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Ian Hogg (Wellington Phoenix)

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over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

Here are some statistics/facts for you:


90% of people who post opinions about Ian Hogg on here have not seen him play for Auckland and of those 90%, 100% call the Auckland fans the knitting circle. 


93% of those who call the Auckland fans the knitting circle have no idea why and are simply following the other 7%.


100% of Auckland fans have no idea what the knitting circle is and think that the 86% of Feenicks fans who call them such are twats.


Zinidine is correct, however, it gives me great pleasure when I get a condecending repy to my posts and so I will continue to post.

About 5% of people on here care about what you contribute to this forum. 100% of those people are laughing at you every time. The other 95% of people just carried on living their lives. 

Fuck this stupid game

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over 13 years ago

Back on topic, it sounds like Hogg hasn't shown enough to warrant a new contract when his current one expires. There's a lot of Gavin Wilkinson (Timbers GM) hate going around in Portland at the moment, and the decision to bring Hogg to the club is being used by the supporters as an argument as to why GW is incompetent. It's looking very unlikely that he'll be at the Timbers next year, and even less likely that he will be playing for the first team.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Back on topic, it sounds like Hogg hasn't shown enough to warrant a new contract when his current one expires. There's a lot of Gavin Wilkinson (Timbers GM) hate going around in Portland at the moment, and the decision to bring Hogg to the club is being used by the supporters as an argument as to why GW is incompetent. It's looking very unlikely that he'll be at the Timbers next year, and even less likely that he will be playing for the first team.


Thats a shame.  WOuld have been great to see him excel there.  Hopefully he gets a chance with another club over there.
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over 13 years ago

Might have a better look in at a League 2 club in the UK.

How was his trials in the UK going before he decided to dash across the Atlantic?

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over 13 years ago

At the moment I'd rather have Hoggy in the Phoenix side than Lochead - he's cruising again, getting caught in possession and out of position too often

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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over 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Back on topic, it sounds like Hogg hasn't shown enough to warrant a new contract when his current one expires. There's a lot of Gavin Wilkinson (Timbers GM) hate going around in Portland at the moment, and the decision to bring Hogg to the club is being used by the supporters as an argument as to why GW is incompetent. It's looking very unlikely that he'll be at the Timbers next year, and even less likely that he will be playing for the first team.


he only played two games. i hardly think they're going to cut him based on that. that poll was ridiculous


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over 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Back on topic, it sounds like Hogg hasn't shown enough to warrant a new contract when his current one expires. There's a lot of Gavin Wilkinson (Timbers GM) hate going around in Portland at the moment, and the decision to bring Hogg to the club is being used by the supporters as an argument as to why GW is incompetent. It's looking very unlikely that he'll be at the Timbers next year, and even less likely that he will be playing for the first team.


he only played two games. i hardly think they're going to cut him based on that. that poll was ridiculous

I wasn't referring to the poll at all, I have been talking to some people close to the club in Portland.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Back on topic, it sounds like Hogg hasn't shown enough to warrant a new contract when his current one expires. There's a lot of Gavin Wilkinson (Timbers GM) hate going around in Portland at the moment, and the decision to bring Hogg to the club is being used by the supporters as an argument as to why GW is incompetent. It's looking very unlikely that he'll be at the Timbers next year, and even less likely that he will be playing for the first team.


he only played two games. i hardly think they're going to cut him based on that. that poll was ridiculous


He was only signed on a short term contract, wasn't he? Plus he hasn't been anywhere near the first team, and counts as an import. 
Not looking good for him.
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over 13 years ago

He was signed as a "replacement" for one of the first team defenders, but couldn't even make the reserve team, and I don't think that was because of injury. All signs pointing to him being let go when his contract is up.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 13 years ago

PROAK wrote:

At the moment I'd rather have Hoggy in the Phoenix side than Lochead - he's cruising again, getting caught in possession and out of position too often

Disagree  think Lochhead was in some form early in the season and in the AW games. Seemed to do well with fenton in front of him. Two losses on the trot make it harder to see


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over 13 years ago

He's been waived by Portland so will enter the Waiver Draft on monday (US time)

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over 13 years ago
Sign him up nix

Auckland will rise once more

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over 13 years ago

That's a shame.

Especially when it means that Zinidane committed forum hari-kari for pretty much no good reason.


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over 13 years ago

Sign him up nix

So we can have 3 left backs?

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over 13 years ago

he can probably play right back


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over 13 years ago

It's a shame, but it was always going to happen.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

he can probably play right back


He's very left footed, why would we want to do that?
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over 13 years ago

Good luck to him... perhaps he'll head back to the UK and try to get picked up in the January window.

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over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

sarcasm


Sorry, my sarcasm radar has been off the last couple of days.
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over 13 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Good luck to him... perhaps he'll head back to the UK and try to get picked up in the January window.


More likely he'll be back here in time for CWC.
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over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Sign him up nix

So we can have 3 left backs?

I believe we only have one in our first team squad and that one needs to have some pressure put on him for his position. Or are you counting manny?

Auckland will rise once more

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over 13 years ago

Luke Rowe who played in the game against the heart. I know you're putting bait out there to say "he is in the FSE not the first team squad" but lets not split hairs here. He is a player at the club,and he is a left back. 


Allegedly

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

I thought you may take that bait tegal :) Using that rationale however we would never add to our playing resources as I am sure the players in the academy could cover all playing positions. The bottom line is that Luke Rowe was not deemed worthy of a position as a youth player despite us having no logical back up in the squad. I was all for Luke Rowe a season ago but having seen him a couple of times this year, he still is very much a work in progress and short of lochead breaking his leg will not get a look in (especially as he is not in the squad. There are places left in the squad and in my opinion Hogg has the potential to push lochead for a spot.


Auckland will rise once more

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over 13 years ago

Hogg couldn't even make it into the reserves team at Portland, let alone their first team. Based on how the Timbers played last season, I would say that the Phoenix and the Timbers are very level in terms of playing quality, and the Nix are possibly slightly better. There is no way Hogg is anywhere near pushing Lochhead for a starting spot.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 13 years ago

But...he's a kiwi playing overseas...he must be good. 


Allegedly

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over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

But...he's a kiwi playing overseas...he must be good. 

Others will have seen Rowe more than me but I'm not convinced Rowe is better than Hogg or that either of them is good enough to make our starting XI (on the assumption that we are a top 4 team).  

Normo's coming home

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over 13 years ago

Agreed. Thats reflected by the fact that Rowe is in the FSE, and Hogg hasn't been signed up at all. Wouldn't mind Hogg if he were an improvement, or even similar in ability to Lochead, but don't think he is. Therefore signing him, would only give us 3 left backs, and wouldn't offer us anything much more in terms of cover than what Rowe essentially does for next to nothing.


Allegedly

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over 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Hogg couldn't even make it into the reserves team at Portland, let alone their first team. Based on how the Timbers played last season, I would say that the Phoenix and the Timbers are very level in terms of playing quality, and the Nix are possibly slightly better. There is no way Hogg is anywhere near pushing Lochhead for a starting spot.

Hogg was injured and unable to train for long periods of his time at Portland Timbers. Every game he was available for he played in and started albeit reserve team. He has come back to recover and do rehab before heading back overseas. Interesting some forum uses question his abilty. I think his ability on the world stage has been top draw. Made World Club Cup side not long ago alongside players such as Messi and Dani Alves, not bad for a kiwi lad. Also for age groups and Olympic teams he has been one of our top performers. For the All Whites he hasnt put a foot wrong. I understand people on here love to knock players who have ties with Auckland City but before making comments on players, people should look at a players performance and what they have achieved first.
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over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

But...he's a kiwi playing overseas...he must be good. 


Correction... he's a kiwi playing overseas... that scored that one goal that one time... he must be amazing.

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over 13 years ago

Playmaker1 wrote:

 I understand people on here love to knock players who have ties with Auckland City but before making comments on players, people should look at a players performance and what they have achieved first.


I understand people on here with ties to Auckland City like to assume that the Feverites know nothing about who they are posting about, but before making comments on our comments, look at where we actually got our information from.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Playmaker1 wrote:

 I understand people on here love to knock players who have ties with Auckland City but before making comments on players, people should look at a players performance and what they have achieved first.


I understand people on here with ties to Auckland City like to assume that the Feverites know nothing about who they are posting about, but before making comments on our comments, look at where we actually got our information from.


Sorry Playmaker1 - you committed a cardinal sin and mentioned Auckland City, therefore your opinions are worthless and will be shot down in flames and derision.

I really can't imagine that the majority of people on here can base their opinions on Ian Hogg on anything resembling first hand experience - What? You all go to Auckland City games? Or did you see them on the TV coverage of the ASBP?... Oh... Wait.

After his first game for the All Whites you were all like "Sign him up, sign him up!" and now it's back to "He's not good enough"

Auckland City FC

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over 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Playmaker1 wrote:

 I understand people on here love to knock players who have ties with Auckland City but before making comments on players, people should look at a players performance and what they have achieved first.


I understand people on here with ties to Auckland City like to assume that the Feverites know nothing about who they are posting about, but before making comments on our comments, look at where we actually got our information from.


Hey! Welcome in Playmaker1! We welcome new members here! Oh wait... You mentioned Auckland City.

Auckland City FC

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over 13 years ago

As a football fan i do try to get along to as many games as i can at both Waitakere and Auckland. I do read this forum and from what i read many have a grudge or arguement against Auckland. Some of the arguements against Auckland City i agree with. But im all for players recieving fair treatment. Hogg has served both club and country well yet everyone wants to knock the boy. I dont understand why people want to see our young talent fail. That goes for any young lad. Majority of young players will face setbacks but good on them for giving it a crack. Im sure a player of Hoggs ability will move on and get a deal somewhere else.

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over 13 years ago

Playmaker1 wrote:

. Hogg has served both club and country well yet everyone wants to knock the boy.


True - of all the players that left after last season Hogg was the biggest loss to ACFC

Auckland City FC

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over 13 years ago

I think Hogg's a good player. I just don't think that he's good enough to dislodge Tony Lochhead at the Phoenix yet (if that's even what he wants to do) and Luke Rowe provides cheaper cover for what is quite a specialist position.

There was an inference from some that when he signed for Portland the Nix had somehow missed the boat or failed to spot an emerging Kiwi talent they could have signed. Hogg being let go by Portland appears to de-bunk that theory somewhat, sad as that is for Hogg.

I hope he gets a good gig somewhere else. He probably will be needed by the All Whites at some point in the future.


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over 13 years ago

Maybe he can join Rory at aberdeen

Auckland City FC

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over 13 years ago

 If we were to get a LB it has to be on that is better than Lochhead. Don't think it would be a good move for Hogg to come here if he is just going to compete for a bench spot. He's young and should look for somewhere he would get game time.

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over 13 years ago

There's a difference between 'knocking' a player, and saying that he isn't as good as another player. People suggested that if he were at the Nix, he would be pushing Lochhead for the starting spot, and I said that he isn't close to pushing Lochhhead, yet. Did I say that he was a crap player? No. 

If you think that just because you are a ACFC supporter your opinions are considered worthless by everyone on here, then think again. I have no problem with your opinions on the matter, in fact I like hearing opinions from a different angle. What I don't like is being told that because I am not from Auckland, that I am not allowed to express my own opinion of an Auckland based player, playing for a team that I actually support and follow quite closely.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

There's a difference between 'knocking' a player, and saying that he isn't as good as another player. People suggested that if he were at the Nix, he would be pushing Lochhead for the starting spot, and I said that he isn't close to pushing Lochhhead, yet. Did I say that he was a crap player? No. 

If you think that just because you are a ACFC supporter your opinions are considered worthless by everyone on here, then think again. I have no problem with your opinions on the matter, in fact I like hearing opinions from a different angle. What I don't like is being told that because I am not from Auckland, that I am not allowed to express my own opinion of an Auckland based player, playing for a team that I actually support and follow quite closely.



I'm going to say that from his All White play he would be pushing for a starting spot. I think he's quicker than Lochy and has shown a better shot. Two positives to start with.


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