Wellington Phoenix Men

Mark Paston

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Team Wellington start their new season next week, do all their defenders look like rabbits in headlights as well, or could we nab some of them?
 
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

old wouldnt make the lemons mate

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nightz wrote:
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You've been telling us that Paston was a better organiser than Moss. Regardless of missing just 1 player in the regular back 4, they looked a hell of a lot more disorganised than previous weeks.
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Quaker, find were Ive said that, you cant cause I dont ever recall posting that, others have though.
 
Pull your head in and get your facts right before you go having pot shots at people.  Heres one fact for you to start with, fat refs cant keep up with the play.
 
you did actually - you agreed with someone a while back during your Paston rants
 
to the below you replied in italics.......
 
agreed - please let's give Paston a try; there really is more to goalkeeping at that level than being able to make good saves; it should include organising and marshalling the defence.
 
Totally agreed, but than Ive been saying that for weeks now and keep getting shot down
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I might be a fat ref, but any day you wanna run the Fifa international fitness test with me, let me know.

I think Feverish has said it all nightz

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DrQuack322007-10-28 22:36:49
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I've seen Paston play much better than that. Problem with the A-League structure is that players that aren't playing aren't playing anywhere. There's no reserve team structure or anything, so it's easy to get rusty, and for a keeper, it's important to have an understanding with the back four especially. Maybe that was lacking tonight, or am I stating the obvious? 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Simple Solution: BRING BACK MOSSY!! Paston's had his opportunity and messed up big time, now get Moss back between the sticks!!

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
felipe wrote:
how do u "knock it out"
 
u get it wide of the posts for starters, basic goalkeeping skills that is.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
shabba121 wrote:

Simple Solution: BRING BACK MOSSY!! Paston's had his opportunity and messed up big time, now get Moss back between the sticks!!

 
Tough but true - and I was one of those wanting to see Paston in goal! Fact is, even allowing for defensive frailties, he was at fault in three of the goals. It's an absolute bloody nightmare seeing your keeper race off his line like that and get nowhere near the ball.
 
Yet Moss insists on those awful limp punches....
 
 
 
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Browner_ wrote:
Team Wellington start their new season next week, do all their defenders look like rabbits in headlights as well, or could we nab some of them?
 
 


watching Phoenix play TW last Thursday, the Brazilians went thru their defence very easily ...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
StopOut wrote:
shabba121 wrote:

Simple Solution: BRING BACK MOSSY!! Paston's had his opportunity and messed up big time, now get Moss back between the sticks!!

 
Tough but true - and I was one of those wanting to see Paston in goal! Fact is, even allowing for defensive frailties, he was at fault in three of the goals. It's an absolute bloody nightmare seeing your keeper race off his line like that and get nowhere near the ball.
 
Yet Moss insists on those awful limp punches....
 
 
 
they are not limp. There is nothing worng with punching. Better to come and punch, then come and fluff ,or not come and get beaten

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Basically he got caught in no-mans land too ofter.

I say tackle him in the face.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can't wait for December 30th!!!
 
3 more points!!!
 
Yippee
 
The Pilot2007-10-29 08:34:38
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
whoever said that Paston should be the number one please stand up (looks in nightz'z direction)
Sorry but you shouldnt be coming off the line if you are not gonna affect the play ala goal 3 and 4.
If it aint broke dont fix it
 
But unfortunately it was broke, we've conceded more goals than anyone else, it doesn't get much more broken than that.  I know our defence had a lot to do with that, but then again it did yesterday as well, without a doubt that was the worst we seen from our defence all season.  It could very easily have been 3 or 4 more........
 
Having said that, fair play to RH he's trying things to get us out of the mire.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The Pilot wrote:
Can't wait for December 30th!!!
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3 more points!!!

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Yippee

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I think you mean 30 November?
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Our defensive frailities have not helped either of our keepers, Moss has struggfled in keeping the back four together and certainly they have left him on his own , A LOT. Paston - a keeper who supposedly has great management skills, looked way out of his depth. It may be cos he hasn't played all season with those four guys at the back. Neither he or Moss have wowed me this season, but the defensive 4 haven't helped them out at all.....

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
danielsleftball wrote:
Feverish wrote:
whoever said that Paston should be the number one please stand up (looks in nightz'z direction)
Sorry but you shouldnt be coming off the line if you are not gonna affect the play ala goal 3 and 4.
If it aint broke dont fix it
 
But unfortunately it was broke, we've conceded more goals than anyone else, it doesn't get much more broken than that.  I know our defence had a lot to do with that, but then again it did yesterday as well, without a doubt that was the worst we seen from our defence all season.  It could very easily have been 3 or 4 more........
 
Having said that, fair play to RH he's trying things to get us out of the mire.
 
Mossey wasn't the problem though.

I say tackle him in the face.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Paston was incredibly poor last night. While Moss was conceding goals, he a) never conceded 4 in a game, b) hasn't been at fault for as many goals during the season as Paston was for in one game.
The third goal that really killed any chances of getting something out of the game was completely Paston's fault, it was one situation where our defence actually defended the quick break reasonably well only for Paston to screw it up by being miles off his line. He also could/should have one better on 2nd and 4th goals but I'm reluctant to pin those on him alone as our defenders should have reacted better in those situations.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
The Pilot wrote:
Can't wait for December 30th!!!
 

3 more points!!!

 

Yippee

 



I think you mean 30 November?
 
Nope I mean December 30th we we play you clowns again!!!
 
 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
santy wrote:
danielsleftball wrote:
Feverish wrote:
whoever said that Paston should be the number one please stand up (looks in nightz'z direction)
Sorry but you shouldnt be coming off the line if you are not gonna affect the play ala goal 3 and 4.
If it aint broke dont fix it
 
But unfortunately it was broke, we've conceded more goals than anyone else, it doesn't get much more broken than that.  I know our defence had a lot to do with that, but then again it did yesterday as well, without a doubt that was the worst we seen from our defence all season.  It could very easily have been 3 or 4 more........
 
Having said that, fair play to RH he's trying things to get us out of the mire.
 
Mossey wasn't the problem though.
 
Mossey was a part of a back 5 that was the problem.  I think yesterday proved that we have two keepers that are capable of shot stopping (I thought Paston's double save in the fist half,  the second part in particular, will be a contender for save of the season).  However, with none of the back four taking responsibilty for organisation, we need a keeper that not only commands the area but also commands respect from the back 4.
 
I do believe that both of our keepers may be vampires as they're both sh*t scared of crosses...... 
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
TRUE

I say tackle him in the face.

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I just think everyone has made excellent points and the general concensus (if thats the correct spelling, lol) is that paston should be dropped, why fix something if it aint broke, ok moss has conceded a lot of goals, but very few have been his fault, i think attacking wise we look great, need to sort out some of the midfield but the defence is the worst part of the team.
come on rikki sort this out!!
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
oh and lets get a new keeper in for a backup to moss and get shot of mark paston while we are at it.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
phoenix07 wrote:
I just think everyone has made excellent points and the general concensus (if thats the correct spelling, lol) is that paston should be dropped, why fix something if it aint broke, ok moss has conceded a lot of goals, but very few have been his fault, i think attacking wise we look great, need to sort out some of the midfield but the defence is the worst part of the team.
come on rikki sort this out!!
 
I'm not sure we look great attacking wise...... (Smeltz stock went up in my book this weekend)
 
I haven't got a problem with the Keegan approach to management (you score 5 we'll score 6),  it makes for very enjoyable footy, but we'd need a forward line of Henry, Owen and Ronaldinho to make up for what we have at the back........
 
I also thought the midfield was found wanting on Sunday, not enough desire to win/recieve the ball.  Look at the movement of the Adelaide midfield for a comparison.......
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
danielsleftball wrote:
santy wrote:
danielsleftball wrote:
Feverish wrote:
whoever said that Paston should be the number one please stand up (looks in nightz'z direction)
Sorry but you shouldnt be coming off the line if you are not gonna affect the play ala goal 3 and 4.
If it aint broke dont fix it
 
But unfortunately it was broke, we've conceded more goals than anyone else, it doesn't get much more broken than that.  I know our defence had a lot to do with that, but then again it did yesterday as well, without a doubt that was the worst we seen from our defence all season.  It could very easily have been 3 or 4 more........
 
Having said that, fair play to RH he's trying things to get us out of the mire.
 
Mossey wasn't the problem though.
 
Mossey was a part of a back 5 that was the problem.  I think yesterday proved that we have two keepers that are capable of shot stopping (I thought Paston's double save in the fist half,  the second part in particular, will be a contender for save of the season).  However, with none of the back four taking responsibilty for organisation, we need a keeper that not only commands the area but also commands respect from the back 4.
 
I do believe that both of our keepers may be vampires as they're both sh*t scared of crosses...... 
 

Back 5? Next you will be talking about a back 11!

Look, a keeper can try and help organise his defenders - but he can't control their technical abilities which is what has been lacking -he can't stop them from playing balls into the paths of stikers

End of the day Pastie patted an average free kick from 30yds and invited a goal, came off his line for the third when the defender had him pushed wide enough to make it harmless, and came screaming out and missed it on the fourth. Tell me when Mossy has done that in a game?

Im not bagging Pastie - he made some errors but will bounce back - just think it was wrong to try the change

Founder

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
danielsleftball wrote:
santy wrote:
danielsleftball wrote:
Feverish wrote:
whoever said that Paston should be the number one please stand up (looks�in nightz'z direction)
Sorry but you shouldnt be coming off the line if you are not gonna affect the play ala goal 3 and 4.

If it aint broke dont fix it

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But unfortunately it was broke, we've conceded more goals than anyone else, it doesn't get much more broken than that.� I know our defence had a lot to do with that, but then again it did yesterday as well,�without a doubt that was the worst we seen from our defence all season.� It could very easily have been 3 or 4 more........

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Having said that, fair play to RH he's trying things to get us out of the mire.

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Mossey wasn't the problem though.

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Mossey was a part of a back 5 that was the problem.� I think yesterday proved�that we have two keepers that are capable of shot stopping (I thought�Paston's double save in the fist half,� the second part in particular, will be a contender for save of the season).� However, with none of the back four taking responsibilty for organisation, we need a keeper that not only�commands the area but also commands respect from the back 4.

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I do believe that both of our keepers may be vampires as they're both sh*t scared of crosses......�

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Back 5? Next you will be talking about a back 11!

Look, a keeper can try and help organise his defenders - but he can't control their technical abilities which is what has been lacking -he can't stop them from playing balls into the paths of stikers

End of the day Pastie patted an average free kick from 30yds and invited a goal, came off his line for the third when the defender had him pushed wide enough to make it harmless, and came screaming out and missed it on the fourth. Tell me when Mossy has done that in a game?

Im not bagging Pastie - he made some errors but will bounce back - just think it was wrong to try the change



Well said Feverish.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
danielsleftball wrote:
santy wrote:
danielsleftball wrote:
Feverish wrote:
whoever said that Paston should be the number one please stand up (looks in nightz'z direction)
Sorry but you shouldnt be coming off the line if you are not gonna affect the play ala goal 3 and 4.
If it aint broke dont fix it
 
But unfortunately it was broke, we've conceded more goals than anyone else, it doesn't get much more broken than that.  I know our defence had a lot to do with that, but then again it did yesterday as well, without a doubt that was the worst we seen from our defence all season.  It could very easily have been 3 or 4 more........
 
Having said that, fair play to RH he's trying things to get us out of the mire.
 
Mossey wasn't the problem though.
 
Mossey was a part of a back 5 that was the problem.  I think yesterday proved that we have two keepers that are capable of shot stopping (I thought Paston's double save in the fist half,  the second part in particular, will be a contender for save of the season).  However, with none of the back four taking responsibilty for organisation, we need a keeper that not only commands the area but also commands respect from the back 4.
 
I do believe that both of our keepers may be vampires as they're both sh*t scared of crosses...... 
 

Back 5? Next you will be talking about a back 11!

Look, a keeper can try and help organise his defenders - but he can't control their technical abilities which is what has been lacking -he can't stop them from playing balls into the paths of stikers

End of the day Pastie patted an average free kick from 30yds and invited a goal, came off his line for the third when the defender had him pushed wide enough to make it harmless, and came screaming out and missed it on the fourth. Tell me when Mossy has done that in a game?

Im not bagging Pastie - he made some errors but will bounce back - just think it was wrong to try the change

 
It is a back 5, there has to be communication and organisation across the back, all the great keepers have the ability to marshall what's in front of them.  It's a shame that Pastie is being made a bit of a scapegoat, I know he didn't have a good game but he wasn't the worst on the park by any stretch of the imagination.  Unfortunately we don't have a the ability to see if the result would have been different if Moss had played.
 
Let's not forget that we had 4 or 5 corners in the space of two minutes and came away with nothing and that even with the great attacking threat we have we still managed to miss an open goal with a free header from 6 yards out (and that's from one of our best players).
 
We all know that defensively we have problems, but surely the players must know that as well, and if that's the case shouldn't the midfield have been mindful of this and helped out more?
 
Lastly, I would have to question the teams fitness, in the last couple of games we've looked like we're struggling to get around the park  in the last 20 minutes.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Poor decision by Ricki to drop Moss. End of.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:

Our defensive frailities have not helped either of our keepers, Moss has struggfled in keeping the back four together and certainly they have left him on his own , A LOT. Paston - a keeper who supposedly has great management skills, looked way out of his depth. It may be cos he hasn't played all season with those four guys at the back. Neither he or Moss have wowed me this season, but the defensive 4 haven't helped them out at all.....

 
yeah your right.  I thought Christie was our answer at right back but he was playing way to narrow (probably trying to help cover the 2 centre backs).  They were pouring down the flanks and getting the ball in the box where mistakes were inevitable.  The 2 centre backs were caught ball watching to often and not marking the runners.  Paston may have great management skills but you also need a centre back with equally good skills to organise the backs around him.  We dont have this yet.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
What inspired Mr Herbert to select Paston, I thought he had a poor game, 1 bit of brillance, may have been a different result had Moss been there. There was no organisation at the back so I believe we should have kept Moss in goal
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Feverish wrote:
nightz wrote:
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You've been telling us that Paston was a better organiser than Moss. Regardless of missing just 1 player in the regular back 4, they looked a hell of a lot more disorganised than previous weeks.
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Quaker, find were Ive said that, you cant cause I dont ever recall posting that, others have though.
 
Pull your head in and get your facts right before you go having pot shots at people.  Heres one fact for you to start with, fat refs cant keep up with the play.
 
you did actually - you agreed with someone a while back during your Paston rants
 
to the below you replied in italics.......
 
agreed - please let's give Paston a try; there really is more to goalkeeping at that level than being able to make good saves; it should include organising and marshalling the defence.
 
Totally agreed, but than Ive been saying that for weeks now and keep getting shot down
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
What are you on Feverish?  It dosent say anything there about Paston being a good organiser.  

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
DrQuack32 wrote:
I might be a fat ref, but any day you wanna run the Fifa international fitness test with me, let me know.

I think Feverish has said it all nightz

*flush*
 
How about today.
 
And I never said you were a fat ref, I dont even know you.
 
Fact 2: Refs have trouble seeing things that everybody else can see.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
At least he can master the quote function... 
 
I just press quote, if it dosent work its hardly my fault.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nightz, you've gotta change your signature before we can take you seriously anymore...
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Wingback, I dont care if you take me seriously. If Paston is given a chance he will prove why he has the No 1 shirt.
What do you think about ex Kingz keeper, Michael Theoklitos Wingback?

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hes doing alright.
 
Paston had a chance, and blew it. Moss had a chance when Paston was injured, and took it. I don't have anything against Paston, I think hes a good keeper, but still don't know why Moss was dropped.
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wingback4eva wrote:
Hes doing alright.
 
Paston had a chance, and blew it. Moss had a chance when Paston was injured, and took it. I don't have anything against Paston, I think hes a good keeper, but still don't know why Moss was dropped.
 
Just wondered about that.
Theoklitos is "doing alright" but Paston 'blew it", yet they both had 4 goals put past them by Adeliade.
 
I'm not sure why Moss was dropped? Maybe if we ask Ricki he will reply "he's let in to many goals so we had to make a change" or something similar. I thought it was pretty obvious myself but I'm just an uneducated football supporter so maybe it was for some other reason.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How many were Theoklitos' fault...? Paston has played one game and was clearly at fault for 2 of the goals. Moss has played 9 games and I can't think of a goal that was directly his fault.
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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
wingback4eva wrote:
How many were Theoklitos' fault...? Paston has played one game and was clearly at fault for 2 of the goals. Moss has played 9 games and I can't think of a goal that was directly his fault.
 
 
Says alot for your thought patterns than. Maybe you should rewatch the games and come back and edit that post.

A dog with a bone :)

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over 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Nah Wingback 4eva is right! Mossey is maybe at fault for 1-2 goals, defo not more!

I say tackle him in the face.

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