CCM with a big win last night. The A League is all over the place result wise.
I think some teams having shorter turnarounds than others definitely plays a part, ie less rest in a taxing time of year with the heat to deal with.
Red carded Valkanis mentioned after the Roar's win at CCM, he was wary of the Nix who were already up in Brissy preparing.
Now Adelaide with 1 day less rest than the Nix have to travel to NZ. Draw kind to the Phoenix the last few games.
Dont Adelaide also have some young guys away with an Aussie team. Hate to be the one to say it but this is one them games we seem to have a habit of tripping up on
9.Luka JOVANOVIĆ (international duty) 19.Yaya DUKULY (international duty) 55.Ethan ALAGICH (international duty) 20.Dylan PIERIAS (long term) 3.Bart VRIENDS (hamstring)
All first team players, those are big outs for any team let alone one that relays on youth like Adelaide ballane
coochiee
MetalLegNZ
CCM with a big win last night. The A League is all over the place result wise.
I think some teams having shorter turnarounds than others definitely plays a part, ie less rest in a taxing time of year with the heat to deal with.
Red carded Valkanis mentioned after the Roar's win at CCM, he was wary of the Nix who were already up in Brissy preparing.
Now Adelaide with 1 day less rest than the Nix have to travel to NZ. Draw kind to the Phoenix the last few games.
Dont Adelaide also have some young guys away with an Aussie team. Hate to be the one to say it but this is one them games we seem to have a habit of tripping up on
Sure we’d like to have had seasons more like CC, but they also had 3 back to back dead last finishes. You guys who are down on the club wouldn’t have liked that!
I’d love us to do better, but we’re not some hugely poorly performed club over ten years. We haven’t performed brilliantly either. But that’s the gamble of being a fan, not a bandwagonner.
And I think we were marginally better the decade ish before. We had two bright sparks under Ricki and Ernie where we were competing for a trophy and some lean times in between.
If you think we should be spending more and being more aggressive, protest like they do overseas. And we end up like WSW. In the race twice and second bottom once, with all the ex-Nix players.
In the race means that the finish is within ten points, I think? I might have been more generous a couple of times. Usually 2nd or 3rd. But I put Brisbane in at 4th iirc because they were within ten points.
Maybe not a good definition, but if a few more things had gone right the title was on.
For us I included our second and third finishes, for example.
I’ve just ignored the finals and the cup competitions. 😉 Too much work and apart from our Jaushy, Louis, Nico and AP run in the pandemic time we’ve been crap in both.
I don’t quite know what that interesting table is meant to show but sure.
Love the ITR interpretation and little comments however.
You should send this to Chief to use next time he is up for a contract extension and negotiation
The point being, Moriarty- or Dick Dastardly I assume the moustache is the same in either case, it’s nothing to do with Chief.
I’m pointing out that we’re not some pariah club amongst all this hand wringing. In the last ten years we’re similar or better than a number of teams in comparable circumstances.
And I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t expect more, especially if we look over the lifetime of the club where I think we’re marginally behind the curve on success.
But that’s not what was said. There was wailing and gnashing of teeth that we’d paid staff out and we had bad times.
A lot of clubs have messy clean outs of staff or of managers. Adelaide had a DoF v manager stoush. Manager lost. WSW doesn’t seem a happy camp right now.
A lot of clubs in the league have had rough times. Rough times can lead to recriminations and fallings out. That’s football. When you fail, it’s very publicly. Often ego and thick skin to criticism is required for success and big egos break hard when they do fail, invariably hurting people. And for lesser lights with fragile egos it can be worse.
This is normal for a football club from time to time. We’re just being a football club and pretty much what’s normal for not being Melbourne V or C or Sydney.
What you and some others are saying is we should do better or should have done better. Different argument. Different questions.
All I’m saying is that having a staff clean out after a bad season and that involving negotiations on terms doesn’t mean we’re somehow terrible, it just means we’re a football club.
It is unusual for a manager to be retained in those circumstances, but I have the feeling you’re already aware of that. And again a different discussion.
The club is bigger than Chief, though, however this season turns out.
Having a manager who is unpopular with parts of the fan base fighting for their job is also a fairly normal thing in football.
You need to offer your consultancy to Rob pro-bono. Good way to get your foot in the door when you desperately want a job I’ve heard.
Have another read of my comments. I was being very nice about your table.
You definitely need to send it to Chief.
martinb
AucklandPhoenix
I don’t quite know what that interesting table is meant to show but sure.
Love the ITR interpretation and little comments however.
You should send this to Chief to use next time he is up for a contract extension and negotiation
The point being, Moriarty- or Dick Dastardly I assume the moustache is the same in either case, it’s nothing to do with Chief.
I’m pointing out that we’re not some pariah club amongst all this hand wringing. In the last ten years we’re similar or better than a number of teams in comparable circumstances.
And I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t expect more, especially if we look over the lifetime of the club where I think we’re marginally behind the curve on success.
But that’s not what was said. There was wailing and gnashing of teeth that we’d paid staff out and we had bad times.
A lot of clubs have messy clean outs of staff or of managers. Adelaide had a DoF v manager stoush. Manager lost. WSW doesn’t seem a happy camp right now.
A lot of clubs in the league have had rough times. Rough times can lead to recriminations and fallings out. That’s football. When you fail, it’s very publicly. Often ego and thick skin to criticism is required for success and big egos break hard when they do fail, invariably hurting people. And for lesser lights with fragile egos it can be worse.
This is normal for a football club from time to time. We’re just being a football club and pretty much what’s normal for not being Melbourne V or C or Sydney.
What you and some others are saying is we should do better or should have done better. Different argument. Different questions.
All I’m saying is that having a staff clean out after a bad season and that involving negotiations on terms doesn’t mean we’re somehow terrible, it just means we’re a football club.
It is unusual for a manager to be retained in those circumstances, but I have the feeling you’re already aware of that. And again a different discussion.
The club is bigger than Chief, though, however this season turns out.
Having a manager who is unpopular with parts of the fan base fighting for their job is also a fairly normal thing in football.
You need to offer your consultancy to Rob pro-bono. Good way to get your foot in the door when you desperately want a job I’ve heard.
Have another read of my comments. I was being very nice about your table.
You definitely need to send it to Chief.
martinb
AucklandPhoenix
I don’t quite know what that interesting table is meant to show but sure.
Love the ITR interpretation and little comments however.
You should send this to Chief to use next time he is up for a contract extension and negotiation
The point being, Moriarty- or Dick Dastardly I assume the moustache is the same in either case, it’s nothing to do with Chief.
I’m pointing out that we’re not some pariah club amongst all this hand wringing. In the last ten years we’re similar or better than a number of teams in comparable circumstances.
And I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t expect more, especially if we look over the lifetime of the club where I think we’re marginally behind the curve on success.
But that’s not what was said. There was wailing and gnashing of teeth that we’d paid staff out and we had bad times.
A lot of clubs have messy clean outs of staff or of managers. Adelaide had a DoF v manager stoush. Manager lost. WSW doesn’t seem a happy camp right now.
A lot of clubs in the league have had rough times. Rough times can lead to recriminations and fallings out. That’s football. When you fail, it’s very publicly. Often ego and thick skin to criticism is required for success and big egos break hard when they do fail, invariably hurting people. And for lesser lights with fragile egos it can be worse.
This is normal for a football club from time to time. We’re just being a football club and pretty much what’s normal for not being Melbourne V or C or Sydney.
What you and some others are saying is we should do better or should have done better. Different argument. Different questions.
All I’m saying is that having a staff clean out after a bad season and that involving negotiations on terms doesn’t mean we’re somehow terrible, it just means we’re a football club.
It is unusual for a manager to be retained in those circumstances, but I have the feeling you’re already aware of that. And again a different discussion.
The club is bigger than Chief, though, however this season turns out.
Having a manager who is unpopular with parts of the fan base fighting for their job is also a fairly normal thing in football.
You need to offer your consultancy to Rob pro-bono. Good way to get your foot in the door when you desperately want a job I’ve heard.
Now, now you need that evil laugh when you say something! Can’t comment without that. Otherwise doing the same thing over and over like in the Wacky Races loses its charm…
I think everyone forgets sometimes that Welnix are considered one of the best ownership groups in the league, by the other owners
I think you're trying to paint this in a positive light but it does the opposite for me. I think this reflects who's making the judgement on them here, give me other fans being envious of our owners than other owners - valuations increasing while ticking along not achieving anything and a passive fanbase happy to suck it up, no wonder the other owners consider them great
I think everyone forgets sometimes that Welnix are considered one of the best ownership groups in the league, by the other owners
I think you're trying to paint this in a positive light but it does the opposite for me. I think this reflects who's making the judgement on them here, give me others fans being envious of our owners than other owners - valuations increasing while ticking along not achieving anything and a passive fanbase happy to suck it up, no wonder the owner consider them great
get some perspective, a lot of clubs' fans are not and have not been happy with the ownership of their clubs: roar, pg, ccm, Jets, wu, wsw, heck even mv have had problems as reflected in their drop in crowds.
Its like a multi billionaire ownership under a multi club ownership model (one of two clubs in the league that can effectively buy players from other al clubs) with carves out in the cap so they can spend more moved in next door and everyone is fixated on them and developed tunnel vision.
Our owners might be careful with their money, but at least they're not criminals like 777 partners or Tinkler or have the controversies of some of the other ownership groups.
And on that subject CC have a shadow owner they haven’t properly declared to the APL or something?? Watched that video, but didn’t quite understand. Linked to Sydney Olympic?
But also understand the frustration with us not managing to carry any good form or prestige with us from our leading most of the season season.
Could for example if say the Jets went bust could say Sth Melbourne buy the license and switch it to Melbourne
The Nix had a licence that was originally owned by the NZ Knights don't they?
If the cash strapped APL could resell an existing licence for anything north of $10M, they would jump at it.
Though using your example the geographic foot print of the league would be worse with a Newcastle team, replaced by yet another Melbourne team for. Less of an issue if Western United disappear forever.
Our owners might be careful with their money, but at least they're not criminals like 777 partners or Tinkler or have the controversies of some of the other ownership groups.
I think some people are nostalgic for the days we had criminals* as owners, lol
* Exaggeration for comic effect, don't sue me Terry
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009 This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
Slightly off topic maybe, but did anyone else see One News tonight and Bonnie Jansens potshot at the Nix for not signing Jesse Randall and Isa Prins? Not like we can sign everyone. Auckland media quick to shark on us even though we've been carrying professional football in NZ on our own for almost 20 years. Not sure Paul Ifill has done himself any favours either after bagging us too.
Slightly off topic maybe, but did anyone else see One News tonight and Bonnie Jansens potshot at the Nix for not signing Jesse Randall and Isa Prins? Not like we can sign everyone. Auckland media quick to shark on us even though we've been carrying professional football in NZ on our own for almost 20 years. Not sure Paul Ifill has done himself any favours either after bagging us too.
Rant over.
Pretty disappointed in Ifill seems to be carrying some bitterness for some reason. Typical One News only bothering to tell one side of a story.
If Ifill does hold any ill feeling towards the Nix (and that's just speculation) it likely has a bit to do with Callan Elliot's messy Welly (2nd) departure.
It was Ifill who first 'discovered' Elliot down in Nelson, and obviously a big mentor. Did Iffy also play a part in Randall's development?
Could have easily signed Prins instead of signing TWO Aussie journeymen in Najjarine & Armiento, one of whom is well past his physical bestProcrastinixing
Slightly off topic maybe, but did anyone else see One News tonight and Bonnie Jansens potshot at the Nix for not signing Jesse Randall and Isa Prins? Not like we can sign everyone. Auckland media quick to shark on us even though we've been carrying professional football in NZ on our own for almost 20 years. Not sure Paul Ifill has done himself any favours either after bagging us too.
If Ifill does hold any ill feeling towards the Nix (and that's just speculation) it likely has a bit to do with Callan Elliot's messy Welly 92nd) departure.
It was Ifill who first 'discovered' Elliot down in Nelson, and obviously a big mentor. Did Iffy also play a part in Randall's development?
he touched on it on the unused subs and plays down any significant role in Randall's development.
I saw this segment and Iffil doesn't seem bitter to me at all - very measured and reasonable comments. Would recommend people watch it on demand and decide for themselves ballane
Procrastinixing
Slightly off topic maybe, but did anyone else see One News tonight and Bonnie Jansens potshot at the Nix for not signing Jesse Randall and Isa Prins? Not like we can sign everyone. Auckland media quick to shark on us even though we've been carrying professional football in NZ on our own for almost 20 years. Not sure Paul Ifill has done himself any favours either after bagging us too.
Rant over.
Pretty disappointed in Ifill seems to be carrying some bitterness for some reason. Typical One News only bothering to tell one side of a story.
I saw this segment and Iffil doesn't seem bitter to me at all - very measured and reasonable comments. Would recommend people watch it on demand and decide for themselves ballane
Procrastinixing
Slightly off topic maybe, but did anyone else see One News tonight and Bonnie Jansens potshot at the Nix for not signing Jesse Randall and Isa Prins? Not like we can sign everyone. Auckland media quick to shark on us even though we've been carrying professional football in NZ on our own for almost 20 years. Not sure Paul Ifill has done himself any favours either after bagging us too.
Rant over.
Pretty disappointed in Ifill seems to be carrying some bitterness for some reason. Typical One News only bothering to tell one side of a story.
I just had a watch, nothing wrong with what Ifill said. He's obviously close to Randall and Prins and thinks they're good talents and would've liked them at the 'Nix. Jansen certainly niggling with her commentary, but did mean that most of the coverage focussed on the 'Nix rather than AFC.
Could have easily signed Prins instead of signing TWO Aussie journeymen in Najjarine & Armiento, one of whom is well past his physical bestProcrastinixing
Slightly off topic maybe, but did anyone else see One News tonight and Bonnie Jansens potshot at the Nix for not signing Jesse Randall and Isa Prins? Not like we can sign everyone. Auckland media quick to shark on us even though we've been carrying professional football in NZ on our own for almost 20 years. Not sure Paul Ifill has done himself any favours either after bagging us too.
Rant over.
Neither of them are past their physical best and Najjarine has been one of our better players the last couple of games. Don't get the hate for him. Armiento has scored goals and been excellent when used correctly. We need experienced players and players such as Sheridan have been much poorer recently
I have no problems with what Iffil said. The club cant sign everyone and obviously not every player wants to come to the Nix . However hes right in that its a shame a talent like Randall slipped through our fingers. Prims looks like he has enormous potential. Hes now with AFC for their Oceania campaign. However the competition is really strong at AFC for attackers. No way will he be part of the AL squad. The Nix will be his best chance to play AL. As for Najirine. Hes a tidy player but still doesnt have the X factor you need from your 10. Last year Chico made a big impact in every game. Naj needs to boss the play more
Oops, I meant Mileusnic not Armiento as one of two journeyman attackers and the one that is well past his physical best. No idea why I typed Armiento instead
I also saw the segment, thought it was a bit skewed in that there was no reflection that the OFC was not at the level of the a league. Felt a bit like it was "these players didn't sign for their hometown club real madrid, but now have signed for Bayern Munich, real Madrid must be pretty stupid" where as in reality its "Liverpool didn't sign these kids, but they have signed for Wigan"
I suspect a reason Nagasawa is playing better is that Najjarine is good enough to draw his share of the defensive heat and also is making runs creating space for others. So Nagasawa is getting a bit more time and space.
I suspect a reason Nagasawa is playing better is that Najjarine is good enough to draw his share of the defensive heat and also is making runs creating space for others. So Nagasawa is getting a bit more time and space.
Sum of the parts stuff.
Two strikers and a more active AM. And a WB or even two getting forward. He played the ball through to Eze for an assist early doors.
Also he’s got Rufer next to him, not out injured and they’ve played together for two half seasons, plus a pre-season.
If his strength is playing passes then he’s got runners and is able to depend more on the players around him.
Plus he hasn’t been good every game. Some coaches have shut him down with a strong press where he gets the ball.
All that chat about Chief being safe because of NZ employment laws has been debunked then with Robertson being sacked as All Blacks coach.
Not necessarily, like any senior management process, there was a review of his performance, employer said we're not happy, either you walk or we terminate your contract. So he walked.
All that chat about Chief being safe because of NZ employment laws has been debunked then with Robertson being sacked as All Blacks coach.
The other thing being that if that was what was keeping him in a job ie the owners wanted him out and he was using that to hold on, he’d struggle to get work in the A league after that you’d think.
I’m being generous. Outside dollars and population (Melbourne Victory, City and Sydney FC of the past, and Auckland) what has tipped the scales? 4-5 coaches of real quality: Arnold, Ange, Popovic, Vidmar and Nick Montgomery.
We tried with Uffie to buy a top coach. We were close then and we were close with Ernie too.
Chief has got something a bit different. I think we’re gambling that he might be able to grow into a top manager/coach. Again there’s not much separating teams in this league. A small advantage can make the difference.
It might seem a bit silly looking back, but that’s sport. Somethings you can control and some things you can’t, they just happen.
From the point of the business, he’s got to win over a lot of fans who aren’t convinced again yet at this point.
Or maybe are budgeting for Zootopia II, two more games and paying off the Christmas credit card and so are holding off until the derby and one more game when they’ll get a bit more bang for their buck, depending on who you talk to!
The pure numbers don’t show attitude and loyalty I guess, though I was reading into it, only tickets bought and sold.
What? Uffie was nobody before us. Merrick is our only "big name" coach ever.
Potentially the next big thing. He was an assistant coach at title winning Sydney and ambitious without being a Rudan. Had a good CV with age grade iirc.
With the signing of two players it will be interesting to see how the team goes with Chiefy's style of play. This could be the start of something special. Think positive.
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