Wellington Phoenix Men

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
oh my gawd, Perth are only one point behind us!!! Hope we can put them away on Saturday morning.

what's our record against them? (not that it means much but might make me feel better)


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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Our record against Perth is pretty decent I think - we've won more than we've lost - but I only remember one win in Perth when Brown put Daniel(?) through after an interception

a.haak

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

There will only be one game at Westpac from what I can see....and that'll only happen if the Phoenix finish 4th.

Let's face it...the Phoenix won't get up to third, and whoever does get third will beat comfortably whoever gets sixth at home.  Then, provided the Phoenix can beat the 5th placed side at home (which they should), it'll be off to the home of the 3rd place side...and beyond that to the home(s) of the 2nd and/or 1st placed sides.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The way the A-League is running at the moment, I really don't think you can be THAT confident that 3 will beat 6. Agree that we are looking at 4th at best.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

trying to see into the playoffs future  is going to be a way a fair few nix fans waste many hours over the next few weeks i reckon

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
aitkenmike wrote:
The way the A-League is running at the moment, I really don't think you can be THAT confident that 3 will beat 6.
Especially if third ended up being Sydney without Brosque or GCU without Smeltz or Melbourne without Hernandez.
 
 
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Whitby boy wrote:
Robb wrote:
Potential clashes:

Hurricanes v. Force - 20 Feb
Black Caps v. Australia - 13 Mar

 
I can remember rugby and Nix playing at the stadium the same weekend before.
 
I think it may have been Friday night and Sunday afternoon games. If we get a home semi, with the Canes playing Saturday night, we would have to play Friday night or Sunday pm.
 
It would need the grounds staff to "convert" the field from soccer to rugby, or visa versa, in less than 24 hours. I would have thought that would be possible.
 
 
Unless the A-League change their mind, they have set the actual dates for each playoff game. Presumably, they've done this as part of the TV deal.
 
4 v 5 is 21 Feb, so should be fine for us. 1 v 2 and 3 v 6 would be a clash - but I very much doubt we'll be in the top 3 with our remaining fixtures.
 
3/6 v 4/5 is 7 March. We have a chance of hosting that if 6th beats 3rd.
 
And 1/2 v 3/6/4/5 is 13 March, but let's face it - we've got such a small chance of finishing in the top 2 in order to host that game. And if we did, our current form would be so good, we'd probably have won 1 v2 in the first place to not be in this game anyway!
 
In the event of a clash like one of the above clashing with a pre-agreed rugby fixture, perhaps they would be prepared to entertain a swap? But according to the info given to us at the beginning of the season, we couldn't move our two games that we've given up home advantage for so unless that was a smoke screen, I wouldn't hold my breath.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
PS Perhaps I'm a wee bit pessimistic about our record away from home, but at this point I thnk we will finish 6th anyway - obviously I hope I'm wrong.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nix as 6th versus 3rd migt not be to bas if we won and then got home advantage the next time as opposed to 2 away games potentially....roll the dice.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Boro4eva wrote:
Nix as 6th versus 3rd migt not be to bas if we won and then got home advantage the next time as opposed to 2 away games potentially....roll the dice.
 
You cannot get a home play-off game if you finish 6th. If you win against 3rd you are then away to the winner of 4th vs 5th.
 
Home advantage is determined by your position on the league table at the end of the regular season - that's my understanding anyway.
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah I think we may in the end finish 6th. Don't want to. But I feel like we could really get on a roll if we beat Perth (would that be our most consecutive wins?). And from there who know, top 3 isn't out of the question if we beat Melbourne


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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
playwithFire wrote:
Yeah I think we may in the end finish 6th. Don't want to. But I feel like we could really get on a roll if we beat Perth (would that be our most consecutive wins?). And from there who know, top 3 isn't out of the question if we beat Melbourne
 
It's when we have to keep count of the "ifs" required to finish third, that I don't like to get my hopes up by even considering 3rd!
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Whitby boy wrote:
Boro4eva wrote:
Nix as 6th versus 3rd migt not be to bas if we won and then got home advantage the next time as opposed to 2 away games potentially....roll the dice.
 
You cannot get a home play-off game if you finish 6th. If you win against 3rd you are then away to the winner of 4th vs 5th.
 
Home advantage is determined by your position on the league table at the end of the regular season - that's my understanding anyway.
 
I believe you're right WB, but it's not as far as I know 100% confirmed. I did see an A-League document that hinted that was the case without actually making it definite.
 
However, that same document discussed yellow card suspensions up to 21 games and didn't say anything about the rest of the season, as though they forgot the season is now 27 games. That took some of my confidence away from its trustworthiness. I found it when I was trying to find out if the A-League operate a split level yellow card approach like some leagues (e.g. 4 in the first 21 games is a suspension, but after 21 games you need to get your 5th for the season to get a suspension). Gone off topic there, sorry - though if anyone knows for sure feel free to say.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SiNZ wrote:
Whitby boy wrote:
Boro4eva wrote:
Nix as 6th versus 3rd migt not be to bas if we won and then got home advantage the next time as opposed to 2 away games potentially....roll the dice.
 
You cannot get a home play-off game if you finish 6th. If you win against 3rd you are then away to the winner of 4th vs 5th.
 
Home advantage is determined by your position on the league table at the end of the regular season - that's my understanding anyway.
 
I believe you're right WB, but it's not as far as I know 100% confirmed. I did see an A-League document that hinted that was the case without actually making it definite.
 
Confirmed in this document...
 
"The highest placed team to advance to match D will be considered the home team"
 
So the Phoenix can only host two playoff matches if they finish third....which they won't.
 
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Perennial strugglers Liverpoolfan1 wrote:
So the Phoenix can only host two playoff matches if they finish third....which they won't.

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Great reverse jinx LF1!

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
would have liked the playoffs to have more games over two legs


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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Perennial strugglers Liverpoolfan1 wrote:
SiNZ wrote:
Whitby boy wrote:
Boro4eva wrote:
Nix as 6th versus 3rd migt not be to bas if we won and then got home advantage the next time as opposed to 2 away games potentially....roll the dice.
 
You cannot get a home play-off game if you finish 6th. If you win against 3rd you are then away to the winner of 4th vs 5th.
 
Home advantage is determined by your position on the league table at the end of the regular season - that's my understanding anyway.
 
I believe you're right WB, but it's not as far as I know 100% confirmed. I did see an A-League document that hinted that was the case without actually making it definite.
 
Confirmed in this document...
 
"The highest placed team to advance to match D will be considered the home team"
 
So the Phoenix can only host two playoff matches if they finish third....which they won't.
 
 
My bad..I was working off WBs post on page 7 which I thought said winner of b was at home to winner of C...with 3rd v 6th being B and 4th v 5th C.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Whitby boy wrote:
Robb wrote:
Potential clashes:

Hurricanes v. Force - 20 Feb
Black Caps v. Australia - 13 Mar

 
I can remember rugby and Nix playing at the stadium the same weekend before.
 
I think it may have been Friday night and Sunday afternoon games. If we get a home semi, with the Canes playing Saturday night, we would have to play Friday night or Sunday pm.
 
It would need the grounds staff to "convert" the field from soccer to rugby, or visa versa, in less than 24 hours. I would have thought that would be possible.
 
 
This is not a problem, we did it a few times last year. We have been keeping an eye on the possiblity of a home playoff that weekend and we're prepared for it.
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
TopLeft07 wrote:
Whitby boy wrote:
Robb wrote:
Potential clashes:

Hurricanes v. Force - 20 Feb
Black Caps v. Australia - 13 Mar

 
I can remember rugby and Nix playing at the stadium the same weekend before.
 
I think it may have been Friday night and Sunday afternoon games. If we get a home semi, with the Canes playing Saturday night, we would have to play Friday night or Sunday pm.
 
It would need the grounds staff to "convert" the field from soccer to rugby, or visa versa, in less than 24 hours. I would have thought that would be possible.
 
 
This is not a problem, we did it a few times last year. We have been keeping an eye on the possiblity of a home playoff that weekend and we're prepared for it.
 
Top man TopLeft.
 
Make it happen, almighty Paston, make it happen. Amen
 

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
playwithFire wrote:
would have liked the playoffs to have more games over two legs
 
2 legs means someone has to have a bye at some point because of the weird number (6). The more 2 legged matches,the more bye rounds. Which isnt ideal in a final series where momentum is key.
 
Its a disadvantage for the winner of 1v2 to win it almost as they have the bye the week before the grand final. The only saving grace for that is you get the massive advantage of getting to host the final at home. So I'd almost say GCU would want to lose over 2 legs (provided they make top 2) as they probably wont even get to host the grand final.

Allegedly

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Perennial strugglers Liverpoolfan1 wrote:

Confirmed in this document...


Interestingly, that document is not at all clear about who hosts the final (subject to stadium criteria, one would assume) - the winner of 1v2 or highest place team?
I may have missed it in the attached.

Anyone know? Or is the FFA just trying to keep their options open.

I know, I know, its serious!

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Turfmoore wrote:
[QUOTE=Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpoolfan1]
Confirmed in this document...


Interestingly, that document is not at all clear about who hosts the final (subject to stadium criteria, one would assume) - the winner of 1v2 or highest place team?
I may have missed it in the attached.

Anyone know? Or is the FFA just trying to keep their options open.[/QUOTE]
 
perhaps so, ...
 
.... got to keep the options open .....
 
... "same old Aussie's always bribing"
 
(it's a joke, Ben B, joke)
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
One would assume that winner of 1 v. 2 would host the final (allowing for a big enough stadium). Stranger things have happened though.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
TopLeft07 wrote:
Whitby boy wrote:

 
I can remember rugby and Nix playing at the stadium the same weekend before.
 
I think it may have been Friday night and Sunday afternoon games. If we get a home semi, with the Canes playing Saturday night, we would have to play Friday night or Sunday pm.
 
It would need the grounds staff to "convert" the field from soccer to rugby, or visa versa, in less than 24 hours. I would have thought that would be possible.
 
 
This is not a problem, we did it a few times last year. We have been keeping an eye on the possiblity of a home playoff that weekend and we're prepared for it.


I think the last time this happened was 19/20 September 2009. The All Blacks played Aussie on Saturday night and the Phoenix played the Fury on Sunday at 3pm.

I remember being amazed at how good the ground looked. You couldn't tell there was a rugby test played on it less than 24 hours earlier at all.

Westpac always looks fantastic though, the ground staff do an amazing job.
 
terminator_x2010-01-22 21:34:06

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah we worked around the clock for that one because of the (earlier) 3pm kick off but it came up all right. The rugby/football change overs are pretty easy going really, the challenge is cricket set up.

And cheers tx.

The nix for fourth! (back on topic)
Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
CCM 1 GCU 1
 
  Pl W D L F A GD Pts Gold Coast United 24 12 5 7 37 32 5 41 Sydney FC 23 12 3 8 27 19 8 39 Melbourne Victory 22 11 5 6 39 29 10 38 Newcastle Jets 23 10 4 9 30 35 -5 34 Wellington Phoenix 22 7 10 5 32 23 9 31 Perth Glory 23 8 6 9 31 30 1 30 Central Coast Mariners 24 6 9 9 28 23 5 27 Brisbane Roar 23 7 5 11 30 37 -7 26 North Queensland Fury 23 6 7 10 24 41 -17 25 Adelaide United 23 5 8 10 20 29 -9 23
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Heading for 6th spot after this round.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Oh, we're at it now.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
6th spot now. sh*t, gotta get a point from Melbourne boys


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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
CCM's failure to get all 3 points tonight is good news for us. We can't take a top 6 spot for granted.
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
we are DOOMED !
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
we are so fking exposed now...
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Therk wrote:
we are so fking exposed now...


Keep your pants on - there's still a week before we are really showing the low hanging fruit.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Perth 2 Phoenix 0
 
  Pl W D L F A GD Pts Gold Coast United 24 12 5 7 37 32 5 41 Sydney FC 23 12 3 8 27 19 8 39 Melbourne Victory 22 11 5 6 39 29 10 38 Newcastle Jets 23 10 4 9 30 35 -5 34 Perth Glory 24 9 6 9 33 30 3 33 Wellington Phoenix 23 7 10 6 32 25 7 31 Central Coast Mariners 24 6 9 9 28 23 5 27 Brisbane Roar 23 7 5 11 30 37 -7 26 North Queensland Fury 23 6 7 10 24 41 -17 25 Adelaide United 23 5 8 10 20 29 -9 23
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

theres still hope.

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
mais bien sur!

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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
This is how it pans out...
 
Jets play Syd(a), Fury(a), CCM(a), Adel(h)....prob results  LWWW  finish on 43 points
 
Perth play CCM(h), Syd(a), Roar(h)...prob results WLW  finish on 39 points
 
Phoenix play Melb(a), Adel(h), GC(a), CCM(h) prob results LWLW  finish on 37 points
 
CCM play Perth(a), Jets(h), Nix(a) prob results LLL  finish on 28 points
 
Can't see us making 4th unless the jets implode. So its us vs Perth for 5th. In the finals we will probably either play the Jets away or Melbourne/sydney or GC away. Mind you this is the A-League...so expect weird results....we will probably beat Melbourne and lose to Adelaide!!!!!!
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
If we do end up 6th (and I'll be happy with any play-off spot) I would rather we played GCU than either Melbourne or Sydney - Melbourne are looking ominous and we were sh*t against Sydney all 3 games. GCU looked average last night against CCM , especially when the Mariners muscled up.
 
Hoping both Sydney and Melbourne win this weekend to push GCU back to 3rd.
 
Roar and Fury to draw please to keep them both a few points back.
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I love Perennial strugglers Liverpoolfan1's tables. They're brilliant and easy to read. Thanks
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about 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hopefully:
Melbourne win
NQF-Brisbane draw
Sydney win
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