Keeper Angst V1.08

Won't find one?� That's true, but not in the way that you think it is, oh keeper of the 'keeper numbers.� I found three pretty quickly, all from big teams in the current season.� I'm sure that there's plenty more out there.ArsenalMannone 5 EPL games conceded 5 goals - an average of 1 goal/matchAlmunia 8 EPL games conceded 13 goals - an average of 1.625 goals/match

Nah. If Paston had played they'd have scored 26 in the first game and 28 in the second. I know you think that's unlikely, but I'd like you to prove otherwise with statistics from this season.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]If Crowther had played against Melbourne or GCU, they would've scored a negative number of goals in every game. I know you think that's impossible, but I'd like you to prove otherwise with statistics from this season.

How many points is one of Paston's fly-kick slices into row Z worth?

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How many points is one of Paston's fly-kick slices into row Z worth?

haha hes also forgotten pastons 1st couple of games this season. The joys of school holidays

Here is something on Kepper Stats.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/blog.php?b=1867

haha hes also forgotten pastons 1st couple of games this season. The joys of school holidays

I know you've written all of that.  It's just that you're wrong.  A-League teams differ in their offensive ability (e.g. Adelaide do not have much going forward this season) and have different vulnerabilities (e.g. GCU only look flash if you don't take them on in midfield).  If you want to compare Crowther and Paston with teams of equal offensive ability, then that'd better be comparing their performance against the very same team.  Here's the numbers:

vs. Newcastle Jets, Crowther has kept a clean sheet and Paston has conceded 3.  Were it not for Paston letting so many through, the Jets would be scoring at less than a goal a game.
vs. Perth Glory, they've both conceded 1 goal.

(I'm leaving off the Roar, because they changed their system to add weight to the attack recently, so their offensive ability clearly isn't equal to itself.)

If that's the test (and this is your standard, not mine), then Crowther is better than Paston.

[quote=wellyphoenixfan]Saying statistics don't tell a story is just not right. I am not saying it doesn't show everything but it is a VERY good indicate a majority of the time.

Here is an interesting stat.
Mitchell Langerak has the most consistent pose in an action shot.

vs. Newcastle Jets, Crowther has kept a clean sheet and Paston has conceded 3. Were it not for Paston letting so many through, the Jets would be scoring at less than a goal a game.
vs. Perth Glory, they've both conceded 1 goal.

(I'm leaving off the Roar, because they changed their system to add weight to the attack recently, so their offensive ability clearly isn't equal to itself.)

If that's the test (and this is your standard, not mine), then Crowther is better than Paston.

he kinda looks like pasty to me, younger and skinnier.

And he is a better keeper then Moss like Paston.

You are unbearable.

Impressive achievements? Wait impressible sorry great english there. GCU was not 'impressible' it was a great attacking effort and we dominated their midfield- hence naught got to Paston. But I guess he was telling Tim Brown exactly what to do?

Sorry I can be wrong Stripes, I am human. I should of included that but I thought you would find a similar example in the A-League. Of course my statement that you would never find one was obviously not right (Can't be stuffed proving it wrong) but in the majority of cases like over 70% the better keeper has the better stats. Also if I have given the impression that I believe stats tell the full story I didn't mean to give this impression. I was just using the same variables for both and ignored stuff like conditions where it could change it however conditions are fairly constant with few extremes (However Paston has faced a few). Note though that conditions were generally favourable to Crowther.[/quote]

There were extreme cases.  Especially the game against the Roar, where they had a new manager and flooded the midfield.  I also think that Sydney have Ricki's number, but that's more a matter of opinion.



It's not my bias.  You wanted to do a comparison against teams of equal offensive ability.  Obviously, no two teams in the A-League have an exactly equal offensive ability, though it is somewhat true to say that a team's offensive ability is equal to its own offensive ability.  Don't blame me for your own bizarre standards!

At any rate, your sample wasn't random, but you've pretended that it was.  That's a form of bias.  You also won't show the margin of error, though from the small samples involved I'm pretty confident that it would deflate your argument.  (I assume that you know how to calculate it, because you keep going on about statistics.)  That's beyond bias and into attempted deceit.

If you go up-thread to look at the shot-stopping example, where I was setting the parameters, it actually supported the claim that Paston was a better 'keeper (on the strength of his stopping), although the margin was in some doubt.

[QUOTE=wellyphoenixfan]I have also said Pastons worst game this season was the first but it is unacceptable he let in three to such a terrible defence.

Perhaps I should look at using these methods. However it takes out the organisational part of a GKs game and keepers like Cech and Paston would be punished.