I think the only reason to replace Italiano is because a decent new coach would tell Welnix what is needed and not accept the role otherwise.
Italiano is a young coach who can't afford to rock the boat too much. Dome and Gill, my impression, are willing to buy Welnix's academy development strategy and foist unready kids on the coach.
That combined with Ishige, Payne, Retre, Mileusnic and Oluwayemi injured has the coach trying to patch holes with the limited squad the club has allowed him.
I'm not saying Chief is faultless here. But if people want this club fixed it is a lot more than changing the coach that's needed, I think.
It appears to me that the ambitionless Welnix were too scared to let Chiefy go at the end of his contract and find somebody else - they wanted what they got out of Chiefy Season 1 again, somebody who didnt need big money signings (he only signed al-Taay and Duncan ahead of that season from memory) and could create a very successful team that included several acadamy players which would shine and be sold. They hoped Chiefy Season 2 was just a blip.
Few agree with that decision, but you can sorta see the logic. But once they made that decision they had to back him somewhat when it came to new signings as we had lost a lot of good players after both of the last two seasons, and nobody we had signed or promoted from the academy looked like they were anywhere near as good as the players we had lost.
But it appears they didn't back him when you look at the players we signed this year on paper. So for me, Chiefy was on a hiding to nothing and was set up to fail. This explains his crazy philosophy for this season. High risk high reward strategy because that was probably the only way he could foresee success with the incredibly weak squad we have.
His gamble has failed. It is clear to everyone now that it isn't going to work. But given his circumstances it wasnt the stupidest gamble to make, and the bigger gamble was Welnix burying their heads in the sand, re-signing Chiefy, giving him nothing to work with, and hoping he would be able to get blood out of a stone.
I think the only reason to replace Italiano is because a decent new coach would tell Welnix what is needed and not accept the role otherwise.
Italiano is a young coach who can't afford to rock the boat too much. Dome and Gill, my impression, are willing to buy Welnix's academy development strategy and foist unready kids on the coach.
That combined with Ishige, Payne, Retre, Mileusnic and Oluwayemi injured has the coach trying to patch holes with the limited squad the club has allowed him.
I'm not saying Chief is faultless here. But if people want this club fixed it is a lot more than changing the coach that's needed, I think.
Totally agree, and I said something vaguely similar in the match thread. Is it cheaper to get a new coach or a few class players? If a new coach is cheaper then be careful what you wish for. But if the club finds money for a January splurge on even one more seasoned player - even on a loan deal - this might help. Nagasawa, Eze, Piper, Najjarine and Armiento are all OK but they do not represent the kind of goalscoring threat that wins games regularly.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
So it's not the coaches fault, its a buigger club/organisation wide issue. Ok, lets start form the very very top. Welnix - they own the club, they've set the direction and plan to be a development/selling club - that si the busiens model and it wont be changing unless we get a change in ownership - good luck with that. Then we have our favourite CEO and his staff - all hired to fulfill the business model set by the owners - and we'll never know what KPI's are being set for them, but given they've been here forever they must be meeting 90%+ of them. Our owners are business people at the forefront and know how to make money. Down the bottom we actually have the football arm of the business, we have a coach who has been brought in to develop our youngsters so we can sell them for mega bucks. We've suceeded with some of that but the onfield stuff is not working. Tactics appear to be confusing the players at best, utterly non-sensical at worst. Blaming one person seems pointless, it's not just the managers fault that the team are struggling, it's not solely the players fault either - it's all of their responsibility. Do the owners have any responsibility for what's happening onfield - a little, they set the plan in motion and this is what happenes when you sell your big names youngsters and the replacements dont work out. Does the CEO have any responsibility with the onfield stuff - minimal if any. His arena is purey the non-football stuff - gameday experience and marketing all his, but not the results.
Blame who you want, but this is the club we have right now and the machine is doing what it is supposed to be doing for the owners, perhaps not for us as fans. But like anything, a manager's lifespan a a club can be pretty short. Italiano will move on, whoever we get next had better not be a Kalezic type. But given the demands from the owners for attractive attacking football I'd expect that will be the kind of manager we get next.
So it's not the coaches fault, its a buigger club/organisation wide issue. Ok, lets start form the very very top. Welnix - they own the club, they've set the direction and plan to be a development/selling club - that si the busiens model and it wont be changing unless we get a change in ownership - good luck with that. Then we have our favourite CEO and his staff - all hired to fulfill the business model set by the owners - and we'll never know what KPI's are being set for them, but given they've been here forever they must be meeting 90%+ of them. Our owners are business people at the forefront and know how to make money. Down the bottom we actually have the football arm of the business, we have a coach who has been brought in to develop our youngsters so we can sell them for mega bucks. We've suceeded with some of that but the onfield stuff is not working. Tactics appear to be confusing the players at best, utterly non-sensical at worst. Blaming one person seems pointless, it's not just the managers fault that the team are struggling, it's not solely the players fault either - it's all of their responsibility. Do the owners have any responsibility for what's happening onfield - a little, they set the plan in motion and this is what happenes when you sell your big names youngsters and the replacements dont work out. Does the CEO have any responsibility with the onfield stuff - minimal if any. His arena is purey the non-football stuff - gameday experience and marketing all his, but not the results.
Blame who you want, but this is the club we have right now and the machine is doing what it is supposed to be doing for the owners, perhaps not for us as fans. But like anything, a manager's lifespan a a club can be pretty short. Italiano will move on, whoever we get next had better not be a Kalezic type. But given the demands from the owners for attractive attacking football I'd expect that will be the kind of manager we get next.
I said all this 18 months ago and got shot down. Wellnix are probably very happy with the academy, happy with just about everything except the fall off in support. Wellington has an A-League club, end of. And a production line. It's a long view, a long plan. With no relegation who's bothered if the 1st team don't win anything? Only yous guys. Not Rob's mob.
So it's not the coaches fault, its a buigger club/organisation wide issue. Ok, lets start form the very very top. Welnix - they own the club, they've set the direction and plan to be a development/selling club - that si the busiens model and it wont be changing unless we get a change in ownership - good luck with that. Then we have our favourite CEO and his staff - all hired to fulfill the business model set by the owners - and we'll never know what KPI's are being set for them, but given they've been here forever they must be meeting 90%+ of them. Our owners are business people at the forefront and know how to make money. Down the bottom we actually have the football arm of the business, we have a coach who has been brought in to develop our youngsters so we can sell them for mega bucks. We've suceeded with some of that but the onfield stuff is not working. Tactics appear to be confusing the players at best, utterly non-sensical at worst. Blaming one person seems pointless, it's not just the managers fault that the team are struggling, it's not solely the players fault either - it's all of their responsibility. Do the owners have any responsibility for what's happening onfield - a little, they set the plan in motion and this is what happenes when you sell your big names youngsters and the replacements dont work out. Does the CEO have any responsibility with the onfield stuff - minimal if any. His arena is purey the non-football stuff - gameday experience and marketing all his, but not the results.
Blame who you want, but this is the club we have right now and the machine is doing what it is supposed to be doing for the owners, perhaps not for us as fans. But like anything, a manager's lifespan a a club can be pretty short. Italiano will move on, whoever we get next had better not be a Kalezic type. But given the demands from the owners for attractive attacking football I'd expect that will be the kind of manager we get next.
I said all this 18 months ago and got shot down. Wellnix are probably very happy with the academy, happy with just about everything except the fall off in support. Wellington has an A-League club, end of. And a production line. It's a long view, a long plan. With no relegation who's bothered if the 1st team don't win anything? Only yous guys. Not Rob's mob.
Fair enough....have stated before that Dome's accountability for on field performance is limited. But then in your opinion what accountability should the Director of Football i.e. Sean Gill have for the current state of affairs and what, if anything qualifies him for the role?
It is indeed obvious that Morrison and therefore Domey could not care less about us ever winning anything. For them 6th is a great season, if you see how they stuck by Talay and still wanted him to stay at the end when Talay himself decided to leave, and if you see how much goodwill 2nd place has bought Chiefy (to Morrison and Domey that is spectacular success, whereas I am sure Foley and Becker would see it as a failure because they have different ambitions)
So it's not the coaches fault, its a buigger club/organisation wide issue. Ok, lets start form the very very top. Welnix - they own the club, they've set the direction and plan to be a development/selling club - that si the busiens model and it wont be changing unless we get a change in ownership - good luck with that. Then we have our favourite CEO and his staff - all hired to fulfill the business model set by the owners - and we'll never know what KPI's are being set for them, but given they've been here forever they must be meeting 90%+ of them. Our owners are business people at the forefront and know how to make money. Down the bottom we actually have the football arm of the business, we have a coach who has been brought in to develop our youngsters so we can sell them for mega bucks. We've suceeded with some of that but the onfield stuff is not working. Tactics appear to be confusing the players at best, utterly non-sensical at worst. Blaming one person seems pointless, it's not just the managers fault that the team are struggling, it's not solely the players fault either - it's all of their responsibility. Do the owners have any responsibility for what's happening onfield - a little, they set the plan in motion and this is what happenes when you sell your big names youngsters and the replacements dont work out. Does the CEO have any responsibility with the onfield stuff - minimal if any. His arena is purey the non-football stuff - gameday experience and marketing all his, but not the results.
Blame who you want, but this is the club we have right now and the machine is doing what it is supposed to be doing for the owners, perhaps not for us as fans. But like anything, a manager's lifespan a a club can be pretty short. Italiano will move on, whoever we get next had better not be a Kalezic type. But given the demands from the owners for attractive attacking football I'd expect that will be the kind of manager we get next.
Fair enough....have stated before that Dome's accountability for on field performance is limited. But then in your opinion what accountability should the Director of Football i.e. Sean Gill have for the current state of affairs and what, if anything qualifies him for the role?
Fair enough....have stated before that Dome's accountability for on field performance is limited. But then in your opinion what accountability should the Director of Football i.e. Sean Gill have for the current state of affairs and what, if anything qualifies him for the role?
I have nothing against Gilly personally but I have to agree with this - if we’re unhappy with the coach’s results and the club’s apparent (alleged) unwillingness to do anything about them, then surely DoF is the next throat to choke before the GM?
I also 100% agree with observerfromuh that it’s the club’s job to diagnose the root causes of our failure and come up with a solution, not the supporters’. From my limited understanding of Gilly’s role I’d expect that to be his baby. What I don’t expect is a public execution or that they’ll air their dirty laundry in front of us - we’re their customers not their shareholders, but we can still vote with our feet and our wallets as many are doing so it’s in the club’s interest to give us some glimmer of hope that they have a plan.
“Randomly change stuff and hope for the best” isn’t a plan.
In the history of professional football there are only 2 ways to improve results. 1. Buy better players. 2. Get a manager/coach who can make transformational change to the current lot. So it's up to Wellnix to make a choice if they want to see improvement in results. If...
Welnix and Dome won't be happy right now. Was some story they made their displeasure known inhouse after the 3-1 Jets home loss.
Dome came out and said that Welnix were very grumpy with last season, and there was effectively a full review of the mens team esp Chiefy as a coach.
In a wide ranging interview, he also said the club are not in the top 4-5 clubs for spending (SFC, WSW, VUC, Melb City & AFC) but their player budget is not the lowest, the training facilities are world class and the owners expect to make the finals each season as a minimum.
But yes the club are not AFC, where winning silverware is a higher, easily no 1 priority. Womens team, Academy, developing young players to sell, Charter School - the Nix have more going on.
However again neither the owners nor Dome will be happy. They won't be blind to the piss poor crowds.
They love stability, and they won't enjoy sacking Chiefy - but a repeat of the VUC performance in Brissy and I wouldn't be shocked if that's his last game in charge.
A narrow loss, draw or a win and it likely continues to drag on. Especially with the promise of some returnees from injury and a new visa 10 signing.
Chiefy is almost a fortnight by fortnight proposition I feel now. Two bad consecutive losses, and he might get the boot. Bad loss, followed by narrow loss/draw/win he hangs in there.
It is indeed obvious that Morrison and therefore Domey could not care less about us ever winning anything. For them 6th is a great season, if you see how they stuck by Talay and still wanted him to stay at the end when Talay himself decided to leave, and if you see how much goodwill 2nd place has bought Chiefy (to Morrison and Domey that is spectacular success, whereas I am sure Foley and Becker would see it as a failure because they have different ambitions)
the level of investment from Foley (and others) demands success. they are not worried creating a club that is self sustaining.
last season the 'nix were spending under the cap (and probably this season), whereas afc are spending significantly more (which will be interesting to see how they manage when some of the carve outs for them drop off). and tbf, the 'nix got the same amount of points as afc in arguably a tougher league excluding afc ofcourse, as everyone else (and more importantly for clubs with lower revenues overall) was au$1.5million+ richer.
Well, to repeat, missing Oluwayemi, AKH, Ishige, Payne, Retre, Mileusnic, GSR, Walker, Supyk - I think that's the list - just might have a lot to do with it too.
Two years in a row of serious injury impacts.
They beefed up the number of senior players.
They brought in two new imports, both of whom we've recognised have been pretty good signings.
But we've not been seeing five of the senior starters due to injury.
But yep, all Chief, Dome's, Gill's and Welnix's fault.
Sometimes shark happens and sometimes lightening strikes twice.
I am not sure if it is Chiefy's role to develop the Academy product for sale, although it probably plays a part in his job description. I would expect that Gill has a greater role, with Italiano and Greenacre being involved. That is pure speculation on my part. My main point is is that we have an inadequate core of seasoned professionals to cope with teams like Victory even if we beat CCM. This is either because the seasoned players are here but are injured, like Payne (and Mileusnic or Ishige) or because we cannot attract significantly better players here for the money offered (anymore / right now). And this inadequacy will also not provide on-field sufficient development for the youngsters we are supposed to develop and sell on. The fine tuning of quality and number of seasoned core players vs. the quality and number of younger locally developed players is what is not working well right now, causing us all sorts of headaches. Again, this is just what I think on the strength of this season but also past season. The team that could afford to have Duncan on the bench two years ago and Kraev or Zawada upfront, would have been the right team to give our youngsters a better (safer?) development path, made more money from the gate takings, and attract better replacement signings for people moving on like Wooten or Al-Taay.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
I like Chief, he seems like a nice person and genuinely loves this club. It feels like more than a job to him. He doesn't deserve the death threats and other online hate directed at him. I hope the club are doing what they can to rally around him and the players. 5-1 is should be an unacceptable loss, but I guess it's better than losing 5 games 1 nil. Hopefully the week in Australia will help us.
I like Chief, he seems like a nice person and genuinely loves this club. It feels like more than a job to him. He doesn't deserve the death threats and other online hate directed at him. I hope the club are doing what they can to rally around him and the players. 5-1 is should be an unacceptable loss, but I guess it's better than losing 5 games 1 nil. Hopefully the week in Australia will help us.
100% some fans really need to take a close look at themselves and i wouldnt even call them fans. Not sure why some dickhead thinks he has the right to email a staff member with the most disgusting insults and the use of bad language. If i had my way they would be banned and their membership torn up and they would be removed from all fan groups. There is no excuse for that sort of behavior.
I don’t know about this season but I believe last season it has been publicly stated by Dome that the nix did not go under the cap. As did many others. That’s why the league changed the cap system moving forward as all clubs were living beyond their means.
Dome only listed 5 teams who spent more than them. If it was more, he no doubt would have said so.
Foley has stated he wants the club to be self sufficient come year 3. Actually with the new cap rules it will help. Good sponsorship money is coming in now and coupled with money from any players they send to the All Whites World Cup squad, this may be achievable. Crowds are also decent.
Don’t know of course what they may get from the Saudi money/OFC and any transfer fees moving forward. Bullion
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It is indeed obvious that Morrison and therefore Domey could not care less about us ever winning anything. For them 6th is a great season, if you see how they stuck by Talay and still wanted him to stay at the end when Talay himself decided to leave, and if you see how much goodwill 2nd place has bought Chiefy (to Morrison and Domey that is spectacular success, whereas I am sure Foley and Becker would see it as a failure because they have different ambitions)
the level of investment from Foley (and others) demands success. they are not worried creating a club that is self sustaining.
last season the 'nix were spending under the cap (and probably this season), whereas afc are spending significantly more (which will be interesting to see how they manage when some of the carve outs for them drop off). and tbf, the 'nix got the same amount of points as afc in arguably a tougher league excluding afc ofcourse, as everyone else (and more importantly for clubs with lower revenues overall) was au$1.5million+ richer.
I don’t know about this season but I believe last season it has been publicly stated by Dome that the nix did not go under the cap. As did many others. That’s why the league changed the cap system moving forward as all clubs were living beyond their means.
Dome only listed 5 teams who spent more than them. If it was more, he no doubt would have said so.
Foley has stated he wants the club to be self sufficient come year 3. Actually with the new cap rules it will help. Good sponsorship money is coming in now and coupled with money from any players they send to the All Whites World Cup squad, this may be achievable. Crowds are also decent.
Don’t know of course what they may get from the Saudi money/OFC and any transfer fees moving forward. Bullion
imanixsupporter
It is indeed obvious that Morrison and therefore Domey could not care less about us ever winning anything. For them 6th is a great season, if you see how they stuck by Talay and still wanted him to stay at the end when Talay himself decided to leave, and if you see how much goodwill 2nd place has bought Chiefy (to Morrison and Domey that is spectacular success, whereas I am sure Foley and Becker would see it as a failure because they have different ambitions)
the level of investment from Foley (and others) demands success. they are not worried creating a club that is self sustaining.
last season the 'nix were spending under the cap (and probably this season), whereas afc are spending significantly more (which will be interesting to see how they manage when some of the carve outs for them drop off). and tbf, the 'nix got the same amount of points as afc in arguably a tougher league excluding afc ofcourse, as everyone else (and more importantly for clubs with lower revenues overall) was au$1.5million+ richer.
Nix are on record at spending 97% of the cap. So under the cap.
"This season the Wellington Phoenix said they spent 97 percent of the salary cap and Auckland FC said they had used "probably all of the salary cap what's applicable to us this season". " https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/558502/weaken-the-product-the-dispute-over-the-a-league-salary-cap
AFC might be aiming at some point, but certainly not now, to be self sufficient - though I wonder if that's like the owners of PSG (Qatar) having their shirt sponsor being worth the most in world football at some point recently being Qatar Airways. It will also be easier to be self sufficient when their player wages drop as carve outs in the cap for them cease.
Well, to repeat, missing Oluwayemi, AKH, Ishige, Payne, Retre, Mileusnic, GSR, Walker, Supyk - I think that's the list - just might have a lot to do with it too.
Two years in a row of serious injury impacts.
They beefed up the number of senior players.
They brought in two new imports, both of whom we've recognised have been pretty good signings.
But we've not been seeing five of the senior starters due to injury.
But yep, all Chief, Dome's, Gill's and Welnix's fault.
Sometimes shark happens and sometimes lightening strikes twice.
stop with the excuses dude. Chiefy is the worst coach in the league.
Plays a team with nine people and does not change the tactics. Should have been sacked for that.
The best option would be for Chiefy to go now imo.
Also half those players you mentioned are a) not good enough or b) just got injured.
Well, to repeat, missing Oluwayemi, AKH, Ishige, Payne, Retre, Mileusnic, GSR, Walker, Supyk - I think that's the list - just might have a lot to do with it too.
Two years in a row of serious injury impacts.
They beefed up the number of senior players.
They brought in two new imports, both of whom we've recognised have been pretty good signings.
But we've not been seeing five of the senior starters due to injury.
But yep, all Chief, Dome's, Gill's and Welnix's fault.
Sometimes shark happens and sometimes lightening strikes twice.
stop with the excuses dude. Chiefy is the worst coach in the league.
Plays a team with nine people and does not change the tactics. Should have been sacked for that.
The best option would be for Chiefy to go now imo.
Also half those players you mentioned are a) not good enough or b) just got injured.
In your opinion, of the 9 he listed 6 are long term injuries dont get how you can say they just got injured.
Well, to repeat, missing Oluwayemi, AKH, Ishige, Payne, Retre, Mileusnic, GSR, Walker, Supyk - I think that's the list - just might have a lot to do with it too.
Two years in a row of serious injury impacts.
They beefed up the number of senior players.
They brought in two new imports, both of whom we've recognised have been pretty good signings.
But we've not been seeing five of the senior starters due to injury.
But yep, all Chief, Dome's, Gill's and Welnix's fault.
Sometimes shark happens and sometimes lightening strikes twice.
stop with the excuses dude. Chiefy is the worst coach in the league.
Plays a team with nine people and does not change the tactics. Should have been sacked for that.
The best option would be for Chiefy to go now imo.
Also half those players you mentioned are a) not good enough or b) just got injured.
OK, there's nine of them out. So, by your own reckoning half of them are good enough. As I and others have said we've been missing four starters or strong subs for most of the season. Payne, Ishige, Mileusnic and Retre. Add Oluweyemi last game. So make that five missing for the hiding at AAMI.
No-one is arguing Chief is perfect. But it is delusional to ignore the injuries impact.
You don't get to just make stuff up to suit your opinion.
Well, to repeat, missing Oluwayemi, AKH, Ishige, Payne, Retre, Mileusnic, GSR, Walker, Supyk - I think that's the list - just might have a lot to do with it too.
Two years in a row of serious injury impacts.
They beefed up the number of senior players.
They brought in two new imports, both of whom we've recognised have been pretty good signings.
But we've not been seeing five of the senior starters due to injury.
But yep, all Chief, Dome's, Gill's and Welnix's fault.
Sometimes shark happens and sometimes lightening strikes twice.
stop with the excuses dude. Chiefy is the worst coach in the league.
Plays a team with nine people and does not change the tactics. Should have been sacked for that.
The best option would be for Chiefy to go now imo.
Also half those players you mentioned are a) not good enough or b) just got injured.
OK, there's nine of them out. So, by your own reckoning half of them are good enough. As I and others have said we've been missing four starters or strong subs for most of the season. Payne, Ishige, Mileusnic and Retre. Add Oluweyemi last game. So make that five missing for the hiding at AAMI.
No-one is arguing Chief is perfect. But it is delusional to ignore the injuries impact.
You don't get to just make stuff up to suit your opinion.
The fact at the end of the day is that we have been piss poor for the past year and this season.
If you and others are to excuse this on injuries and not because we have the worst coach in the league with no improvement in sight, it sums up the mentality of the current management - happy with top six - aka a club that doesn't win anything.
I admit, may have got my numbers wrong but you cannot blame the state of the club on injuries.
I know the days of Darije Kalezić were bad but he probably would have fluked a point against AFC if he had 5 chances too.
Chiefy spun a weird angle about McCarron in his post match press conference - basically said Eamon has played really well in the games he has played in, can't fault him for any of the goals tonight, but he is 100 percent getting dropped
I feel this is down, not just to the football, but the way the club and Chief have talked about the football and to the public.
Look how quickly the women have brought in replacements compared to the men.
Then there’s the issues with players last year and a lot of unrealistic expectations.
It feels like about half the fan base were happy to give Chief some time this year, but not too much. They’ve been gone for 4 home games and we’ve seen nothing yet which suggests in any way that any of them will be back, bouncy castles and water fights or not.
I think it can’t be left until the end of the season and probably should be done now to let the new coach a little time before the next home game.
I think perhaps people will give a new coaches bad results at the start of a reign and picking up the pieces more time. Perhaps there would even be a new coach bounce.
These are fans who were at non derby games this season who weren’t at any of the last 4. I don’t think we can ignore the consistently low crowds.
I feel this is down, not just to the football, but the way the club and Chief have talked about the football and to the public.
Look how quickly the women have brought in replacements compared to the men.
Then there’s the issues with players last year and a lot of unrealistic expectations.
It feels like about half the fan base were happy to give Chief some time this year, but not too much. They’ve been gone for 4 home games and we’ve seen nothing yet which suggests in any way that any of them will be back, bouncy castles and water fights or not.
I think it can’t be left until the end of the season and probably should be done now to let the new coach a little time before the next home game.
I think perhaps people will give a new coaches bad results at the start of a reign and picking up the pieces more time. Perhaps there would even be a new coach bounce.
These are fans who were at non derby games this season who weren’t at any of the last 4. I don’t think we can ignore the consistently low crowds.
the difference in crowd of the derby this season in comparison to last season should have sent alarm bells ringing.
Well, to repeat, missing Oluwayemi, AKH, Ishige, Payne, Retre, Mileusnic, GSR, Walker, Supyk - I think that's the list - just might have a lot to do with it too.
Two years in a row of serious injury impacts.
They beefed up the number of senior players.
They brought in two new imports, both of whom we've recognised have been pretty good signings.
But we've not been seeing five of the senior starters due to injury.
But yep, all Chief, Dome's, Gill's and Welnix's fault.
Sometimes shark happens and sometimes lightening strikes twice.
stop with the excuses dude. Chiefy is the worst coach in the league.
Plays a team with nine people and does not change the tactics. Should have been sacked for that.
The best option would be for Chiefy to go now imo.
Also half those players you mentioned are a) not good enough or b) just got injured.
OK, there's nine of them out. So, by your own reckoning half of them are good enough. As I and others have said we've been missing four starters or strong subs for most of the season. Payne, Ishige, Mileusnic and Retre. Add Oluweyemi last game. So make that five missing for the hiding at AAMI.
No-one is arguing Chief is perfect. But it is delusional to ignore the injuries impact.
You don't get to just make stuff up to suit your opinion.
The fact at the end of the day is that we have been piss poor for the past year and this season.
If you and others are to excuse this on injuries and not because we have the worst coach in the league with no improvement in sight, it sums up the mentality of the current management - happy with top six - aka a club that doesn't win anything.
I admit, may have got my numbers wrong but you cannot blame the state of the club on injuries.
I know the days of Darije Kalezić were bad but he probably would have fluked a point against AFC if he had 5 chances too.
Lols I wasn't expecting the old argument that Chief's a dud because an imaginary Kalezic coached Nix side would get at least an imaginary point off an imaginary AFC.
The injuries are real. No matter how vivid your imagination is to fabricate excuses why they don't matter.
I mean Buffy said that Auckland are down 25% too, even though they’re still top. And we fought so hard in that first derby. Fark. 😔. Rocked them and cost them players and points in their next games, even if we couldn’t grab any.
Still for Wrexham there was 25K and in October 6,890 for the Roar.
Then November and December four crowds in the mid or low 3,000s.
One of them, 3,030, is the lowest attendance ever for a home game at Sky Stadium.
Even a win against the Roar won’t reverse that, I don’t think.
Can we circle back to why it is that the Nix men's teams seem to get far more season-ending injuries to top players than other teams? Is something terribly wrong in the strength-conditioning area?
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Can we circle back to why it is that the Nix men's teams seem to get far more season-ending injuries to top players than other teams? Is something terribly wrong in the strength-conditioning area?
I haven’t done the numbers, but isn’t that true of the women’s team too?
Can we circle back to why it is that the Nix men's teams seem to get far more season-ending injuries to top players than other teams? Is something terribly wrong in the strength-conditioning area?
If they were training injuries then sure you could look a the way they are training etc, but the season ending ones have occurred during a game and have been contact induced.
A lot of the major season ending injuries seem to be early season. Not just this season but previous season as well for the womens team. Which would suggest something about the pre season conditioning could be looked at ?
Could be mistaken but im sure i saw or heard from somewhere that the club had done or got someone to do a deep dive into the injuries. The finding came back nothing could be found that could be blamed as the reason for the injuries. Could it just possibly be flat out bad luck.
Could be mistaken but im sure i saw or heard from somewhere that the club had done or got someone to do a deep dive into the injuries. The finding came back nothing could be found that could be blamed as the reason for the injuries. Could it just possibly be flat out bad luck.
That can’t be the case given that’s two years in a row, surely? The in game knocks and injuries sure, no one can legislate for them but there must be something in it? Too few actual pre-season games?
