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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I was fine with the subs, but it seems to be done by the clock. Daniel is always at 65' (although he had to wait for the free kick to get on). Is each minute mapped out for Daniel cos he doesn't wear a watch?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:
2ndBest wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
Disagree completely.  Paston should have come out faster (not necassarily earlier, but faster) and he should have gone in with confidence.  He didn't appear to have gone into it with all his heart at all.

So
1)come charging out
2) ram in hoffman
3)conceed a pen
4) get sent off.
 


No.  Come out quicker, catch the ball.  If he hit Hoffman after he caught it I don't care, it probably wouldn't be a penalty.

I'm aware of the sorry performance of our defence and I don't blame him for either of the other goals.
 
and what if he got there a split second too late?  It's a fine line.
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Yeah that's true, things could have gone array, no doubting that.  Just didn't even look committed at all.  And as I see it he could've given away a penalty (IF it all went bad) and there'd have been a chance of saving it.  Having said that he could have got a red card but Paston's no blundering oaf.  I'm aware I'm saying all of this with the gift of hindsight btw, but yeah, just seemed to show a lack of commitment.

On another note, I had a good lol when Lochhead timed his run dreadfully which allowed Tariq (Tarek?) Elrich to turn inside him and Lochhead grabbed him around the stomach.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think the Fury/Bling game highlights what happens when a keeper over committs.  I'd much rather have Paston's actions over Fury's keeper any day of the week.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
loyalgunner wrote:

2ndBest wrote:
loyalgunner wrote:
Disagree completely.� Paston should have come out faster (not necassarily earlier, but faster) and he should have gone in with confidence.� He didn't appear to have gone into it with all his heart at all.

So

1)come charging out

2) ram in hoffman

3)conceed a pen

4) get sent off.

�
No.� Come out quicker, catch the ball.� If he hit Hoffman after he caught it I don't care, it probably wouldn't be a penalty.I'm aware of the sorry performance of our defence and I don't blame him for either of the other goals.


That goal is Durante's fault. End of.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The Paston bashing is getting boring - I saw Moss make plenty of mistakes but they were apparently never noticed by some. Paston didn't do much wrong that I could see. 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
where is the 'Paston is better at organising his defense' brigade? arf

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Zephyr wrote:
The Paston bashing is getting boring - I saw Moss make plenty of mistakes but they were apparently never noticed by some. Paston didn't do much wrong that I could see.�
Yes 99% of this board is blind to Moss's constant mistakes and ignore Paston's superior organizational skills which is 90% of what goal keeping is about.
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Zephyr wrote:
The Paston bashing is getting boring - I saw Moss make plenty of mistakes but they were apparently never noticed by some. Paston didn't do much wrong that I could see. 
Yes 99% of this board is blind to Moss's constant mistakes and ignore Paston's superior organizational skills which is 90% of what goal keeping is about.
 
haha

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Feverish wrote:
Zephyr wrote:
The Paston bashing is getting boring - I saw Moss make plenty of mistakes but they were apparently never noticed by some. Paston didn't do much wrong that I could see.�
Yes 99% of this board is blind to Moss's constant mistakes and ignore Paston's superior organizational skills which is 90% of what goal keeping is about.

�

haha
Of course you are one of many who think that there is no such thing as organizational skills. You just think jumping around like a circus clown to impress crowds is goalkeeping. That's why Melbourne lost against a far weaker team in CCM, constant losing is something Moss and whatever team he is apart of must put up with.
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Funny that this time last year, everyone was talking about Tony Lochhead getting his 'chance of a lifetime' with Middlesbrough, and now he's just played rubbish for the Nix.
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Feverish wrote:
Zephyr wrote:
The Paston bashing is getting boring - I saw Moss make plenty of mistakes but they were apparently never noticed by some. Paston didn't do much wrong that I could see. 
Yes 99% of this board is blind to Moss's constant mistakes and ignore Paston's superior organizational skills which is 90% of what goal keeping is about.

 

haha
Of course you are one of many who think that there is no such thing as organizational skills. You just think jumping around like a circus clown to impress crowds is goalkeeping. That's why Melbourne lost against a far weaker team in CCM, constant losing is something Moss and whatever team he is apart of must put up with.
 
you better get on the phone to Ernie Merrick and make him aware of this

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Feverish wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Zephyr wrote:
The Paston bashing is getting boring - I saw Moss make plenty of mistakes but they were apparently never noticed by some. Paston didn't do much wrong that I could see. 
Yes 99% of this board is blind to Moss's constant mistakes and ignore Paston's superior organizational skills which is 90% of what goal keeping is about.

 

haha
Of course you are one of many who think that there is no such thing as organizational skills. You just think jumping around like a circus clown to impress crowds is goalkeeping. That's why Melbourne lost against a far weaker team in CCM, constant losing is something Moss and whatever team he is apart of must put up with.
 
you better get on the phone to Ernie Merrick and make him aware of this


But Moss wasn't even close to being to blame for either for the goals by CCM so WTF? Can't we give up on this - one 'keeper got signed by the defending champs and it wasn't the one we're left with. I don't know how Crowther would go, but at the moment it's Paston we've got and he did little wrong while his defence was tacking like an America's cup duel. If that's organising skills then sign him up for Team NZ
Royal2009-08-10 22:11:38
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Jeez....wasn't that little Italian guy good. Vignaloni??..34 years old. Ran the whole show for them. Always on the ball, great vision, superb passer, creative.
 
If the Phoenix had signed him everyone would have gone right off " 34 year old italian midget.... you havin a lauf" That is just the sort of player the Phoenix need...a "go to" man to create stuff in midfield. Those sort of players are worth their weight in gold.
 
Just an after thought. As we played 2 DM's shouldn't one of them...Brown probably, sat on Vignaloli's ass all game? He had a free ride all game. You shut down their playmaker....you shut down their game.
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How about that last ditch block Vignaroli made to deny Hearfield. Not just a pretty passer. Even so, you'd be worried about his durabilty if you were a Newc supporter. I could easily see him going the way of Amaral and Juninho, ie, up on blocks for most of the season.

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He played the ACL for them and doesn't have a history of frailty.  It will be interesting to see how he fares against a midfield that don't let him wander around all day.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Zephyr wrote:
The Paston bashing is getting boring - I saw Moss make plenty of mistakes but they were apparently never noticed by some. Paston didn't do much wrong that I could see. 
Yes 99% of this board is blind to Moss's constant mistakes and ignore Paston's superior organizational skills which is 90% of what goal keeping is about.
 
Haha I remember this argument from last year, didn't we conceed three goals with some fairly dire defence? surely using you're argument that sh*te defence should be blamed on the keepers lack of organization puts Paston in the firing line for the poor defensive effort on Sunday? or did that only hold true for Moss?
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I seem to remember that paston did a great save diving to his right during this game im sure it hasnt been mentioned.

Im a paston fan......I HAVE TO BE!!!!! hes the one whos gotta have the season of his life!!!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Mate I;ve got nothing against Paston in the slightest, just the argument that was used to say that Moss was sh*t and Paston was better

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I've never seen so many crap posts
If its all about the players why bother having a coach?
They've just had an extensive pre season -compared with the Knights they've got a chairman who's put money and resources in - Ricki has the added advantage of being the All Whites coach with access and influence with our own national players - he's also had time in the job to develop his own team  - he's supposed to be a great coach!!!! 
Facts are defence looked disorganised and all over the place, midfield didn't know how to engage and dominate on and off the ball,delivery to front men was less than average and their movement and ball retention wasn't good enough .
Which begs the question what is Ricky doing on the coaching field day in day out as the club is full time???? one worrying aspect is that Sigmund /Lochead and others are going backwards not forwards.
 
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bobmorton wrote:
I've never seen so many crap posts
If its all about the players why bother having a coach?
They've just had an extensive pre season -compared with the Knights they've got a chairman who's put money and resources in - Ricki has the added advantage of being the All Whites coach with access and influence with our own national players - he's also had time in the job to develop his own team  - he's supposed to be a great coach!!!! 
Facts are defence looked disorganised and all over the place, midfield didn't know how to engage and dominate on and off the ball,delivery to front men was less than average and their movement and ball retention wasn't good enough .
Which begs the question what is Ricky doing on the coaching field day in day out as the club is full time???? one worrying aspect is that Sigmund /Lochead and others are going backwards not forwards.
 
 
he was better at Akld City?

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Sigmund just had a bad game. Lockhead tho, is a worry... a big worry!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I think people are underestimating how decent Newcastle is in the competition. The results last year indicates that the season will always be very tight with any team having the ability able to knock off the best team in their day. Early days yet.

However, we do have some problems in the defence. I tend to think that the defenders are a bit lazy and casual in their approach rather than anything else. One thing is probably evident is that almost every A-League team has step up their squad in the playing ability level as well as we have. I don't know if we have step up much in the defensive unit expect for Lia being back from a season long injury.

Lochhead had a tough game because he was up against a real good winger in Song.

atm I don't even mind Mully being on the bench for the midfield (not defence) just to mix it up.
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....atm I don't even mind Mully being on the bench for the midfield (not defence) just to mix it up.
 
The only thing I'd let him mix up would be the Gatorade
Jag2009-08-11 12:54:10

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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EvertonFC wrote:
So last week I wrote an A-League/Phoenix preview for Salient (the vuw student mag) and it was published today, with last night's performance unfortunately not really justifying my faith in them.Some optimism though: it's unlikely that we will defend quite so poorly again all season and I thought Greenacre and Ifill showed promise up front and when they develop a partnership could be great. Leo played well at times too.We always knew that we needed more creativity in the middle (rather than the two DMs) but we also knew that away from home Ricki was very unlikely to take that gamble. Home next week against Perth should see a more adventurous selection and if they play well and justify the change in focus then Ricki may stick with them.So in all, a disappointing result, but it's not all doom and gloom just yet!


Ahh it was you. Good stuff for getting into it. Just read it in my comp class. Snore LOL


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Fentasticman wrote:
Funny that this time last year, everyone was talking about Tony Lochhead getting his 'chance of a lifetime' with Middlesbrough, and now he's just played rubbish for the Nix.
 
Lochhead is not playing well at all......problem is...there doesnt seem to be any competition for the left back spot!!

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Stick Manny on that side and play Lia at RB?

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Yeah, Lochhead and Brown have just gotten worse and worse... and then there's Daniel...

But I agree with Jag and I've said it before, Manny to left back and Lia to right-back. 

Not opposed to the idea of Mulligan playing midfield either.  When he played in Christchurch he was very good.
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luggsy06 wrote:
Zephyr wrote:
The Paston bashing is getting boring - I saw Moss make plenty of mistakes but they were apparently never noticed by some. Paston didn't do much wrong that I could see.�
Yes 99% of this board is blind to Moss's constant mistakes and ignore Paston's superior organizational skills which is 90% of what goal keeping is about.

�

Haha I remember this argument from last year, didn't we conceed three goals with some fairly dire defence? surely using you're argument that sh*te defence should be blamed on the keepers lack of organization puts Paston in the firing line for the poor defensive effort on Sunday? or did that only hold true for Moss?
You are right. However this being the first game of the season I can understand why the communication between Paston and Durante (and the rest of the defence) was lacking. Next game we are going to see a better defence against a stronger side. You heard it here first.
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You are right. However this being the first game of the season I can understand why the communication between Paston and Durante (and the rest of the defence) was lacking. Next game we are going to see a better defence against a stronger side. You heard it here first.


1: Well after that defensive display of course they are going to be better because they couldn't possibly have played much worse. Christ thats hardly rocket science WPF. Paston wasn't to blame for the goals on this occasion. The 6 in front of him were but I'll touch on that below.
The back 6 (sans McKain on occasions) were poor and unlike last year where we bagged our front 4, its the reverse so far. I hope that a week and a 'wake up the season has started' slap in the face will prompt them to consider their effort. Plus only league placings over the course of the season will tell whether Melbourne > Newcastle this year so thats just pure speculation, much like most of the league think we will finish bottom and the Phoenix fans disagree - speculation. After Thursdays effort, Melbourne looked old and their time has come to an end (again could be 1 poor game)



2: You can't help yourself. You just can't see when you are beaten and can't let the last word go to someone else and I'm sure you'll respond to this one as well telling me I'm wrong. You can throw up facts and football knowledge and 'I know better than you' but you are a minority of 1 telling the world of the virtues of Paston over Moss.

This really a dead issue because Moss don't hang his boots here but your words are coming back to bite you in the ass and Pastons' supposed superior defensive organisation skills that make him so much better than other keepers (specifically Moss, the All Whites No 1 for the sake of this argument) were exposed in light of that fact that its a defensive back 4 he played with many times last year and trained with this year.

To me, if he was that good at organising his back 4, the 3rd goal would never have been scored because he would have been yelling at Lockhead to watch the trailing man rather than stay nailed to the deck and say 'please come down the middle and head it in'. Prior to that, he would have given Durante and Sigmund a rocket and things would have tightened up so that Lockhead wouldn't have had to stay nailed to the deck. He may not have been responsible for the goals but I didn't see this organisation nor did I see Paston even give his back 4 a spray. He is not a superior defensive organiser and his hands are not as good as other keepers although I am willing to accept that is only one game and after that performance, we really can only get better because it was just A League inept.

I'll ask you this: If the back 4 are that disjointed again, are you still going to claim that Paston has excellent organisational skills?
Jeff Vader2009-08-11 18:51:46

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Having just watched the A-League  highlights, I reckon the roar has more defensive problems to worry about.  THey parted like the red sea.
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Jeff Vader wrote:
You are right. However this being the first game of the season I can understand why the communication between Paston and Durante (and the rest of the defence) was lacking. Next game we are going to see a better defence against a stronger side. You heard it here first.


1: Well after that defensive display of course they are going to be better because they couldn't possibly have played much worse. Christ thats hardly rocket science WPF. Paston wasn't to blame for the goals on this occasion. The 6 in front of him were but I'll touch on that below.
The back 6 (sans McKain on occasions) were poor and unlike last year where we bagged our front 4, its the reverse so far. I hope that a week and a 'wake up the season has started' slap in the face will prompt them to consider their effort. Plus only league placings over the course of the season will tell whether Melbourne > Newcastle this year so thats just pure speculation, much like most of the league think we will finish bottom and the Phoenix fans disagree - speculation. After Thursdays effort, Melbourne looked old and their time has come to an end (again could be 1 poor game)



2: You can't help yourself. You just can't see when you are beaten and can't let the last word go to someone else and I'm sure you'll respond to this one as well telling me I'm wrong. You can throw up facts and football knowledge and 'I know better than you' but you are a minority of 1 telling the world of the virtues of Paston over Moss.

This really a dead issue because Moss don't hang his boots here but your words are coming back to bite you in the ass and Pastons' supposed superior defensive organisation skills that make him so much better than other keepers (specifically Moss, the All Whites No 1 for the sake of this argument) were exposed in light of that fact that its a defensive back 4 he played with many times last year and trained with this year.

To me, if he was that good at organising his back 4, the 3rd goal would never have been scored because he would have been yelling at Lockhead to watch the trailing man rather than stay nailed to the deck and say 'please come down the middle and head it in'. Prior to that, he would have given Durante and Sigmund a rocket and things would have tightened up so that Lockhead wouldn't have had to stay nailed to the deck. He may not have been responsible for the goals but I didn't see this organisation nor did I see Paston even give his back 4 a spray. He is not a superior defensive organiser and his hands are not as good as other keepers although I am willing to accept that is only one game and after that performance, we really can only get better because it was just A League inept.

I'll ask you this: If the back 4 are that disjointed again, are you still going to claim that Paston has excellent organisational skills?


Watching the highlights again, I'd say the third goal was the worst - I agree that the organisation was poor for that one and that was the one the keeper should have been able to do something about (in terms of directing those in front of him).

Looked like Moss had his problems as well - for what it is worth.
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2ndBest wrote:
Having just watched the A-League  highlights, I reckon the roar has more defensive problems to worry about.  THey parted like the red sea.


Gold Coast as an attacking unit>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Newcastle

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
thats a lot of crocodiles!!

GCU will definitely be one of the strongest attacks in the league


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ha, Paston got the 'save of the week' for his stop from the Elrich shot on Fox Sports FC

a.haak

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ha, beat me by a whisker, mate. Still waiting for some comment about the Nix. Probably in the last 5 minutes of the show....
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Yeah, I was just waiting for them to bag us. Didn't even bother doing that.

a.haak

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