Match 19 vs Adelaide United | Sun 25th Apr | 6:10pm | SS7

siac

Typhoon

Perfect ANZAC day result. Not even Bozzer could spoil it. 

Am I the only Nix fan who actually likes him? 

He wasn't so bad tonight. At about the 80th minute, after a wave of Nix attacks (and when Adelaide were struggling to get anywhere near the attacking third), they asked Brosque who he thought was more likely to score a goal from here to which he replied Adelaide :D wtf.

After another slow start to a second half, once the Nix decided to play the games, and subs certainly helped, we didnt look like losing. Also I'm loving how every year we have a young academy player who is clearly headed for bigger and better things.

siac

Typhoon

Perfect ANZAC day result. Not even Bozzer could spoil it. 

Am I the only Nix fan who actually likes him? 

 No, I like most of what he says but not everything.

Its official now, we must win out next 3 matches to actually stay in the top 6 so long as Roar lose 2 of there matches and some other things go our way.

dunnix

wilbaker

dunnix

Awesome to see Sotirio coming up trumps a couple of times these last few weeks. Great impact sub to have.

Sail MOTM for sure

Would like to see Hemed stick around for another year as well if possible

 
Not sure if Hemed is good enough to be our marquee striker tbh if there are better options out there next season would rather we get someone else but who knows with a season under his belt might help him 

Considering he had no pre-season and a couple of injuries, we're playing him into some decent form. Would hate to get him fully up and running, only to lose him to an Indian/SE Asian league.

Marquee wages? That'll be an interesting discussion, but I'd still prefer to keep him if possible

Unless Krishna was keen on a return.

siac

Typhoon

Perfect ANZAC day result. Not even Bozzer could spoil it. 

Am I the only Nix fan who actually likes him? 

He's good value. A bit of a clown sometimes, but am a fan of that.

Would be interested to hear on what happened with the change of mind with subs, were going to take Hemed off, then changed mind and took Waine off instead. 

I dont mind the aussie commentators, better than Fred or Raf!

Good win against a good side. Let's keep notching up wins and pack the cake tin!

Waine has a great positive attacking attitude and I love that he has a smile on his face so much of the time. He has confidence now as well and is banging them in for fun. Love it. 

Colvinator

Would be interested to hear on what happened with the change of mind with subs, were going to take Hemed off, then changed mind and took Waine off instead. 

Hemed said after the game Uffie was going to take him off, but spoke to Hemed first and he said he felt fine, so they left him on. 

Considering our short turnaround from the WU game in Tassie, it was a very even game. Yes Adelaide did look more likely at about 80th minute so the comment from Brosque was not particularly contentious. By 85th minute Bozza said that "now it's the Nix that look more likely, can they get a win here" when we upped the pressure with Sotirio on for Waine, and a spectacular, good quality cross from Fenton to Hemed.
Over the last several games our dominance in the first 15 min was overwhelming, so I would hope that getting an early goal or two should be a "must" .   Again, Bozza was full of praise for how we played early on and I cannot detect any traces of the rabid anti-Nix bias, fuelled by FOX money interests, from years gone by.

Honestly I was critical of Waine when he first started getting sub appearances, seemed to run around with no idea of where he was supposed to be or what to do.

A few starts though and he looks every bit an A-league player. Not just the goals but his body positioning and hold up play seem to get better every week.
Put a three year contract in front of this kid asap.

I watched Waine a few times at David Farrington Park. He is fast, explosive and strong. Pops up everywhere and is dangerous direct in front of the goal. You could clearly see he's on a different level. He looks so young and harmless, but when it's game time he turn into a beast!

Smeltz4PM

Honestly I was critical of Waine when he first started getting sub appearances, seemed to run around with no idea of where he was supposed to be or what to do.

A few starts though and he looks every bit an A-league player. Not just the goals but his body positioning and hold up play seem to get better every week.
Put a three year contract in front of this kid asap.

What he has got is that uncanny gift of being in the right place at the right time. You can't coach that it is natural. 

number8

I watched Waine a few times at David Farrington Park. He is fast, explosive and strong. Pops up everywhere and is dangerous direct in front of the goal. You could clearly see he's on a different level. He looks so young and harmless, but when it's game time he turn into a beast!

Smeltz4PM

Honestly I was critical of Waine when he first started getting sub appearances, seemed to run around with no idea of where he was supposed to be or what to do.

A few starts though and he looks every bit an A-league player. Not just the goals but his body positioning and hold up play seem to get better every week.
Put a three year contract in front of this kid asap.

number8

I watched Waine a few times at David Farrington Park. He is fast, explosive and strong. Pops up everywhere and is dangerous direct in front of the goal. You could clearly see he's on a different level. He looks so young and harmless, but when it's game time he turn into a beast!

Smeltz4PM

Honestly I was critical of Waine when he first started getting sub appearances, seemed to run around with no idea of where he was supposed to be or what to do.

A few starts though and he looks every bit an A-league player. Not just the goals but his body positioning and hold up play seem to get better every week.
Put a three year contract in front of this kid asap.

Yeah, similarly, I saw him at Kiwitea Street against Auckland City receive a ball on the half turn, open up his body and smash it into the top far corner, not to mention how he was in Poland at the U20s or in Fiji where he scored plenty. It’s a major reason why you need to give teenagers leeway at this level, like Cacace and Sutton also were given at the start. It’s something I think the Phoenix have done a lot better in recent time than earlier, though not having the reserves was also a big factor previously.

The Aussie commentators made several mentions of how hard it's been on the Nix, having to stay in Aussie and he amount of quick travel that they have had to do. They were quite complimentary and I thought, if we can do it, why can't Perth? But fair dues to the Commentators, they are starting to appear sympathetic to the challenges that the club face.

Great result for us. Second half was very entertaining. What a difference it makes when two teams go out and actually try and play football to win. As compared to our last game against Hackers FC.
Credit to Adelaide, that goal they scored was an excellent team goal. 
Yes, Waine has improved so much over the weeks, what a difference getting regular game time makes. 
Going to be some hard decisions for Uffie now in that front four once Piscopo is back and match fit again.

Lonegunmen

The Aussie commentators made several mentions of how hard it's been on the Nix, having to stay in Aussie and he amount of quick travel that they have had to do. They were quite complimentary and I thought, if we can do it, why can't Perth? But fair dues to the Commentators, they are starting to appear sympathetic to the challenges that the club face.

Was my reaction initially- but if they are playing 3 games a week in Perth doing one in NZ in the middle is unusually tricky.

martinb

Lonegunmen

The Aussie commentators made several mentions of how hard it's been on the Nix, having to stay in Aussie and he amount of quick travel that they have had to do. They were quite complimentary and I thought, if we can do it, why can't Perth? But fair dues to the Commentators, they are starting to appear sympathetic to the challenges that the club face.

Was my reaction initially- but if they are playing 3 games a week in Perth doing one in NZ in the middle is unusually tricky.

Perth have been whingeing all season about there schedule. But they chose to start later than everyone else, and didn't they at one stage choose to go back to WA and into quarantine rather than stay out east a bit longer and play some extra games? Now they are whinging again about the tight schedule. they only have them selves to blame. They could have relocated out east for a month or so, but chose not to. Why are they so precious, Make them come to Auckland, surely its not that much more effort than going to Woolongong.

carlind

number8

I watched Waine a few times at David Farrington Park. He is fast, explosive and strong. Pops up everywhere and is dangerous direct in front of the goal. You could clearly see he's on a different level. He looks so young and harmless, but when it's game time he turn into a beast!

Smeltz4PM

Honestly I was critical of Waine when he first started getting sub appearances, seemed to run around with no idea of where he was supposed to be or what to do.

A few starts though and he looks every bit an A-league player. Not just the goals but his body positioning and hold up play seem to get better every week.
Put a three year contract in front of this kid asap.

Yeah, similarly, I saw him at Kiwitea Street against Auckland City receive a ball on the half turn, open up his body and smash it into the top far corner, not to mention how he was in Poland at the U20s or in Fiji where he scored plenty. It’s a major reason why you need to give teenagers leeway at this level, like Cacace and Sutton also were given at the start. It’s something I think the Phoenix have done a lot better in recent time than earlier, though not having the reserves was also a big factor previously.

I always thought it was strange that Herbert would prefer Australian Journeymen over developing Kiwi talent. As coach of the national team he had the opportunity to develop players in the nix for the future. Our biggest advantage is one that we never really exploited until recently, and that's the fact that we have a monopoly over all of the footballing talent of NZ. Whereas the Australian clubs have (on average) a population pool of about 2 million each to draw from, we've got a population pool of 7 million which is a heck of an advantage.

Colvinator

siac

Typhoon

Perfect ANZAC day result. Not even Bozzer could spoil it. 

Am I the only Nix fan who actually likes him? 

He's good value. A bit of a clown sometimes, but am a fan of that.

Did anyone see the Mariners v Sydney match this weekend when Bozzer approached the Sydney Manager Steve Corica for comment 5 minutes before half time (all captured by Foxtel) when the game was in full flow? Corica blew a fuse and sent Bozzer on his way with a tirade of fully justified abuse! That was a seriously good example of the 'bit of a clown' at work.

Ryan

carlind

number8

I watched Waine a few times at David Farrington Park. He is fast, explosive and strong. Pops up everywhere and is dangerous direct in front of the goal. You could clearly see he's on a different level. He looks so young and harmless, but when it's game time he turn into a beast!

Smeltz4PM

Honestly I was critical of Waine when he first started getting sub appearances, seemed to run around with no idea of where he was supposed to be or what to do.

A few starts though and he looks every bit an A-league player. Not just the goals but his body positioning and hold up play seem to get better every week.
Put a three year contract in front of this kid asap.

Yeah, similarly, I saw him at Kiwitea Street against Auckland City receive a ball on the half turn, open up his body and smash it into the top far corner, not to mention how he was in Poland at the U20s or in Fiji where he scored plenty. It’s a major reason why you need to give teenagers leeway at this level, like Cacace and Sutton also were given at the start. It’s something I think the Phoenix have done a lot better in recent time than earlier, though not having the reserves was also a big factor previously.

I always thought it was strange that Herbert would prefer Australian Journeymen over developing Kiwi talent. As coach of the national team he had the opportunity to develop players in the nix for the future. Our biggest advantage is one that we never really exploited until recently, and that's the fact that we have a monopoly over all of the footballing talent of NZ. Whereas the Australian clubs have (on average) a population pool of about 2 million each to draw from, we've got a population pool of 7 million which is a heck of an advantage.

Not sure it is as simple as that. Remember that the academy wasn't in place in Rickis time, or was only just starting when he left. We had young players around such as Dolye, Rufer and Ridenton, but there was no way to get them game time. That meant that picking up experienced players from Oz was more reliable than going for young kiwis who can't get any game time. 
Also, the population of NZ is just under 5mil, not 7mil. 

kwlap

Ryan

carlind

number8

I watched Waine a few times at David Farrington Park. He is fast, explosive and strong. Pops up everywhere and is dangerous direct in front of the goal. You could clearly see he's on a different level. He looks so young and harmless, but when it's game time he turn into a beast!

Smeltz4PM

Honestly I was critical of Waine when he first started getting sub appearances, seemed to run around with no idea of where he was supposed to be or what to do.

A few starts though and he looks every bit an A-league player. Not just the goals but his body positioning and hold up play seem to get better every week.
Put a three year contract in front of this kid asap.

Yeah, similarly, I saw him at Kiwitea Street against Auckland City receive a ball on the half turn, open up his body and smash it into the top far corner, not to mention how he was in Poland at the U20s or in Fiji where he scored plenty. It’s a major reason why you need to give teenagers leeway at this level, like Cacace and Sutton also were given at the start. It’s something I think the Phoenix have done a lot better in recent time than earlier, though not having the reserves was also a big factor previously.

I always thought it was strange that Herbert would prefer Australian Journeymen over developing Kiwi talent. As coach of the national team he had the opportunity to develop players in the nix for the future. Our biggest advantage is one that we never really exploited until recently, and that's the fact that we have a monopoly over all of the footballing talent of NZ. Whereas the Australian clubs have (on average) a population pool of about 2 million each to draw from, we've got a population pool of 7 million which is a heck of an advantage.

Not sure it is as simple as that. Remember that the academy wasn't in place in Rickis time, or was only just starting when he left. We had young players around such as Dolye, Rufer and Ridenton, but there was no way to get them game time. That meant that picking up experienced players from Oz was more reliable than going for young kiwis who can't get any game time. 
Also, the population of NZ is just under 5mil, not 7mil. 

We have access to the 25 million Australians, same as the other 12 teams. Therefore, while they get two million each we get the two million Australians, plus five million Kiwis. Another way to look at it is 12 teams battle for the 25 million Australians but we also have a monopoly on an additional five million

Herbert didn't have Ridenton, he had Kosta and Marco, both who were good enough to go straight into top teams as foreigners yet struggled for game time here. 

Also, regarding our youngsters developing, I am not sure how many from South Island ever made it (I am not including Wynton Rufer or Ben Sigmund, only the last few years).  It could be that an effective "field of vision" for the selectors might be limited to North Island  - population size is one, and greater exposure is another as well. 

Mainland FC

Also, regarding our youngsters developing, I am not sure how many from South Island ever made it (I am not including Wynton Rufer or Ben Sigmund, only the last few years).  It could be that an effective "field of vision" for the selectors might be limited to North Island  - population size is one, and greater exposure is another as well. 

That could be down to the quality of South Island players just not being the same as those in Auckland or Wellington, which is not helped by the South Island league being weaker than Central and Northern Leagues. For example, the U20/U17 camp NZF held last week at St Peter’s Cambridge had only one South Island based player from 50 or so kids born from 2003 to 2006. Of the U20 players that had moved to the academies, I believe only two were from the South Island, in comparison to Stewart Island even having one. Of course that could also be down to scouting but I suppose the onus is on the South Islanders to show that they are at least as good or better than the Auckland, Hamilton or Wellington players.

Wynton Rufer is not from the South Island.
One reason for lack of South Islanders could be that there a many Rugby Heads down that way. Wellington is  a Football town with way more players  than Rugby. Auckland is probably similar

Mainland FC

Also, regarding our youngsters developing, I am not sure how many from South Island ever made it (I am not including Wynton Rufer or Ben Sigmund, only the last few years).  It could be that an effective "field of vision" for the selectors might be limited to North Island  - population size is one, and greater exposure is another as well. 

So much smarter in yellow and black, too.

Lonegunmen

The Aussie commentators made several mentions of how hard it's been on the Nix, having to stay in Aussie and he amount of quick travel that they have had to do. They were quite complimentary and I thought, if we can do it, why can't Perth? But fair dues to the Commentators, they are starting to appear sympathetic to the challenges that the club face.

I think you'll find it's because we've not had the two main Twits commentate, Harper and Slater.

Not to go too much over old ground but Kosta was trying to displace Greenacre, Iffil or Leo Bertos in a winning team.  
Rojas got starts and parlayed that into a contract at the Victory.
Uffie came in with the owners plan specifically that he should develop young players and we'd had a good academy running before he got here.

Wasn’t Wynton from Wellington? I remember him there as a school boy

Mainland FC

Also, regarding our youngsters developing, I am not sure how many from South Island ever made it (I am not including Wynton Rufer or Ben Sigmund, only the last few years).  It could be that an effective "field of vision" for the selectors might be limited to North Island  - population size is one, and greater exposure is another as well. 

Brockie is from Nelson.

Ryan

kwlap

Ryan

carlind

number8

I watched Waine a few times at David Farrington Park. He is fast, explosive and strong. Pops up everywhere and is dangerous direct in front of the goal. You could clearly see he's on a different level. He looks so young and harmless, but when it's game time he turn into a beast!

Smeltz4PM

Honestly I was critical of Waine when he first started getting sub appearances, seemed to run around with no idea of where he was supposed to be or what to do.

A few starts though and he looks every bit an A-league player. Not just the goals but his body positioning and hold up play seem to get better every week.
Put a three year contract in front of this kid asap.

Yeah, similarly, I saw him at Kiwitea Street against Auckland City receive a ball on the half turn, open up his body and smash it into the top far corner, not to mention how he was in Poland at the U20s or in Fiji where he scored plenty. It’s a major reason why you need to give teenagers leeway at this level, like Cacace and Sutton also were given at the start. It’s something I think the Phoenix have done a lot better in recent time than earlier, though not having the reserves was also a big factor previously.

I always thought it was strange that Herbert would prefer Australian Journeymen over developing Kiwi talent. As coach of the national team he had the opportunity to develop players in the nix for the future. Our biggest advantage is one that we never really exploited until recently, and that's the fact that we have a monopoly over all of the footballing talent of NZ. Whereas the Australian clubs have (on average) a population pool of about 2 million each to draw from, we've got a population pool of 7 million which is a heck of an advantage.

Not sure it is as simple as that. Remember that the academy wasn't in place in Rickis time, or was only just starting when he left. We had young players around such as Dolye, Rufer and Ridenton, but there was no way to get them game time. That meant that picking up experienced players from Oz was more reliable than going for young kiwis who can't get any game time. 
Also, the population of NZ is just under 5mil, not 7mil. 

We have access to the 25 million Australians, same as the other 12 teams. Therefore, while they get two million each we get the two million Australians, plus five million Kiwis. Another way to look at it is 12 teams battle for the 25 million Australians but we also have a monopoly on an additional five million

Herbert didn't have Ridenton, he had Kosta and Marco, both who were good enough to go straight into top teams as foreigners yet struggled for game time here. 

How was Marco not given enough game time? He got a few games in his first season as a 17yr old then was, IIRC, injured in the beginning of his 2nd season but still played 16 games (which is more games than Waine has played this season for comparison).

One of the hurdles for our youth at the time was no youth team, which Australian teams were allowed to have, and then getting game time ahead of the likes of Ifill, Greenacre, Daneil and Bertos etc. without game time behind them.

Barbarouses' flight highlights a major hurdle the Phoenix have in developing young New Zealanders without the presence of a reserve team.

Phoenix chief executive Tony Pignata said the loss of Barbarouses was disappointing for the club but added that Phoenix officials backed the player's rationale.

"We offered Costa a two-year deal to remain at the Phoenix but we understand that, given we have no youth league set-up, he wanted the opportunity to play more regular football.

"The youth league component is vital for us and for football in New Zealand, but it has proven difficult for us to develop a way in which we can give our young talent the opportunity to shine," Pignata said.

"Unless something changes soon, it will be very difficult for us at the Phoenix to bring young talent through and that would be a huge shame."

Pignata said if the club and New Zealand Football could not something out they would continue to lose young talent like Barbarouses because there was no vital stepping stone in that professional career pathway.

He hoped Barbarouses would benefit from the shift to Brisbane.

"Whether he plays in the first team or not he'll get regular football in the National Youth League, which is a very good competition.

"Costa was a foundation member of the club and has won a lot of fans in New Zealand," Pignata said.

"We wish him all the best for the future and we'll continue to watch his development closely." .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/3318724/Barbarouses-dumps-Phoenix-joins-Brisbane-Roar

Ryan

Brockie is from Nelson.

Yes I meant Brockie. So much promise.

I think we got it pretty correct with Rojas, got him in at a young age, and was so scintillating that giving him more games was a no brainer.

With Kosta it was poor that he wasn't getting game time when clearly had potential and had shown glimpses of being better than other options. I was very frustrated with it at the time.

It's fantastic we are having a lot of success with young players now and not so conservative about playing them.

Mainland FC

Also, regarding our youngsters developing, I am not sure how many from South Island ever made it (I am not including Wynton Rufer or Ben Sigmund, only the last few years).  It could be that an effective "field of vision" for the selectors might be limited to North Island  - population size is one, and greater exposure is another as well. 

Ryan Nelsen did alright for himself.

Oska

Mainland FC

Also, regarding our youngsters developing, I am not sure how many from South Island ever made it (I am not including Wynton Rufer or Ben Sigmund, only the last few years).  It could be that an effective "field of vision" for the selectors might be limited to North Island  - population size is one, and greater exposure is another as well. 

Ryan Nelsen did alright for himself.

I presume Jimmy McGarry has Otago roots

Oi Oi Edgecumbe

Oska

Mainland FC

Also, regarding our youngsters developing, I am not sure how many from South Island ever made it (I am not including Wynton Rufer or Ben Sigmund, only the last few years).  It could be that an effective "field of vision" for the selectors might be limited to North Island  - population size is one, and greater exposure is another as well. 

Ryan Nelsen did alright for himself.

I presume Jimmy McGarry has Otago roots

Of the current New Zealanders, their main NZ (I believe) roots are:

Auckland: Marinovic; Hudson-Wihongi; Sutton; Payne; Ridenton; Sail

Wellington: Lewis; Waine; Fenton

Palmerston North: Rufer

Dunedin: McGarry

carlind

Oi Oi Edgecumbe

Oska

Mainland FC

Also, regarding our youngsters developing, I am not sure how many from South Island ever made it (I am not including Wynton Rufer or Ben Sigmund, only the last few years).  It could be that an effective "field of vision" for the selectors might be limited to North Island  - population size is one, and greater exposure is another as well. 

Ryan Nelsen did alright for himself.

I presume Jimmy McGarry has Otago roots

Of the current New Zealanders, their main NZ (I believe) roots are:

Auckland: Marinovic; Hudson-Wihongi; Sutton; Payne; Ridenton; Sail

Wellington: Lewis; Waine; Fenton

Palmerston North: Rufer

Dunedin: McGarry

This seems to reflect the relative population sizes of these places fairly well, but given it's such a small sample size it's not really a surprise to not see a player from Christchurch, for example.