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Nathan Burns - A Phoenix again

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almost 11 years ago

But we don't bring anything to Australian football? 

a.haak

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almost 11 years ago

valeo wrote:

But we don't bring anything to Australian football? 

FMA (Australia’s football media) also named Sydney FC as the Club of the Year. The award is given in recognition of a club’s relationship with, and responsiveness to, the football media.

This is the first time Sydney FC has won the award. Wellington Phoenix and Melbourne Victory were equal second.

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almost 11 years ago

Burns is staying for next season:

Interviewed aftger the loss yesterday:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/football-soccer/news/art...

Burns is regularly mentioned in transfer gossip but he said he would remain at the club in 2015-2016.

"Obviously I'm contracted so we'll see what happens. I love playing here in front of the croud and I've had a great 12 months so I'm really excited."

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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almost 11 years ago

'We'll see what happens'

Doesn't exactly seem nailed on, does it?

a.haak

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almost 11 years ago

What's he going to say?... bugger this; I'm off...

Also, it's not solely about what he wants - it's about what offers come in... if someone offers the club a million he's off, if someone offers a fiver and a cold pie, he isn't. Somewhere in between is a point where you negotiate.

He is contracted to us next season, he is our player - unless something changes that (ie: a sufficient offer).

E + R + O

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almost 11 years ago

Or that rumor that there is a buyout clause in his contract is true.

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almost 11 years ago

Congrats Burnsy! 2014/15 Johnny Warren Medalist.

A-League player of the season!

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almost 11 years ago
Well done Burnsie, Players player 2015
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almost 11 years ago

Smashed it. That early season formed just about got him over the line.

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almost 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Smashed it. That early season formed just about got him over the line.

Could have skipped the last 18 games and finished 3rd, wow.
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almost 11 years ago

Burns is a deserving winner but that is one of the stupidest voting systems. If you vote for the best player after 9, 18 and 27 rounds then players are voting on the first 9 rounds 3 teams. It makes it difficult to make a late run and win the prize.

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almost 11 years ago

totally earned it

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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

Ryan54 wrote:

Burns is a deserving winner but that is one of the stupidest voting systems. If you vote for the best player after 9, 18 and 27 rounds then players are voting on the first 9 rounds 3 teams. It makes it difficult to make a late run and win the prize.

burns could have gotten those 301 pts in the final third...
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almost 11 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Burns is a deserving winner but that is one of the stupidest voting systems. If you vote for the best player after 9, 18 and 27 rounds then players are voting on the first 9 rounds 3 teams. It makes it difficult to make a late run and win the prize.

Huh?

a.haak

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almost 11 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Burns is a deserving winner but that is one of the stupidest voting systems. If you vote for the best player after 9, 18 and 27 rounds then players are voting on the first 9 rounds 3 teams. It makes it difficult to make a late run and win the prize.

What? Players vote after every game AFAIK??




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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

Wibblebutt wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Burns is a deserving winner but that is one of the stupidest voting systems. If you vote for the best player after 9, 18 and 27 rounds then players are voting on the first 9 rounds 3 teams. It makes it difficult to make a late run and win the prize.

What? Players vote after every game AFAIK??

Nope, Johnny Warren is 3 rounds of voting (after every 9 rounds). I think everyone forgets just how good Burns was in the first half of the season. If you were to vote after the season, FBK's good last 2 months would be fresh in everyones mind rather than the anonymous first few months.
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almost 11 years ago

Ryan54 wrote:

Burns is a deserving winner but that is one of the stupidest voting systems. If you vote for the best player after 9, 18 and 27 rounds then players are voting on the first 9 rounds 3 teams. It makes it difficult to make a late run and win the prize.

I assume you meant "voting on the first 9 rounds 3 times". Which wouldn't happen if when voting, everyone is told to base it on the previous 9 rounds only. Better than the award for the entire season being judged on just the past 9 rounds, which would happen if it's just a single vote at the end of the season because that would be all that most people could remember.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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almost 11 years ago

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 11 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Burns is a deserving winner but that is one of the stupidest voting systems. If you vote for the best player after 9, 18 and 27 rounds then players are voting on the first 9 rounds 3 teams. It makes it difficult to make a late run and win the prize.

I assume you meant "voting on the first 9 rounds 3 times". Which wouldn't happen if when voting, everyone is told to base it on the previous 9 rounds only. Better than the award for the entire season being judged on just the past 9 rounds, which would happen if it's just a single vote at the end of the season because that would be all that most people could remember.

Perhaps a tweak that they could make would be to give the last 9 rounds double points, based on the fact that they are the most high-pressured games heading into the finals, where you really want your good players to stand out. Even so, Burns would have still won it at a canter.

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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

Ryan54 wrote:

Burns is a deserving winner but that is one of the stupidest voting systems. If you vote for the best player after 9, 18 and 27 rounds then players are voting on the first 9 rounds 3 teams. It makes it difficult to make a late run and win the prize.

Exactly how it should be.

Why should someone who has played really well for the entire season be beaten by someone who plays a good final few weeks?

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almost 11 years ago

hlmphil wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Burns is a deserving winner but that is one of the stupidest voting systems. If you vote for the best player after 9, 18 and 27 rounds then players are voting on the first 9 rounds 3 teams. It makes it difficult to make a late run and win the prize.

I assume you meant "voting on the first 9 rounds 3 times". Which wouldn't happen if when voting, everyone is told to base it on the previous 9 rounds only. Better than the award for the entire season being judged on just the past 9 rounds, which would happen if it's just a single vote at the end of the season because that would be all that most people could remember.

Perhaps a tweak that they could make would be to give the last 9 rounds double points, based on the fact that they are the most high-pressured games heading into the finals, where you really want your good players to stand out. Even so, Burns would have still won it at a canter.

That would reward players who are slack early on, when the games are worth just as much.
You know we belong together...

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almost 11 years ago

Oska wrote:

hlmphil wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Burns is a deserving winner but that is one of the stupidest voting systems. If you vote for the best player after 9, 18 and 27 rounds then players are voting on the first 9 rounds 3 teams. It makes it difficult to make a late run and win the prize.

I assume you meant "voting on the first 9 rounds 3 times". Which wouldn't happen if when voting, everyone is told to base it on the previous 9 rounds only. Better than the award for the entire season being judged on just the past 9 rounds, which would happen if it's just a single vote at the end of the season because that would be all that most people could remember.

Perhaps a tweak that they could make would be to give the last 9 rounds double points, based on the fact that they are the most high-pressured games heading into the finals, where you really want your good players to stand out. Even so, Burns would have still won it at a canter.

That would reward players who are slack early on, when the games are worth just as much.

yup a win is worth three points in October and April (unless the game is a six pointer)
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almost 11 years ago · edited almost 11 years ago · History

Congrats to Burnsy who becomes part of Phoenix folklore if he hadn't already.

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almost 11 years ago

20 Legend wrote:

Ryan54 wrote:

Burns is a deserving winner but that is one of the stupidest voting systems. If you vote for the best player after 9, 18 and 27 rounds then players are voting on the first 9 rounds 3 teams. It makes it difficult to make a late run and win the prize.

Exactly how it should be.

Why should someone who has played really well for the entire season be beaten by someone who plays a good final few weeks?

I don't think you understand what he is saying at all.
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almost 11 years ago

Leggy wrote:

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

Burns was one of the best players in the league while at Adelaide.

a.haak

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almost 11 years ago

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

Burns was one of the best prospects in the league while at Adelaide.

FTFY

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almost 11 years ago

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

Burns was one of the best players in the league while at Adelaide.

I used to follow Adelaide a bit in the early days of A-league in the ACL. He made the Adelaide United 'Team of the Decade'

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liberty_nz wrote:

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

Burns was one of the best prospects in the league while at Adelaide.

FTFY

No, he was one of the best players. Him and Djite carved teams up.

He also scored Adelaide's first hat-trick before scoring our first.

a.haak

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almost 11 years ago

valeo wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

Burns was one of the best prospects in the league while at Adelaide.

FTFY

No, he was one of the best players. Him and Djite carved teams up.

He also scored Adelaide's first hat-trick before scoring our first.

He played for Adelaide from 2006 to 2008 and since then he has been average.  Have a look and see what he did between 08 and 14. I'm not disputing his ability, I merely pointed out that Ernie helped him a lot. Just to add that in two seasons at Adelaide he only scored 9 goals.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 11 years ago


He made the Adelaide United 'Team of the Decade'


tallest pygmy in the village then?
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almost 11 years ago

Leggy wrote:

valeo wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

Burns was one of the best prospects in the league while at Adelaide.

FTFY

No, he was one of the best players. Him and Djite carved teams up.

He also scored Adelaide's first hat-trick before scoring our first.

He played for Adelaide from 2006 to 2008 and since then he has been average.  Have a look and see what he did between 08 and 14. I'm not disputing his ability, I merely pointed out that Ernie helped him a lot. Just to add that in two seasons at Adelaide he only scored 9 goals.

Oh, no doubt he had a few bad years - but that was mostly due to the team environments that he was in and injury issues it seems. Just making the point that he was already a very good player, especially in the A-League ; Ernie has done well to mould him into more of a striker than a traditional winger though.

a.haak

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almost 11 years ago

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

valeo wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

Burns was one of the best prospects in the league while at Adelaide.

FTFY

No, he was one of the best players. Him and Djite carved teams up.

He also scored Adelaide's first hat-trick before scoring our first.

He played for Adelaide from 2006 to 2008 and since then he has been average.  Have a look and see what he did between 08 and 14. I'm not disputing his ability, I merely pointed out that Ernie helped him a lot. Just to add that in two seasons at Adelaide he only scored 9 goals.

Oh, no doubt he had a few bad years - but that was mostly due to the team environments that he was in and injury issues it seems. Just making the point that he was already a very good player, especially in the A-League ; Ernie has done well to mould him into more of a striker than a traditional winger though.

That is exactly my point.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 11 years ago

Leggy wrote:

valeo wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

Burns was one of the best prospects in the league while at Adelaide.

FTFY

No, he was one of the best players. Him and Djite carved teams up.

He also scored Adelaide's first hat-trick before scoring our first.

He played for Adelaide from 2006 to 2008 and since then he has been average.  Have a look and see what he did between 08 and 14. I'm not disputing his ability, I merely pointed out that Ernie helped him a lot. Just to add that in two seasons at Adelaide he only scored 9 goals.

Which is precisely why I think Phoenix should look at the sudden available Dugandzic. Maybe not Burns levels, but only 25 now.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 11 years ago

Leggy wrote:

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

valeo wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

Burns was one of the best prospects in the league while at Adelaide.

FTFY

No, he was one of the best players. Him and Djite carved teams up.

He also scored Adelaide's first hat-trick before scoring our first.

He played for Adelaide from 2006 to 2008 and since then he has been average.  Have a look and see what he did between 08 and 14. I'm not disputing his ability, I merely pointed out that Ernie helped him a lot. Just to add that in two seasons at Adelaide he only scored 9 goals.

Oh, no doubt he had a few bad years - but that was mostly due to the team environments that he was in and injury issues it seems. Just making the point that he was already a very good player, especially in the A-League ; Ernie has done well to mould him into more of a striker than a traditional winger though.

That is exactly my point.

You said he was "pretty average" before coming to us, quite different from "a very good player".
You know we belong together...

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almost 11 years ago

Oska wrote:

Leggy wrote:

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

valeo wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

Burns was one of the best prospects in the league while at Adelaide.

FTFY

No, he was one of the best players. Him and Djite carved teams up.

He also scored Adelaide's first hat-trick before scoring our first.

He played for Adelaide from 2006 to 2008 and since then he has been average.  Have a look and see what he did between 08 and 14. I'm not disputing his ability, I merely pointed out that Ernie helped him a lot. Just to add that in two seasons at Adelaide he only scored 9 goals.

Oh, no doubt he had a few bad years - but that was mostly due to the team environments that he was in and injury issues it seems. Just making the point that he was already a very good player, especially in the A-League ; Ernie has done well to mould him into more of a striker than a traditional winger though.

That is exactly my point.

You said he was "pretty average" before coming to us, quite different from "a very good player".

He was very average in the 4/5 years before he came to us. Are you having a bad day or just looking to be obstreperous.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 11 years ago

Leggy wrote:

Oska wrote:

Leggy wrote:

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

valeo wrote:

liberty_nz wrote:

valeo wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Burns deserved this award but credit should also go to Ernie as prior to him coming to us Nathan was pretty average.

Burns was one of the best prospects in the league while at Adelaide.

FTFY

No, he was one of the best players. Him and Djite carved teams up.

He also scored Adelaide's first hat-trick before scoring our first.

He played for Adelaide from 2006 to 2008 and since then he has been average.  Have a look and see what he did between 08 and 14. I'm not disputing his ability, I merely pointed out that Ernie helped him a lot. Just to add that in two seasons at Adelaide he only scored 9 goals.

Oh, no doubt he had a few bad years - but that was mostly due to the team environments that he was in and injury issues it seems. Just making the point that he was already a very good player, especially in the A-League ; Ernie has done well to mould him into more of a striker than a traditional winger though.

That is exactly my point.

You said he was "pretty average" before coming to us, quite different from "a very good player".

He was very average in the 4/5 years before he came to us. Are you having a bad day or just looking to be obstreperous.

He actually looked very  decent at Jets last season and, and that takes some effort given how shark the Jets have been in recent years.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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almost 11 years ago

Much quoting. 


Allegedly

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almost 11 years ago

Much obstreperosity.

Allegedly.

You know we belong together...

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almost 11 years ago

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