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Lump in throat time

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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Something I must share with YF given what is good for a club and is good for the A-league is good news.
 
Today John Singleton punlished a letter about the Mariners.
 
John has been a Mariner supporter and one of the people involved in getting the club going.
 
John is a very wealthy and well connected businessman in OZ. He has also been a long time supporter of rugby lesgue and had on offer 10 million dollars to any NRL club who would call the Coast home.
 
The letter is so supportive of football generally and the Mariners specifically it is just so good and given John's well known support of the NRL it just adds more as John has been at the heart of RL for as long as I remember and publicing turning to footall.  Well what can I say, it is lump in the throat time, as football has never had such coverage.
 
The other article published in the telegraph asks big question to the NRL over the Mariners and the Scum. Also a wow type article.
 
Both are a bit long ................. but ............... for Singo to back us and a NRL paper to openly indicate football is the main game in the Central Coast & Newcastle .........well what more can be said.  But ...enjoy
 
 
 
Mariners, the pride of the Coast
By John Singleton

January 23, 2008 12:00am

I'M a proud man this week, watching the baby I helped to create come of age in spectacular fashion.

The success of my beloved Central Coast Mariners is a story of the power of sport, and of the ability of a team to unite a region when the community feels like it is part of the club.

Last weekend the Mariners were crowned A-league minor premiers and on Sunday play for the right to host the grand final.

I've had property on the Coast for 60 years. I watched as rugby league turned its back on us and so, last year, did rugby union.

So when the submissions were made for an eight-team football competition I made the case for the Coast to Frank Lowy, and as a director of Football Australia I then left the room when the final decision was taken.

But it's easy to forget that at the time the team didn't exist, the sponsors and the competition didn't exist.

It was almost an impossible dream. It was a massive struggle at first - I remember going to meetings with chairman Lyall Gorman and we'd walk out without a single sponsor. We had to tap our friends.

I was brought up with soccer like most of us - you play it until you're 10 and then you switch to league, that's where your heroes come from. Now we've got a whole generation of kids who've known nothing but the Mariners.

The players all live here - nine of the final squad were born and raised here.

Most of all we've been very, very fortunate in having Lawrie McKinna as the driving force. He's the coach but also the driving force, the club's spiritual leader.

Just weeks ago Lawrie was doing a local radio interview and suddenly offered to host a barbecue - along with John Aloisi - to the first callers to ring in. Three days later he was cooking the sausages in his backyard.

It isn't just a football club, Lawrie set out to create something that was a vital part of the community.

I doubt there's a primary or high school they haven't visited and trained at, or a shopping centre of whatever size they haven't been to.

Lawrie can coach, too. We did make the grand final in the first year, last year missed the playoffs by a point, and this year we've been on top for all bar a week or two.

Now we are guaranteed a place in the major club competition across Asia next season, when the cream of club sides from Japan, China or Korea could be travelling to the Coast.

It opens up sponsorship opportunities way beyond the Central Coast, even international companies will want to be involved, especially if we're successful in it.

The Mariners can be part of the whole renaissance of the Central Coast.

http://marinators.net/forum/index.php?topic=548.0

 

Then in the telei today

 

Fans' hearts and minds turn to Mariners and Jets

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By Nick Walshaw

January 24, 2008 12:00am

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<!-- Lead Content Panel -->JOHN Singleton had all the Mariners gathered around him in a horse paddock recently when he made the offer.

"Tell yah what I'll f...en do," the larrikin advertiser started.

"You fellas choose a racehorse, take the pick of my two-year-olds and it's yours.

"Name the thing, take a 50 per cent stake and I'll make sure the training and everything is worked out. Should be sorted by the end of the season."

Has rugby league finally lost its stranglehold on the communities north of the Hawkesbury River Bridge?

It's a question certainly worth asking today as The Daily Telegraph reveals the most lucrative gesture by any sports fan this summer.

Singo, you see, has no official role with the Mariners except as a sponsor through his Bluetongue Stadium.

Once among the staunchest rugby league lovers on the planet, this millionaire businessman is now just another punter caught up in the A-League phenomenon sweeping through the Central Coast and Newcastle.

It's a craze suddenly making gold the predominant colour on Hunter Street.

The Mariners are so popular that defender Andrew Clark has his own TV gig.

There's 19,000 at games, junior numbers are booming and the creation of superstars such as Jets winger Tarek Elrich - who recently raced, and beat, a greyhound.

"But this whole thing about the Central Coast being a league town, I've never accepted that," Mariners chairman Lyle Gorman explains.

"This community is fanatical about sport, about identity and for years they've had this dormant passion waiting to burst out.

"But until now league has been their only option."

But not any more.

No, now as the Newcastle Knights lurch from one crisis to the next - and the Northern Eagles push up daisies in an NRL cemetery - both the Mariners and Jets increase home crowd averages by 3000 a year.

Gorman makes no secret of the fact his club is surging into the hole left by league.

Of an Eagles outfit that was undoubtedly the worst experiment to hit Gosford streets since dress shoes with velcro straps.

"They left a stain after operating remotely, failing to integrate," Gorman concedes. "And we've learned from that."

It's why Central Coast management knocked back vague naming suggestions such as the Pacific Mariners.

Why coach Lawrie McKinna can be seen walking his dog along Wyong Road every morning.

The Eagles cut local heroes such as David Fairleigh and Matt Orford while the Mariners field seven locals in their top squad.

"Because," says skipper Alex Wilkinson, "it's our job to fit in."

And so every Tuesday night the entire Mariners squad hosts a session with one of its 22 local clubs.

A commitment that has existed since inception.

"When there were six people at a school fete," publicity officer Ben Coonan recalls, "and one of them was always a Mariner."

It's a process, both clubs agree, of creating heroes from scratch.

And why, when FFA surveyed grassroots development, Central Coast and Newcastle finished one-two.

"People say the two regional centres are disadvantaged - we're not," Jets boss John Tsatsimas explains. "Because we have the chance to engage every single member of our community."

It's an intimate relationship. One that saw McKinna incredibly open his home recently for a barbecue with fans.

"But league is too cool for all that," one senior official shrugs.

"Which is sad when you see where humility has taken the Mariners."

Business Central Coast boss Kerry Ruffels agrees when asked about the community passed over for the 16th NRL franchise.

"League has only ever paid this community lip service," Ruffels says. "Like Manly recently threatening to relocate here if they didn't get more government funding . . . like it was the worst thing in the world."

Supporters, of course, see this. See Tsatsimas "signing as many locals as possible" while the Knights cut like Edward Scissorhands.

See a Mariners outfit behaving like a commodity Ruffels rates as worth "$10 million annually" to the local economy. As a result, the Jets now average 13,209 per game, just 2500 behind the Knights.

Central Coast, meanwhile, boasts a record sponsorship of $3.1 million and has 13,000 registered soccer players - more than twice that of league, union and AFL combined.

Gosford council is this week rezoning schoolyards because they're out of fields while crazy fans such as Wyong limo driver Michael Kopinja recount escapades in gorilla suits.

Kopinja, 21, won a radio competition after spending two weeks living, sleeping and pranking with a lifesize cut-out of Mariner Matt Simon.

"It was around formal time, too, so the kids had him out the limo window all the time . . . he finished up a bit battered and bruised."

Rugby league now knows the feeling. But have they missed out entirely?

"Well, we've spent three years embracing this community," Gorman smiles. "And now they're turning around to embracing us.

"So, yeah, I think you can say that. I think every sporting body has missed the boat."

Probably they missed their stake in a future Golden Slipper winner, too.

 

Midfielder2008-01-24 23:40:22

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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good on you guys, a great story for a football fan to read, hopefully we'll continue to progress - and beat you in the final before too long

loved the bit about Tariq Elrich beating the greyhound
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Think the NRL will rue the day they slammed the door on Singo. Good luck against them bloody Jets midfielder.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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can you edit the post so that people can actually read. jeremiah2008-01-24 22:31:39
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Think there's a few lessons in there that, hopefully, the 'Nix can take on board.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Midfielder those are good articles but if you don't reduce the font size by 9.30am tomorrow I'm going to kill this.

FFS why did you need to make it 300 point font.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Great stuff. Good luck to the Mariners from a South Coast bloke who can't bring himself to cheer for Sydney! (No need to explain why I won't cheer for Newcastle or the canetoads)
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smithy246 wrote:
Midfielder those are good articles but if you don't reduce the font size by 9.30am tomorrow I'm going to kill this.

FFS why did you need to make it 300 point font.
 
Sorry Sorry did not realise must have been beero'clock kicking in.

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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jeremiah wrote:
can you edit the post so that people can actually read.
 
Agree with Jeremiah.
 
I took one look at the original posting and flagged it. 
 
Why should one-eyed Nix fans have to risk their remaining eyesight plowing through unreadable stuff like that?
 
 
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Great article about the pitfalls of sponsorship. At least with the Nix, Sponsors who started with the club will be remembered. Well done CCM in achieving their position.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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Seems to me that the Nix and the CCM team seem very similar. the Nix have huge support from the city, they get out and about in the town, they have all embraced Wellington as home, particularly Daniel - who just loves the crowd. I think in 3 years time the Nix will have gone through the same growth as CCM.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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theprof wrote:

Seems to me that the Nix and the CCM team seem very similar. the Nix have huge support from the city, they get out and about in the town, they have all embraced Wellington as home, particularly Daniel - who just loves the crowd. I think in 3 years time the Nix will have gone through the same growth as CCM.

 
I agree in principle with everything you say, the difference is that CCM have had success on the field as well.  If we can get the on the park stuff sorted there's no reason we shouldn't be looking to 20-25k people at home matches in a couple of years time.
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theprofo I agree I see the Marniers and the Nix have a lot in common.
 
Also I think the Mariners can learn a lot from you guys. I hope all A-league sides do well even the SCUM, and Flying Choppers however your top management is top draw, and your sixty min's show and what you have done in Wellie, this fans site is by far the best site of its kind including League, union and AFL.
 
The difficult choice your club has how to deverlop both the NZ national side an the Nix's in the A-League. Also NZ football seems from afar to be a basket case similar to our old adm.
 
I have said in previous post that government support (both funding wise & to make connections with business) was needed. IMO the NZ government funded the All Blacks and various World Cups
with heaps of funding and political backing. Its about time football got it's fair share.
 
Preaching to the converted I know but a place in the Pan Asian games would do more for NZ internationally than anything the All Blacks could come close to and I wonder why so little support from the government.
 
Anyway guys good luck next year and when I can afford it I will make the trip to Wellie and look forward to a beer or 2 maybe 12 and to sit with YF fans in my Mariners shirt with midfielder across my back, and "sing can you hear the nix sing"
 

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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how did he beat a greyhound? was it drugged/tied to a tire/had three legs/ran backwards? those things are bloody fast
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Cosimo wrote:

how did he beat a greyhound? was it drugged/tied to a tire/had three legs/ran backwards? those things are bloody fast


He was in his car at the time..

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Cosimo wrote:

how did he beat a greyhound? was it drugged/tied to a tire/had three legs/ran backwards? those things are bloody fast


i wondered that !!

perhaps his brother got the bunny that the greyhound was supposed to chase and shoved it in a pie - and the rest, as they say, is history
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Great article on the Mariners.
 
So far off the park the Phoenix have been fantastic the way they have got Wellington behind them...they just need to do the business on the field next season and the support will just grow and grow. I reckon what has happened in Wellington is that a lot of people are disilluded with rugby and the Phoenix is filling in the sporting vacuum. It would be great to see the growth of player numbers like in the Central Coast....but as long as NZF doesn't screw it up!
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Ronaldunno wrote:
Great article on the Mariners.
 
So far off the park the Phoenix have been fantastic the way they have got Wellington behind them...they just need to do the business on the field next season and the support will just grow and grow. I reckon what has happened in Wellington is that a lot of people are disilluded with rugby and the Phoenix is filling in the sporting vacuum. It would be great to see the growth of player numbers like in the Central Coast....but as long as NZF doesn't screw it up!
 
To be honest mate, I used to go to any games at the stadium except 7's but now with the Nix, I'm not enthused about going there to see any other sports other than one day (50 over) Cricket. The Nix atmosphere is so far superior to anything else!
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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It is undeniable that football is  growing in it's mainstream appeal in new zealand, The nix have brought a whole new set of supporters to the game, and the global appeal of european based leagues (which most kiwi's can trace some ancestry to) helps keep the enthusiasm up all year round. Im dreading the start of the super 14,  as the atmosphere at the backbencher just isnt the same as with a room full of nix supporters.

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my sympathies re super 14, at least i can try to avoid it

I'm usually naively optimistic, but in this case I'm a little less gun-ho about football than usual. I agree the game is on the up (despite the NZF hierarchy).

But having traveled a bit around the North Island these hols, the blank looks the retro ricki got and the fact that only one person picked up on my desperate attempts to slip the word Phoenix into the conversation made me realise that whilst Wellington has been changed for ever the rest of NZ lags behind.

Better TV coverage will help, which will come (despite TV 1 resistance) when we get better results. Getting to the World club champs will be no bad thing either!

As someone on here said NZ is still a rugby country  ,  but Wellington is on it's way to becoming a football city!



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tigers wrote:
my sympathies re super 14, at least i can try to avoid it

 NZ is still a rugby country  ,  but Wellington is on it's way to becoming a football city!


 
Excellent / nay Brillant

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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tigers wrote:
my sympathies re super 14, at least i can try to avoid it

I'm usually naively optimistic, but in this case I'm a little less gun-ho about football than usual. I agree the game is on the up (despite the NZF hierarchy).

But having traveled a bit around the North Island these hols, the blank looks the retro ricki got and the fact that only one person picked up on my desperate attempts to slip the word Phoenix into the conversation made me realise that whilst Wellington has been changed for ever the rest of NZ lags behind.

Better TV coverage will help, which will come (despite TV 1 resistance) when we get better results. Getting to the World club champs will be no bad thing either!

As someone on here said NZ is still a rugby country  ,  but Wellington is on it's way to becoming a football city!



 
I'm a bit confused as to why it has to be rugby or footy, the seasons don't even overlap.  I enjoy both.
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agreed, it doesn't have to be a choice DLB, lots of folks like both sports - which is great for the Nix at the moment

I don't bother much with rugby (makes life simpler)

and i suppose i view any dollar/hour spent on rugby as a dollar or hour that could have been spent on football

a bit sectarian perhaps, but that's how it works for me at this time in NZ's sporting history
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I dont begrudge anyone thier sporting preferances, and I also agree that it is regional in it's popularity. The warriors support in auckland is growing annualy at the expense of union, and hopefully the Phoenix will only get bigger and better for wellington.
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bad luck against the scum Midfielder
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Thanks Cosimo, hopefully Karma will be with us in more important games and the ball will bounce our way. But going down to the scum that is bad the inbreds were happy last night I can not see them winning the title maybe thats my heart talking.

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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I hope to god that soccer does not take over league in aus. League is by far the better sport.
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I hope to god that soccer does not take over league in aus. League is by far the better sport.
 
Maybe it should start drawing a crowd then, huh?
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it does just becasue soccer has no com petion to other sports is why it's gaininga lot of sport. I diden't support the Phoenix until this season becasue there was no other sport to watch. btw i still think soccer is a prety good sprt.
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Anyway the Warriors last two home games were sold out.
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That's because they were winning. They never got 11,000+ on average when they were last.

Three for me, and two for them.

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near that and becasue they have to compete with Union and AFL.

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By "taking over" League in Australia, just to clarify, you know there's more than two states in Australia right?

As for the popularity of soccer, you might just want to go over to Australia some time during the 2010 World Cup.

Oh, and be serious - nobody watches Rugby Union in Australia, just the Wallabies. Even then...
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Mate im talking about Union in New Zealand it's the national sport if you haven't noticed. And try having the A-league when League, AFL and Union are on and see how well it does.
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A-League is on at the same time as the Air NZ Cup and A-League crowds are much better. Even just Phoenix crowds are much better.

Three for me, and two for them.

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But it's not. It's on during cricket season, which is also a national sport, and I bet it kicks the sh*t out of that when it comes to crowds.

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The air new zeaalnd cup is on when league is to and it's nothing compared to the world cup and test matches. Soccer may become bigger than league in say 7-10 years but thats only becasue parents would rather see there child play nice say soccer then league.

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safe soccer i mean
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If you're refering to 'the world cup' as the Rugby World Cup, then let me just say that has nothing, abosolutely nothing, on the Football World Cup.

Three for me, and two for them.

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