Match 12 vs Brisbane Roar | Sun 21st Mar | 6:05pm | SS7

Penalty or not, jesus we blew that game.

Same old Aussies.. 
And Brisbane can get f-d too, should have had more sent off after their deliberate fouling in the first half.

This is fken a rout! We never get a fair call ever!

That coke snorting wank can stfu 

It wasn't a handball as it was the Nix, any other team the Ref would of pointed to the spot.
Getting sick of inconsistency with the f/ing Officials

Bozza is such a moron is physically hurts to listen to him speak

kiwikev

It wasn't a handball as it was the Nix, any other team the Ref would of pointed to the spot.
Getting sick of inconsistency with the f/ing Officials

If you watch the other A-League matches, there are constantly confusing decisions. It's not a conspiracy against us, it's confused laws and officials.

I've logged back into this forum for the first time in God knows how long just to get someone to explain to me the fudgeen handball rule. Please. Tell me.

Hate to say it but Devlin had a couple of poor touches there. 

I genuinely don't know how VAR got involved and that wasn't a penalty. Unnatural position, ball struck the hand inside the box.

TBH we blowed it in the 2nd half defending deep. But still i cant get over that handball. SCREWD AGAIN!

Smeltz4PM

Bozza is such a moron is physically hurts to listen to him speak

The coke has bored out the portion of his brain that is responsible for reason, logic, and common sense. 

The fact that he's an ocker is also to his detriment. 

You'd also get more substance from a hollowed out log than you would from that air-headed t w a t.

Look we can blame the team. The VAR. Fox.
But lets be honest. Who took their shirts off when we were ahead with ten to go? The Fever at clear fault here.

If the handball can be explained by whatever arcane system of rules VAR are is using today than I'll be fine. But if in two days time some official comes out and says oops, sorry, we got it wrong I'll be furious.

Snatched a draw from the jaws of victory. Should have had a penalty. If it was us, in the wrong, we'd have been punished. Our defending at times resembled that of season one.

Second half was poor, albiet against the wind. But we don't have the back line to defend a 1-0 lead for most of the half. Should have killed that game off. We won't get much easier games than this. Roar aren't great.
If we were playing at home we would have won that one. Nix doing it tough.

martinb

Hate to say it but Devlin had a couple of poor touches there. 

Yeah he gave the ball way under no pressure just before their goal in a spot we were crying out for someone to hang on to the ball after we had been under the pump the last 10 mins.

Sotirio also guilty of giving the ball away under no pressure. I think he came on too early... and only really shows his value running against tired legs in the last 15 mins.

Would have been quite interesting to see who would have taken the penalty.
Sotiro ?? against Jamie Young.

It has been an hour and I'm still fuming.

That second half was a rough watch. 

Felt like we lost the drive to attack and you felt like that goal was coming. 

Surely if that isn't a handball the surely the only way you can get a handball is if you actually hold it in your hands. 

TreeFiddy

I genuinely don't know how VAR got involved and that wasn't a penalty. Unnatural position, ball struck the hand inside the box.

And his hand actually moved towards the ball.  It didn't just bounce up into his hand he moved towards it. 

Ranix

Would have been quite interesting to see who would have taken the penalty.
Sotiro ?? against Jamie Young.

Rufer would of been an interesting choice... 

siac

Ranix

Would have been quite interesting to see who would have taken the penalty.
Sotiro ?? against Jamie Young.

Rufer would of been an interesting choice... 

would have thought Lewis, but that is based on nothing other than him taking a few free kicks

kwlap

siac

Ranix

Would have been quite interesting to see who would have taken the penalty.
Sotiro ?? against Jamie Young.

Rufer would of been an interesting choice... 

would have thought Lewis, but that is based on nothing other than him taking a few free kicks

I was joking based on Rufer not scoring in 70 plus games. In reality I'd also prefer Lewis. 

Either the ref/VAR is bias or the handball rule is stupid... The 'unnatural positon' is too subjective and open to manipulation... Experts can't even agree on the rule so how can casual fans be expected to understand it...

YoungHeart

It's games like these that give me encouragement that we will finish the season far higher up the table. How Brisbane are where they are in the league is almost unfathomable to me...

After that second half I'm not so sure. 

We seem to play well for the first 45 the switch off for the second.

Bananas

That second half was a rough watch. 

Felt like we lost the drive to attack and you felt like that goal was coming. 

Surely if that isn't a handball the surely the only way you can get a handball is if you actually hold it in your hands. 

Or wear a yellow shirt with a taniwha on it.

siac

Ranix

Would have been quite interesting to see who would have taken the penalty.
Sotiro ?? against Jamie Young.

Rufer would of been an interesting choice... 

He did take some in pre season from memory. 

Half of the roar team should have been sent off within the first 45 but at the end of the day we can only blame ourselves.  We had enough clear cut chances to be 4-0 by the break.  

I thought Rufer and Davila had poor games today, Davila especially. 

Hopefully with Taylor back we'll be more organised at the back.  We threw away 3 points today and let's be honest, the Roar were lucky to get one.

Marto

Half of the roar team should have been sent off within the first 45 but at the end of the day we can only blame ourselves.  We had enough clear cut chances to be 4-0 by the break.  

I thought Rufer and Davila had poor games today, Davila especially. 

Hopefully with Taylor back we'll be more organised at the back.  We threw away 3 points today and let's be honest, the Roar were lucky to get one.

Not sure I agree that they were lucky to get one. We were under the pump for 45 mins and that last 10, I thought we’d lose. All the momentum was with them, we literally did nothing right in the second half. The basics went out the window. 

Regardless, we should have been out of sight by then. As someone said, I thought sotirio came on too early and our shape was adversely effected. Should have been 3 points, even ignoring the penalty farce, but I disagree they were lucky to get one.

Well that was a hard 90 minutes to watch.
1st half I thought we played really well, in fact dominated Roar and were unlucky not to score more. Really pleasing to see Hemed score with such composure, hopefully there is more to come.
Waine came on early in the second and things started to change. Roar clearly came out with different instructions and they changed their shape early which we failed to adapt to. I'm assuming the changes we made we to save players for the Wednesday game, but they really hurt us, and then for Talay to put 5 at the back and concede immediately was just horrible - everyone knows you cant sit on a
1-0 lead and expect to win. Poor coaching right there.

As for the two handball decisions, if Ball's goal is correctly wiped due to handball then the contact with the hand has to be called as a penalty. Yes it look accidental, but the hand was in an unnatural position and making his body wider. Should have been called by the VAR, but I guess the reason for not overruling was the whole clear and obvious error???

WanderingSheep

Marto

Half of the roar team should have been sent off within the first 45 but at the end of the day we can only blame ourselves.  We had enough clear cut chances to be 4-0 by the break.  

I thought Rufer and Davila had poor games today, Davila especially. 

Hopefully with Taylor back we'll be more organised at the back.  We threw away 3 points today and let's be honest, the Roar were lucky to get one.

Not sure I agree that they were lucky to get one. We were under the pump for 45 mins and that last 10, I thought we’d lose. All the momentum was with them, we literally did nothing right in the second half. The basics went out the window. 

Regardless, we should have been out of sight by then. As someone said, I thought sotirio came on too early and our shape was adversely effected. Should have been 3 points, even ignoring the penalty farce, but I disagree they were lucky to get one.

Had we taken our multiple chances they would have been out of the game by the start of the second half and they never looked like actually beating Sail outside of that header.

Watched the replay but wouldn't say it was a game of two halves. We were much better in the first 45, then reasonable even for up until about 70/75 minutes. Davilla had a very good chance to kill the game off in the second half after some interplay with Piscopo. Then they threw everything forward in the last 15 and we lost our composure and could find any outlet to release pressure. Hopefully Taylor replacing McGing will give a bit more resilience back there. 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/124610225/why-the-referees-were-right-to-deny-the-phoenix-a-penalty-against-the-roar

Gotta say I think Andrew is wrong here. Simple fact is that the defenders arm is making his body unnaturally large and the ball hits his arm, and there is no real reason for his arm to be out that wide, h's not in the process of bringing his arm down, it goes up from his side towards the ball and continues up once the ball makes contact. Under the law that is a handball all day. Intent has nothing to do with it. The question that needs to be answered is why is his arm there, he's not coming down from a jump, he's not moving much, just skipping into the box waving his arms about. 

theprof

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/124610225/why-the-referees-were-right-to-deny-the-phoenix-a-penalty-against-the-roar

Gotta say I think Andrew is wrong here. Simple fact is that the defenders arm is making his body unnaturally large and the ball hits his arm, and there is no real reason for his arm to be out that wide, h's not in the process of bringing his arm down, it goes up from his side towards the ball and continues up once the ball makes contact. Under the law that is a handball all day. Intent has nothing to do with it. The question that needs to be answered is why is his arm there, he's not coming down from a jump, he's not moving much, just skipping into the box waving his arms about. 

I agree. I know there have been recent updates to the rules (those should happen once a season maximum so as not to complicate things even further).
I was under the impression that if it struck the arm, even unintentionally, if the arm is in an unnatural position, then it is a penalty. This rule has been applied for some time now and we've all come around to the idea that sometimes penalties will be awarded even if the defender touches the ball by mistake - and frankly - at times we wished it wouldn't be a penalty. But as I said we all made our peace with that and felt the rules were there to protect everyone and give a uniform yard-stick on which to base such decisions.

I'm sick an tired of decisions going against us because of some obscure bullet point in the annex arse-end of the rule book(III.a.b.c.d.e. $b ~z)!!! Same goes for the penalty on Hemed a few weeks' back. He's about to take a shot, gets tripped and it's not a penalty because the defender basically found himself in the wrong place, at the wrong time. How's that different from a mis-timed tackle? Sorry ref I thought I was gonna get the ball... Tough luck son, still a pen!

WanderingSheep

Marto

Half of the roar team should have been sent off within the first 45 but at the end of the day we can only blame ourselves.  We had enough clear cut chances to be 4-0 by the break.  

I thought Rufer and Davila had poor games today, Davila especially. 

Hopefully with Taylor back we'll be more organised at the back.  We threw away 3 points today and let's be honest, the Roar were lucky to get one.

Not sure I agree that they were lucky to get one. We were under the pump for 45 mins and that last 10, I thought we’d lose. All the momentum was with them, we literally did nothing right in the second half. The basics went out the window. 

Regardless, we should have been out of sight by then. As someone said, I thought sotirio came on too early and our shape was adversely effected. Should have been 3 points, even ignoring the penalty farce, but I disagree they were lucky to get one.

Yep, even with Hemed on we missed Ben Waine's link play. With Sotirio on we didn't hold possession.
Edit: and a good chance Mr. Voerman is trolling for page views....

newzealandpower

theprof

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/124610225/why-the-referees-were-right-to-deny-the-phoenix-a-penalty-against-the-roar

Gotta say I think Andrew is wrong here. Simple fact is that the defenders arm is making his body unnaturally large and the ball hits his arm, and there is no real reason for his arm to be out that wide, h's not in the process of bringing his arm down, it goes up from his side towards the ball and continues up once the ball makes contact. Under the law that is a handball all day. Intent has nothing to do with it. The question that needs to be answered is why is his arm there, he's not coming down from a jump, he's not moving much, just skipping into the box waving his arms about. 

I agree. I know there have been recent updates to the rules (those should happen once a season maximum so as not to complicate things even further).
I was under the impression that if it struck the arm, even unintentionally, if the arm is in an unnatural position, then it is a penalty. This rule has been applied for some time now and we've all come around to the idea that sometimes penalties will be awarded even if the defender touches the ball by mistake - and frankly - at times we wished it wouldn't be a penalty. But as I said we all made our peace with that and felt the rules were there to protect everyone and give a uniform yard-stick on which to base such decisions.

I'm sick an tired of decisions going against us because of some obscure bullet point in the annex arse-end of the rule book(III.a.b.c.d.e. $b ~z)!!! Same goes for the penalty on Hemed a few weeks' back. He's about to take a shot, gets tripped and it's not a penalty because the defender basically found himself in the wrong place, at the wrong time. How's that different from a mis-timed tackle? Sorry ref I thought I was gonna get the ball... Tough luck son, still a pen!

 wouldn't wana go back through the decisions and add them up! Must be a shock for Uffie- Sydney to the Nix!

martinb

WanderingSheep

Marto

Half of the roar team should have been sent off within the first 45 but at the end of the day we can only blame ourselves.  We had enough clear cut chances to be 4-0 by the break.  

I thought Rufer and Davila had poor games today, Davila especially. 

Hopefully with Taylor back we'll be more organised at the back.  We threw away 3 points today and let's be honest, the Roar were lucky to get one.

Not sure I agree that they were lucky to get one. We were under the pump for 45 mins and that last 10, I thought we’d lose. All the momentum was with them, we literally did nothing right in the second half. The basics went out the window. 

Regardless, we should have been out of sight by then. As someone said, I thought sotirio came on too early and our shape was adversely effected. Should have been 3 points, even ignoring the penalty farce, but I disagree they were lucky to get one.

Yep, even with Hemed on we missed Ben Waine's link play. With Sotirio on we didn't hold possession.
Edit: and a good chance Mr. Voerman is trolling for page views....

Of course he is, he works for Stuff. 

Davila was so quiet. Maybe they were double marking him. Piscopo certainly made use of any extra space.