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Nix v RADelaide Saturday 27th October, 7:30pm SS2 from Hindmarsh

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over 13 years ago

Can we keep our unbeaten run?  Will Dura be well enough to return to the starting XI?  Who are our subs going to be?  Lia or Smith? 


Important questions that need to be answered

Let's get the cakes!

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over 13 years ago

There were a few people on the pitch who almost played as well!

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 13 years ago

Time to move Brockie wider? It seems all of our forwards are best suited wide.


   

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over 13 years ago

 Adelaide close to implosion? Wonder if Serg or Bruce will be back this week.

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over 13 years ago

Luis Garcia wrote:

Time to move Brockie wider? It seems all of our forwards are best suited wide.


He also plays a mean left back. But yes, i'd be tempted to move Ifill up front, and Brockie out wide if we persist with 4-4-2.


I'm actually feeling somewhat adventurous and maintain we can do better with some 4/5/1 variant , as it is what the cool kids play.            

           Huysegems

   Fenton    Ifill   Brockie

          Smith   Muscat

Lochead  Durante Sigmund  Bertos





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over 13 years ago

I would expect us to keep to the 4-1-3-2 formation that we have been playing. Against the Heart, we moved to more of a 4-5-1 because of their centre midfield. Adelaide seem to attack more down the wings, so I don't think we need the extra body in the middle of the park.

Even tho we have a miserable record at Hindmarsh, I think this is winnable. They have won 2 games, but have hardly been convincing and are coming off yet another loss to the Victory. They just seem to be sitting back, and trying to hit teams on the counter attack with their speedy wingers.

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over 13 years ago

We've never done well at Hindmarsh, well not till recently.

It wont surprise me to see the away 433 formation back here.

                   Paston
Bertos Sigmund Durante Lochhead
           Muscat         Lia
                    Smith
Brockie    Huysegems       Fenton


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over 13 years ago

^ thats not neccessarily what I would do, but it wouldnt surprise me if Lia does find his way back into the lineup


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over 13 years ago


No ifill. No party.

 

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over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

We've never done well at Hindmarsh, well not till recently.

It wont surprise me to see the away 433 formation back here.

                   Paston
Bertos Sigmund Durante Lochhead
           Muscat         Lia
                    Smith
Brockie    Huysegems       Fenton

I would be disappointed if we played 4-3-3, as mentioned above I don't think we need to for Adelaide.

But if we did play it against Aadelaide, I would prefer Brockie up top, rather than Waffles. He was so isolated against the Heart, and can't play as a target man. Would be better for him to play out wide, where we can get him the ball at his feet.
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over 13 years ago

Havent seen any evidence that Huysegems would be effective out wide. Not really as fast as we thought he might be, plus havent really seen him in wide areas enough. 

I would also be dissapointed if we played a 433.

However I dont think Brockie is best up top, I prefer him wide


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over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

Havent seen any evidence that Huysegems would be effective out wide. Not really as fast as we thought he might be, plus havent really seen him in wide areas enough. 

I would also be dissapointed if we played a 433.

However I dont think Brockie is best up top, I prefer him wide

Bit hard to show any pace running into that wind on Sunday. I was under the impression that he has spent a bit of time out wide, that's why his scoring record isn't great. He looked totally ineffective against the Heart up front by himself.

Maybe a front 3 of Waffles / Ifill / Brockie, with Ifill up front in the middle. He has done that role well in the past.
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over 13 years ago

Very interesting to hear that we have enlisted Trani as our 'Australian correspondent'. Could work especially well this weekend.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 13 years ago

keep smith in, dura for boxy. panaman to the bench?

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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over 13 years ago

playwithFire wrote:

We've never done well at Hindmarsh, well not till recently.

It wont surprise me to see the away 433 formation back here.

                   Paston
Bertos Sigmund Durante Lochhead
           Muscat         Lia
                    Smith
Brockie    Huysegems       Fenton

 

can't see lia starting, he looked a lot out of touch last weekend. Admittedly oput of his favoured spot you play where you're put right? If we go with the 4-3-3 then I like the above but move Smith back to CM and have Ifill as the CAM.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 13 years ago

  More people in the team getting hit with the virus that is floating around. Hope everyone is fit for the game.

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over 13 years ago

Luis Garcia wrote:

Time to move Brockie wider? It seems all of our forwards are best suited wide.


   



Move him to the bench.
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over 13 years ago

I want to see Boxall in over Siggy.

The more i think about it the more I like it. We've had two 1 all draws in arguebly what will be the two of our toughtest contest for year, playing with our B team and against an inform Roar and Boxall has looked solid in both, playing with a different CB both times (not easy).

And before people caste me off into the knitting circle wilderness think about this.... How many last ditch tackles a game does Siggy make compared to Durante, or desperate blocks?? Both play at CB so it should be pretty even, but Siggy clearly does this more often, which suggests (not actually a suggestion, but a simple fact), positionally he's not as good as Durante and has to "recover" because he lets his opposition drift off him.

Boxall is a little more Durante than Siggy positionally, which should help create a more compact and harder to break backline, especially with Bertos still developing.

Love Siggy, but have the strong feeling he's the third best CB at the Nix in reality.

.... all of the above is a mute point because Ricki loves his favourites and will play them regardless of how bad they are (Berto's entire 2011 - 2012 season)


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over 13 years ago

 Siggy by a mile.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I want to see Boxall in over Siggy.

The more i think about it the more I like it. We've had two 1 all draws in arguebly what will be the two of our toughtest contest for year, playing with our B team and against an inform Roar and Boxall has looked solid in both, playing with a different CB both times (not easy).

And before people caste me off into the knitting circle wilderness think about this.... How many last ditch tackles a game does Siggy make compared to Durante, or desperate blocks?? Both play at CB so it should be pretty even, but Siggy clearly does this more often, which suggests (not actually a suggestion, but a simple fact), positionally he's not as good as Durante and has to "recover" because he lets his opposition drift off him.

Boxall is a little more Durante than Siggy positionally, which should help create a more compact and harder to break backline, especially with Bertos still developing.

Love Siggy, but have the strong feeling he's the third best CB at the Nix in reality.

.... all of the above is a mute point because Ricki loves his favourites and will play them regardless of how bad they are (Berto's entire 2011 - 2012 season)


But what about siggy's goal scoring record? This must count for something.  

Also his bursting runs forward which Dura can do but Siggy does far more frequently.

"Yellow Fever are fantastic – I have to say that"

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over 13 years ago

not starting siggy?

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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MetalLegNZ wrote:
And before people caste me off into the knitting circle wilderness think about this.... How many last ditch tackles a game does Siggy make compared to Durante, or desperate blocks?? Both play at CB so it should be pretty even, but Siggy clearly does this more often, which suggests (not actually a suggestion, but a simple fact), positionally he's not as good as Durante and has to "recover" because he lets his opposition drift off him.

.... all of the above is a mute point because Ricki loves his favourites and will play them regardless of how bad they are (Berto's entire 2011 - 2012 season)


Last season we conceded one of the smallest number of goals in the league, and I think this 'scrambling' defence was key to that. We would block shots before they reached the keeper, whereas other teams would rely on their keeper.
 
Also, this is factually incorrect as Leo got dropped to the bench because of his poor performances last season, which spurred him on to lift his game.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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over 13 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I want to see Boxall in over Siggy.

The more i think about it the more I like it. We've had two 1 all draws in arguebly what will be the two of our toughtest contest for year, playing with our B team and against an inform Roar and Boxall has looked solid in both, playing with a different CB both times (not easy).

And before people caste me off into the knitting circle wilderness think about this.... How many last ditch tackles a game does Siggy make compared to Durante, or desperate blocks?? Both play at CB so it should be pretty even, but Siggy clearly does this more often, which suggests (not actually a suggestion, but a simple fact), positionally he's not as good as Durante and has to "recover" because he lets his opposition drift off him.

Boxall is a little more Durante than Siggy positionally, which should help create a more compact and harder to break backline, especially with Bertos still developing.

Love Siggy, but have the strong feeling he's the third best CB at the Nix in reality.

.... all of the above is a mute point because Ricki loves his favourites and will play them regardless of how bad they are (Berto's entire 2011 - 2012 season)


This is a joke right?

Founder

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over 13 years ago

Busy month ahead for the Phoenix

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/headlines.cfm?c_id=86


Is this correct? "Hindmarsh is a venue the Phoenix have been notoriously poor at in the past, although they did manage to win one of their trips to South Australia last summer when Tim Brown and Dani Sanchez netted goals to guide Wellington to a 2-1 triumph."


I thought we'd also won 2010/2011 1 nil or something before we had to return there for the play off game.


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over 13 years ago

Correct on both counts.

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over 13 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

I want to see Boxall in over Siggy.

The more i think about it the more I like it. We've had two 1 all draws in arguebly what will be the two of our toughtest contest for year, playing with our B team and against an inform Roar and Boxall has looked solid in both, playing with a different CB both times (not easy).

And before people caste me off into the knitting circle wilderness think about this.... How many last ditch tackles a game does Siggy make compared to Durante, or desperate blocks?? Both play at CB so it should be pretty even, but Siggy clearly does this more often, which suggests (not actually a suggestion, but a simple fact), positionally he's not as good as Durante and has to "recover" because he lets his opposition drift off him.

Boxall is a little more Durante than Siggy positionally, which should help create a more compact and harder to break backline, especially with Bertos still developing.

Love Siggy, but have the strong feeling he's the third best CB at the Nix in reality.

.... all of the above is a mute point because Ricki loves his favourites and will play them regardless of how bad they are (Berto's entire 2011 - 2012 season)



Someone tell Siggy to stop making last ditch tackles and desperate blocks. It's simply unacceptable and clear grounds for dropping him.
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over 13 years ago

Yeah, his 100% commitment really gets on my tits.

He needs to wind it back to say, 80-85%.


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over 13 years ago

Id like to see

....................Paston

Leo......... Siggy...... Dura....... Lockie

Totori... Smith....... Manny..... Fenton...

...........Boyd......... Heysegems

Currently Ifill is slowing our pace we had in game 1 down, receiving the ball facing wrong way and behind him.
Give Brockie a rest and bring him on in second half.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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over 13 years ago

Not all games are equal. Because we looked better in game 1, doesn't mean that the lineup we had was better...

Ifill should definitely be starting. Personally, I quite like having up front. But whether he should be wide or up front, he is still about our most creative player, one of our best goal scorers, so I don't even think there should be a question as to whether he should be starting.

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over 13 years ago

I'm still amazed that there are people who would drop our best player for the past 3 seasons in favour of a 17-year old kid who's done a grand total of nothing so far in his three A-league appearances.

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over 13 years ago

Yes, we were able to play at pace against Sydney because they were utter crap. Persevering with Ifill, even if he isn't yet fully fit, will soon start paying dividends.

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At leasy Siggy gets close enough to make the last ditch tackles. Better than standing thinking "Oh damn".

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 13 years ago

Boro4eva wrote:

Id like to see

....................Paston

Leo......... Siggy...... Dura....... Lockie

Totori... Smith....... Manny..... Fenton...

...........Boyd......... Heysegems

Currently Ifill is slowing our pace we had in game 1 down, receiving the ball facing wrong way and behind him.
Give Brockie a rest and bring him on in second half.


this,  dropping him would be the wrong move tho, I think he could be more useful up front in the middle, laying off to waffles. but im not sure totori is quality replacement yet. with half the season gone, id like to see him starting but not now. and with that i dont know what we'd do with brockie, unless we played a front 3.....

side note: when waffles 1st signed, there was plenty of chat from him and ricki saying he was quick and had pace to burn... as anyone seen that yet???


I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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over 13 years ago


Hope he hasn't burned it

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 13 years ago

Some massive lolz in this thread today. I guess some people lose the plot a bit when there isn't that much to angst about - just make shit up and call for our best players to be dropped. *crazy person emoticon*

Unless it's just trolling (dear god please let it be trolling).

Fuck this stupid game

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over 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

Yeah, his 100% commitment really gets on my tits.

He needs to wind it back to say, 80-85%.

Never said i didn't appreciate his commitment, but that doesn't make a player, sure it helps, but it won't do jack for you if you can't do everything else that is required.

Siggy is a favourite, and i really enjoy watching him play. I just think he's more suited to the direct style of play we are moving away from and that positionally he is not the strongest.

Am i wrong with my assessments??

Can we play a possession game with a CB who makes / attempts more 30 meter passess than 5 meter passes??

Take off the rose tinted glasses and actually assess his game and my comments concerning this, are they really off the mark. You don't have to agree with me thinking Boxall might be a better option long term, but can you really argue my assessment of Sigmund??

Has great commitment,heart and is solid in the tackle... lacks a passing game and can be positionally naive.

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over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

We're gonna get dicked.  I just know it.


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 13 years ago

Its not trolling, just trying to create an informative discussion.

What makes Siggy a better player than Boxall... his commitment, because so far thats the only thing people are saying he has over Boxall, which to me isn't enough to garuntee him a place.

Lets ask the following questions...

Who has the better touch, the better pass, who reads the game better, whose better positionally, who works harder, whose stronger on the ball and in the tackle etc.

If siggy wins this hands down, call me an idiot, call me a troll... call me what you like. But atleast when i make a comment and an arguement I actually think about it first, and then post.... and how is it any different to opening up the discussion about whose better, Smith or Lia??

The knitting circle are a bunch of winey complainers with blinkers on (sorry knitters, but generally you are)... i really hope the fever forum regulars don't go down the same way, and allow people to actually share ideas that they don't agree with, without feeling the need to validate themselves with we know more than you, because i've had a beer with these players : )

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