Sawu - FYI
Andrew Boyens is playing for Toronto in the MLS as a right
back but they are leaking goals at the mo' and failing to score,
but wait, salvation is here in the form of Danny Dichio - gawd help
them
It's ridiculous that we are aiming so low... only 8-9 Kiwi players
including the U-20's ?
It's pretty embarassing that we'll fill our side with 10 or 11 cast-offs from the other A-League sides. It's hardly making best use of the advantage we have.
It's pretty embarassing that we'll fill our side with 10 or 11 cast-offs from the other A-League sides. It's hardly making best use of the advantage we have.
I tend to agree. The NZ u20 side showed quite a bit of
class so why not plunder those ranks.
I would like to see 15 or 16 Kiwis with strong foreign players
and Australians making up the numbers and to provide support for
those younger Kiwis in the team with talent but lacking
experience. Certainly there is no need to have anything but
Kiwi keepers.
The other side of the coin is that if a large number of the
squad are All-Whites then the Pheonix is going to be in a spot of
bother on FIFA dates. The FFA needs to have some flexibility
in the scheduling so that teams like the Pheonix can field many
internationals and play an extra A-League game during the week to
catch up. At the moment it is a risk that the club will have
to manage and may influence the desire of the club to call
back a number of All-whites who are playing abroad.
If we start brining in 5 or 6 U20's then theyll all be forced to
see little or no action in the early stages of the campaign. I say
we establish ourselfves as a club, then worry about developing
and/or bringing in NZ talent. Im all for NZ talent but is their
enough and are those who are good enough willing to play for
us!!???
Isn't there a minimum number of young players that have to be on
the roster anyways? Or did I imagine that?
Dont no how anyone can say Steve Old isnt worth getting hold of, 21
years of age, motivated, fit and down to earth. Only just
completing his first year of pro football to add to a pretty
awesome football CV. Playing alongside guys like Okon for the last
year means he knows what it takes to become quality and for NZ
football to go forward hes a must.
If he isnt signed or part of this franchise ill eat my
jandals.
If the Phoenix are going to struggle (and I suspect they might) I
would rather support a solid core of young kiwi players struggling
than what we had at the Knights, (English hacks and Aussie
cast-offs) a team which were worse than struggling most of the
time...honestly sometimes they were unwatchable.
I want to support young guys like Old and Brockie and
Barbarouses, etc. I can't wait to see Covs put on a jersey and play
in Welly again. That is the kind of team I want to support, and
that I will go along to watch.
The only alternative is to say bugger the kiwi content and buy
a team to win the league...anyone would go to watch that...but it
ain't gonna happen...
If the Phoenix are going to struggle (and I suspect they might) I
would rather support a solid core of young kiwi players struggling
than what we had at the Knights, (English hacks and Aussie
cast-offs) a team which were worse than struggling most of the
time...honestly sometimes they were unwatchable.
I want to support young guys like Old and Brockie and
Barbarouses, etc. I can't wait to see Covs put on a jersey and play
in Welly again. That is the kind of team I want to support, and
that I will go along to watch.
The only alternative is to say bugger the kiwi content and buy
a team to win the league...anyone would go to watch that...but it
ain't gonna happen...
If we're talking about either,
A: Winning the league, or
B: Coming last in the league
As our only two possible options then what you're
saying makes sense.
However, we don't have to view things in that dichotomous
manner, which seems typical of NZ sports fans (look at the crap the
cricketers got for finishing in the top four at the world cup) . I
would like to see the Phoenix be competitive on the whole, and
finish mid table in the first season.
I think a mix of import and local, veteran and young
players is a sound approach.
The only alternative is to say bugger the kiwi content and buy a
team to win the league...anyone would go to watch that...but it
ain't gonna happen...
The Salary Cap pretty much means you can't do this anyway.
Hello p_style.... it has taken a while, but I'm all registered :)
Kiwi content definitely floats my boat & I'm another
advocate for giving some of the younger dudes a run - Old has the
world ahead of him, we should make the most of it.
And whoever mentioned Smith & Wilson was onto something...
both would be worthwhile acquisitions.
it'd be good for the phoenix to build with & great for
them to play in this league.
Smith should be definitely be considered - we need
quality strikers, he dominated his league in the US...
new zealanders that watch sport half the time are on the 'i'll go
to a game if theyre winning' approach. this is why 70/30 new
zealand team would not work in version 3. you can be as passionate
as you want about wanting to have nz'ers in the team but at the end
of the day the talent is not here...there is a reason why nz has
only been at the world cup once. sure passion and pride would be on
the line if we had more nz'ers than imports but we'd end up near
the bottom of the table.
a core of strong players no matter what nationality is what we
need (and i think we are half way there) youngsters should be given
a chance ofcourse but they have to have x-factor. if theyre not
amazing in the nzfc what makes you think theyd be amazing in the
a-league if given a chance?
the level in the a-league will increase each year we cant
expect to sign mediocre kiwis just because they kiwi.
So, we're better off signing 11 Australians who the other 7
A-League sides think aren't good enough ?
I think Steven Old's game has suffered a bit from him being dropped
in the deep end and having huge expectation weigh him down. I mean,
he was touted as the future of the AWs only a year or so back and
he was never going to live up to all of that so early in his
career. He seems to have lost confidence but he obviously has the
raw material there to be an international class player one day
soon. I'd say he'd be a great signing for Phoenix and he'd probably
come quite cheap too.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
What about David Mulligan? Vaughan Coveny?
I think Simon Elliott would be worthwhile and getable. He's
been injured at Fulham all season and if fit would be a good
marquee player.
As a marquee what about Ivan Vicelich?
Youth player- Moses Petelo? NZ Under 17's I think and fast as lightning
Youth player- Moses Petelo? NZ Under 17's I think and fast as lightning
I think that people are thinking too small.....I can't remember the
exact limit on the size of the squad but I think that it is
somewhere near 30.... now why can't half of that be made up of good
young NZ talent?? and what about a wider training group like what
the warriors do... I think that ever since they stopped trying to
bring in old hacks from AUS they have been brining through some
good young talent.... just because you put a young player on the
wider team doesn't mean they will always get to play... they first
prove they can compete in training and then go from there.
Limited to 23 man squad with 3 under 20's chuckles, others will
train with the squad, we just can't pay them...
Normo's coming home
Can I just say, how can anyone that has seen che bunce play think
he is a good footballer? really are we kidding ourselves here,
lockhead another average footballer?? can i ask why we keep
bringing up these names Brockie, Hay, Bunce and other crap
footballers that aren't up to it, you just have to watch bunce
playing for the knights last year, never goal side always lacking
in pace, the A-league has fantastic players, its not like the crap
leagues like champs premier and central league where you make a
mistake and are never really punished for it, this is top level
football.
yes, as i was saying, i think now we should be smart enough and man enough to admit that the likes of bunce (as with hickey, van steeden, and so many nz players before them) simply aren't good enough for this level of football, despite how much they might "want it".
at least hay is a classy player, it's just that his head isn't screwed on right. and we all know that brockie is at least young and has shown class- he wouldn't have been signed (or even looked at) by sydney otherwise. he definately deserves a chance.
Che Bunce showed enough at the end of last year to be picked
up by Coventry. Sure, he hasn't had much of a time of it over
there but let's put that in perspective against a guy like Steven
Old. Potential is one thing but at some time you have to
start realising that potential. Steven Old has never had a
"great" game in the A-League, he has never had a "great" game for
the all whites so what has he actually done? I'm not saying
don't sign him, but let's stop banging on about potential, we still
need a team thats going to go out on the park and win football
games in the A-League. Che Bunce did that last year, he may
not have "potential", but he has been there and done it. That
says a lot for me.
Off contract with Coventry as well
Normo's coming home
Yeah,
He was signed by Adrian Heath who was caretaker manager and made the bench while he was in charge, but then they gave Dowie the job and Che dropped out of the frame. He's one of 3 or 4 being cut at the end of the season.
Quite a bit of that has been covered elsewhere on here Terrier, but in Summary:
Mully - Promoted to the Championship with Sc**thorpe. Unlikely to come home.
Coveny - Offered a contract, negotiating now. Highly Likely.
Elliott - Conservatively he's probably pulling in at least $600k at Fulham. It would be a big call to turn your back on that for another twelve months. Plus it would be a big call to ask Terry to stump up competitive wages when he's already putting over $1.2m in to the club. He's a generous man, but the marquee talk may be a bridge to far this season.
Ivan - A good chance if no one else in Holland chases him. Salary could be an issue but he may be a cheaper marquee option.
Moses Petelo - Like the lad but I suspect that apart from Costa the youngsters are likely to come from the U-20 squad rather than the U-17's. More likely Brockie, Jenkins, Pelter, Boxall, Peverley, Roddy Brown... Give Petelo a year or two and I suspect he'll be in the frame.
Hard News2007-05-03 18:52:04
He was signed by Adrian Heath who was caretaker manager and made the bench while he was in charge, but then they gave Dowie the job and Che dropped out of the frame. He's one of 3 or 4 being cut at the end of the season.
What about David Mulligan? Vaughan Coveny?
I think Simon Elliott would be worthwhile and getable. He's
been injured at Fulham all season and if fit would be a good
marquee player.
As a marquee what about Ivan Vicelich?
Youth player- Moses Petelo? NZ Under 17's I think and fast as lightning
Youth player- Moses Petelo? NZ Under 17's I think and fast as lightning
Quite a bit of that has been covered elsewhere on here Terrier, but in Summary:
Mully - Promoted to the Championship with Sc**thorpe. Unlikely to come home.
Coveny - Offered a contract, negotiating now. Highly Likely.
Elliott - Conservatively he's probably pulling in at least $600k at Fulham. It would be a big call to turn your back on that for another twelve months. Plus it would be a big call to ask Terry to stump up competitive wages when he's already putting over $1.2m in to the club. He's a generous man, but the marquee talk may be a bridge to far this season.
Ivan - A good chance if no one else in Holland chases him. Salary could be an issue but he may be a cheaper marquee option.
Moses Petelo - Like the lad but I suspect that apart from Costa the youngsters are likely to come from the U-20 squad rather than the U-17's. More likely Brockie, Jenkins, Pelter, Boxall, Peverley, Roddy Brown... Give Petelo a year or two and I suspect he'll be in the frame.
Hard News2007-05-03 18:52:04
Ben Sigmund anyone? we could do alot worse when it comes to a NZ
defender....
on another note, i really dont think Elliot will come home in the next 12 months, even if Fulham cut him loose im sure there'll be better options around for him (Financially)
...although, if he did come back he'd make a nice signing, if we could get him in time for the new season atleast we wouldnt run short on centre mids
on another note, i really dont think Elliot will come home in the next 12 months, even if Fulham cut him loose im sure there'll be better options around for him (Financially)
...although, if he did come back he'd make a nice signing, if we could get him in time for the new season atleast we wouldnt run short on centre mids
they said on the telly that sigmund was off to australia after the
nzfc final. does anyone know where to? i rate him
highly
Fawkner-Whittlesea in the Victorian Premier League
apparently. The Fawkner website is pretty average so I
couldn't find anything on it when I checked.
He joins Campbell Banks and Jeff Fleming (both at Green Gully) and Henry Fa'arodo at Richmond as recent NZFC players there.
He joins Campbell Banks and Jeff Fleming (both at Green Gully) and Henry Fa'arodo at Richmond as recent NZFC players there.
Fawkner-Whittlesea; what a fantastic name for a club! Sounds so
defiantly middle-class.
It's up there with the great names of Go Ahead Eagles
(Holland), Eleven Men In Flight (Swaziland I think) and O'Higgins
(Chile).
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
BTW, did anyone/everyone see Campbell Banks on Shortland Stret a
couple of months back?
Don't give me sh*t, the wife watches it...
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
You've been waiting for a decent NZ football forum for a while,
haven't you Jam ?
So much so that you've been watching Shortland St. with her indoors ?
So much so that you've been watching Shortland St. with her indoors ?
The Perth Racist or Sime ?
Suspect we'll sign O'Dor and/or Tambouras first.
Here's a left field recruitment idea folks.
How about Nutting ?
He's a Wellington lad, he's still one of the best keepers in NZ and he's retired from international football so he won't be at risk like Paston and Moss of being called up leaving us without any keeper...
Hard News2007-05-04 22:21:52
Suspect we'll sign O'Dor and/or Tambouras first.
Here's a left field recruitment idea folks.
How about Nutting ?
He's a Wellington lad, he's still one of the best keepers in NZ and he's retired from international football so he won't be at risk like Paston and Moss of being called up leaving us without any keeper...
Hard News2007-05-04 22:21:52
I haven't liked the way Utting treats his defenders - there's a way
to order people around, without be-littling them.
I've also seen him make some fairly ordinary misses, e.g., in
game against Auck City earlier in NZFC.
However, I have to say he made numerous sensational saves
against Fiji's Ba last weekend - the best I've seen him in recent
times. Waitakere would not be off to play Japan's best club
without him. If that game was his swan-song, what a way to go
out!
football tragic for too long
Steven old
Odor(dont know first name)
Glen Moss
Vince Lia have all signed
The Perth Racist or Sime ?
Suspect we'll sign O'Dor and/or Tambouras first.
Here's a left field recruitment idea folks.
How about Nutting ?
He's a Wellington lad, he's still one of the best keepers in NZ and he's retired from international football so he won't be at risk like Paston and Moss of being called up leaving us without any keeper...
The Perth Racist? Must have missed something.
Suspect we'll sign O'Dor and/or Tambouras first.
Here's a left field recruitment idea folks.
How about Nutting ?
He's a Wellington lad, he's still one of the best keepers in NZ and he's retired from international football so he won't be at risk like Paston and Moss of being called up leaving us without any keeper...
Peoples Republik of Aucklandia
Steven Odor is his name.
If we start brining in 5 or 6 U20's then theyll all be forced to
see little or no action in the early stages of the campaign. I say
we establish ourselfves as a club, then worry about developing
and/or bringing in NZ talent. Im all for NZ talent but is their
enough and are those who are good enough willing to play for
us!!???
Well said!!!
The Perth Racist? Must have missed something.
Towards Denis Ibrahim, he was overheard making some pretty ugly statements.
Hard News2007-05-05 16:59:53
Ah right - he can stay there then.
Peoples Republik of Aucklandia
ante kovacevic is the biggest slug in the a-league. why is he even
playing football? if there was a sport that mixed sumo and AFL
together then he'd be a good player. straight goon.
Mully - Promoted to the Championship with Sc**thorpe. Unlikely to
come home.
He hasn't made the squad for at least a month or so.
He hasn't made the squad for at least a month or so.
You've been waiting for a decent NZ football forum for a while,
haven't you Jam ?
So much so that you've been watching Shortland St. with her indoors ?
So much so that you've been watching Shortland St. with her indoors ?
She watches it, I sit and, 1) criticise the "actors" and their
"acting", and 2) ogle the bird called Alice, and 3) eat my
tea...
... and then once, as I was engaged in these very pursuits, I
spotted Campbell Banks as a bar-extra cum potential philanderer.
Not sure that he had any lines though (they'd've had to pay him
more, I suspect).
Anyway, I put down Daniel Koprivcic as a left-field pick for
the Nix, but it doesn't look likely to happen. Shame, i reckon he'd
be worth a look.
Nix, Leyton Orient and Alloa Athletic supporting schmuck.
Campbell Banks is playing in the Victorian Premier League. He is a
handy player. A big man who's good with his feet.
Was he with the Knights previously? I remember his name before
he played in the VPL.
Judging by most of the Players already signed by the Phoenix I
think they are looking to play a fast game out on the flanks...So
the next kiwi signings I think would ave to fit into that or be
safe players that can come on with 20 minutes to go and control a
the ball and kill opponents attacking plays.....
On a side note I think that is what Sydeny FC need....THey are
full out attacking in the first 60 minutes but they let themselves
down on the last half hour or so..If Phoenix do adopt a fast pace
attacking game which I think they will, then more safe and
defensive minded players are needed....Don't know much about
players NZ living here in Australia and all but I think those are
the kinda players needed.
Used to be at the Kingz, spent 4 weeks at the Knights.
He's playing in Victoria because his one international transfer for the year was to the Knights, meaning he moved to Aus.
He's playing in Victoria because his one international transfer for the year was to the Knights, meaning he moved to Aus.
<cough> Archie <cough>