv stations and radio stations all the time. Dig dipper and you will find the bones!
Please don't feel sorry for me AngusBeef and my logic isn't flawed, I love talking football. I don't even mind being patronized and insulted if it gets the discussion flowing.
It kills me that so many so-called football fans in this country can't be bothered to watch the local players. But if Beckham turns up to go through the motions - oh they pour out. I watch everything from the Phoenix down to the Chatham Cup and the youth teams and I get immense enjoyment out of it. I even love having a kick around in the park.
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Is that such a crime?
Yes, if it comes at the cost of a team's long-term future, for short term gain of a couple of players.
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This is an interesting debate.....there is no point slagging Bluemagic just coz he wears his heart on his sleave. He, like us is passionate about the NZ game and wants to see it advanced. We here in Wellington see it through slightly different eyes. We get to feel the Phoenix buzz week in week out, both on the pitch and through the media.
Put yourselves in his shoes for a moment....your local club AFc has just made a stellar performance on the world stage. A few weeks later its back to good old Auckland. SFA media coverage, bugger all crowds. Of course you want better for your club and your players.The negative reaction to his post has been bought about by dragging the Nix into it and of course we will rigourously defend our club. The thing is we should all be singing off the same song sheet. because deep down we all want the same thing....a strong vigorous NZ football scene.
I tend to be highly positive. Just think about what it was like 3 years ago....and then think where we are now. A highly competitive A-League side pushing for the playoffs, the AW's going to the WC. 5 kiwis playing pro football at Championship and EPL level, Aucklands stunning run at the club world champs. It has never been a better time to be a NZ football fan......and it will get even better.
In my lifetime I expect to see NZ to be in Asia, there will be 2 possibly 3 kiwi teams in the A-League and there will be probably 20-30 kiwis playing pro football at a high level in top leagues around the world. And I will shout Bluemagic a beer to celebrate the day when Auckland United wins the A-League.
Oh Zinidane. You've reduced RicLaRoc to tears and I've got a lump in my throat. I love your optimism, perhaps I've been battered and bruised too much through decades of under-achievement in NZ footy. I'm only dragging the Nix into this because we are all in this - together. You can't separate the Nix from NZ football because of the rules imposed.
A beer awaits you in the Kiwitea St clubhouse.
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But you even say theyre being looked at,and are getting the opportunity to train and trial with the phoenix. So really,theyre just miffed that theyre not good enough...?
I don't think enough NZ players are being seriously looked at (the two under 20 trainees don't count) because I'm talking about players in the 23-27 age band where they are ripe to step up into a professional level. It's a big step that requires a lot of effort. The question is - is enought effort being put into that. For me Siggy alone isn't enough.
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I think Bluemagic's basic problem is that he overestimates the amount of talent in Auckland City and NZFC in general.
You may be right - but what say you're wrong?
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I understand where you are coming from Blue magic, but I don't think Ricki can just sign up local talent for NZ's sake. I for one would love more kiwis in the squad and would love a youth team so more Rojas's and others could have a real stepping stone.
But Ricki is not employed by NZF and we aren't just in the League to make up the numbers or to develop NZ football. As much as we ALL want young kiwis to get contracts with the nix, at the end of the day the Phoenix is there to win.
Ricki hasn't really given in to pressures by taking imports over young kiwis. Its the right move as the Phoenix coach.
Ideally I would have 5 imports in the starting lineup, a marquee and a few strong aussies but the rest of the squad being primarily kiwi. But we have to have the talent. I would take Haynes or Coombes or Barron over Ferrante for sure. But he has a contract so we don't need another squad player... yet.
I would also take someone like Spoonley or Imray over Crowther simply because they are kiwi.
I don't think its just the Phoenix's job to find these guys, I think its up to them to either prove it on the field by out shining the rest of the league, or by actually going through the right steps to contact the nix.
But Ricki is not employed by NZF and we aren't just in the League to make up the numbers or to develop NZ football. As much as we ALL want young kiwis to get contracts with the nix, at the end of the day the Phoenix is there to win.
Ricki hasn't really given in to pressures by taking imports over young kiwis. Its the right move as the Phoenix coach.
Ideally I would have 5 imports in the starting lineup, a marquee and a few strong aussies but the rest of the squad being primarily kiwi. But we have to have the talent. I would take Haynes or Coombes or Barron over Ferrante for sure. But he has a contract so we don't need another squad player... yet.
I would also take someone like Spoonley or Imray over Crowther simply because they are kiwi.
I don't think its just the Phoenix's job to find these guys, I think its up to them to either prove it on the field by out shining the rest of the league, or by actually going through the right steps to contact the nix.
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Is that such a crime?
Yes, if it comes at the cost of a team's long-term future, for short term gain of a couple of players.
That is the question? Short term buy-ins versus long term development. This is the whole crux and why this is a good debate. I think there needs to be more of a fair balance.
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But you even say theyre being looked at,and are getting the opportunity to train and trial with the phoenix. So really,theyre just miffed that theyre not good enough...?
I don't think enough NZ players are being seriously looked at (the two under 20 trainees don't count) because I'm talking about players in the 23-27 age band where they are ripe to step up into a professional level. It's a big step that requires a lot of effort. The question is - is enought effort being put into that. For me Siggy alone isn't enough.
well we have given Old, Christie and Mulli a fair crack and they have all been pants.
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I understand where you are coming from Blue magic, but I don't think Ricki can just sign up local talent for NZ's sake. I for one would love more kiwis in the squad and would love a youth team so more Rojas's and others could have a real stepping stone.
But Ricki is not employed by NZF and we aren't just in the League to make up the numbers or to develop NZ football. As much as we ALL want young kiwis to get contracts with the nix, at the end of the day the Phoenix is there to win.
Ricki hasn't really given in to pressures by taking imports over young kiwis. Its the right move as the Phoenix coach.
Ideally I would have 5 imports in the starting lineup, a marquee and a few strong aussies but the rest of the squad being primarily kiwi. But we have to have the talent. I would take Haynes or Coombes or Barron over Ferrante for sure. But he has a contract so we don't need another squad player... yet.
I would also take someone like Spoonley or Imray over Crowther simply because they are kiwi.
I don't think its just the Phoenix's job to find these guys, I think its up to them to either prove it on the field by out shining the rest of the league, or by actually going through the right steps to contact the nix.
But Ricki is not employed by NZF and we aren't just in the League to make up the numbers or to develop NZ football. As much as we ALL want young kiwis to get contracts with the nix, at the end of the day the Phoenix is there to win.
Ricki hasn't really given in to pressures by taking imports over young kiwis. Its the right move as the Phoenix coach.
Ideally I would have 5 imports in the starting lineup, a marquee and a few strong aussies but the rest of the squad being primarily kiwi. But we have to have the talent. I would take Haynes or Coombes or Barron over Ferrante for sure. But he has a contract so we don't need another squad player... yet.
I would also take someone like Spoonley or Imray over Crowther simply because they are kiwi.
I don't think its just the Phoenix's job to find these guys, I think its up to them to either prove it on the field by out shining the rest of the league, or by actually going through the right steps to contact the nix.
Well put playwithFire. I'm not saying take anyone because they're kiwi. But as I say it's not easy for an amateur, no matter how good his natural talent, to hold down a full-time job then go to practice three nights a week and be eye-catching. They could do it if they trained full-time and got real game time, but it's not fair to dismiss all the best NZFC players because they're not show-stoppers. But that is imposed upon the local scene because of the rules!
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No, it's imposed on the local scene because of the financial realities of life.
Just like it is in all parts of the world where professional leagues end.
Just like it is in all parts of the world where professional leagues end.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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No, it's imposed on the local scene because of the financial realities of life.
Just like it is in all parts of the world where professional leagues end.
Just like it is in all parts of the world where professional leagues end.
Not quite true. City's coffers are brimming (even though we've given half to finance the rest of the NZFC) because of CWC winnings. But it can't be paid to the players (beyond very strict limits) so they have to keep full-time jobs. Thus they can't even be semi-pro and improve their skills.As Glenda Slagg says - GEDDIT?
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I understand where you are coming from Blue magic, but I don't think Ricki can just sign up local talent for NZ's sake. I for one would love more kiwis in the squad and would love a youth team so more Rojas's and others could have a real stepping stone.
But Ricki is not employed by NZF and we aren't just in the League to make up the numbers or to develop NZ football. As much as we ALL want young kiwis to get contracts with the nix, at the end of the day the Phoenix is there to win.
Ricki hasn't really given in to pressures by taking imports over young kiwis. Its the right move as the Phoenix coach.
Ideally I would have 5 imports in the starting lineup, a marquee and a few strong aussies but the rest of the squad being primarily kiwi. But we have to have the talent. I would take Haynes or Coombes or Barron over Ferrante for sure. But he has a contract so we don't need another squad player... yet.
I would also take someone like Spoonley or Imray over Crowther simply because they are kiwi.
I don't think its just the Phoenix's job to find these guys, I think its up to them to either prove it on the field by out shining the rest of the league, or by actually going through the right steps to contact the nix.
But Ricki is not employed by NZF and we aren't just in the League to make up the numbers or to develop NZ football. As much as we ALL want young kiwis to get contracts with the nix, at the end of the day the Phoenix is there to win.
Ricki hasn't really given in to pressures by taking imports over young kiwis. Its the right move as the Phoenix coach.
Ideally I would have 5 imports in the starting lineup, a marquee and a few strong aussies but the rest of the squad being primarily kiwi. But we have to have the talent. I would take Haynes or Coombes or Barron over Ferrante for sure. But he has a contract so we don't need another squad player... yet.
I would also take someone like Spoonley or Imray over Crowther simply because they are kiwi.
I don't think its just the Phoenix's job to find these guys, I think its up to them to either prove it on the field by out shining the rest of the league, or by actually going through the right steps to contact the nix.
Well put playwithFire. I'm not saying take anyone because they're kiwi. But as I say it's not easy for an amateur, no matter how good his natural talent, to hold down a full-time job then go to practice three nights a week and be eye-catching. They could do it if they trained full-time and got real game time, but it's not fair to dismiss all the best NZFC players because they're not show-stoppers. But that is imposed upon the local scene because of the rules!
(as well as being a given that no NZ team could ever sustain professionalism)
Aren't you just talking BS here? We were allowed a team in the A-League due to there being no professional league here. In what way however is that forcing amateurism on NZ teams? You are trying to swing things around to suit your crappy argument.
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I think Bluemagic's basic problem is that he overestimates the amount of talent in Auckland City and NZFC in general.
You may be right - but what say you're wrong?
If I'm wrong, then we'll start seeing lot more NZFC players at the Phoenix. If they are capable of performing at the level of the imports that are now in the team, then they'll besigned, both because of commercial realities and the fact they're from New Zealand.
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Bluemagic,so what you're saying is you'd like ACFC to turn pro or all teams in the NZFC? sanday2010-01-15 15:59:00
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No, it's imposed on the local scene because of the financial realities of life.
Just like it is in all parts of the world where professional leagues end.
Just like it is in all parts of the world where professional leagues end.
Not quite true. City's coffers are brimming (even though we've given half to finance the rest of the NZFC) because of CWC winnings. But it can't be paid to the players (beyond very strict limits) so they have to keep full-time jobs. Thus they can't even be semi-pro and improve their skills.As Glenda Slagg says - GEDDIT?
Great news for those applying to Trillian this year - as you undoubtably won't be applying, given you have more money than you know what to do with
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Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
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http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather_cams/cmon0102
Quite right Jag.
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What happens if Auckland City dont make the CWC again? That money would quickly dry up. So its not guaranteed income and therefore not a stable investment. Cant sustain a pro team on imaginary money that MAY be earned in the future. steelo2010-01-15 16:50:37
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Well put playwithFire. I'm not saying take anyone because they're kiwi. But as I say it's not easy for an amateur, no matter how good his natural talent, to hold down a full-time job then go to practice three nights a week and be eye-catching. They could do it if they trained full-time and got real game time, but it's not fair to dismiss all the best NZFC players because they're not show-stoppers. But that is imposed upon the local scene because of the rules!
Yeah I understand this too but thats when it gets hard for Ricki and co. too. It'll be hard for them to put their trust in signing one of these guys and hope they have potential. So its a better bet to just look at the younger types like Rojas if they aren't certain that the NZFC players have got it. Which there lies the problem..
Also, I doubt that ACFC could go fully pro until ALL the NZFC clubs had enough cash, and support
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No, it's imposed on the local scene because of the financial realities of life.
Just like it is in all parts of the world where professional leagues end.
Just like it is in all parts of the world where professional leagues end.
Not quite true. City's coffers are brimming (even though we've given half to finance the rest of the NZFC) because of CWC winnings. But it can't be paid to the players (beyond very strict limits) so they have to keep full-time jobs. Thus they can't even be semi-pro and improve their skills.As Glenda Slagg says - GEDDIT?
If I can play your topic title back at you, how would this help NZ football? You would have one team with all the top (Nix players aside) players in the country beating everyone (a bit like Man U b4 Abramovich since you like your EPL comparisons) or even worse, stacked full of imports. There would instantly be even less interest in the NZFC and less development of local talent.
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