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Nix vs Heart, Dunedin, 3rd March 4.30pm SS1

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about 13 years ago

Leggy wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Without wanting to rehash Ricki at all, I do wonder if this was what he was trying to get to and if so, why has it now clicked since he has left? A conspiracy theorist could say he had lost the shed and now he is not there... I digress.

It looked a bit more thoughtful that anything else we have really done. I can't recall too many aimless crosses



A very simple change by Greenie to swap Bertos/Muscat was one of the game changers.
I have always been a Ricki fan, but he could not  pick it.


Bertos had a good game and I think the switch with Muscat simply caught Heart unawares (John Aloisi admitted as much after the game). But one swallow doesn't make a summer. Surely we haven't forgotten already why Bertos found himself at right-back in the first place?


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about 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

Leggy wrote:

[quote=Jeff Vader]

Without wanting to rehash Ricki at all, I do wonder if this was what he was trying to get to and if so, why has it now clicked since he has left? A conspiracy theorist could say he had lost the shed and now he is not there... I digress.

It looked a bit more thoughtful that anything else we have really done. I can't recall too many aimless crosses



A very simple change by Greenie to swap Bertos/Muscat was one of the game changers.
I have always been a Ricki fan, but he could not  pick it.


Bertos had a good game and I think the switch with Muscat simply caught Heart unawares (John Aloisi admitted as much after the game). But one swallow doesn't make a summer. Surely we haven't forgotten already why Bertos found himself at right-back in the first place?




You are right about the swallow, but the fact is that it worked and regardless of the reasons, Muscat should be RB and Bertos further up the field.
I have not seen Bertos play with that energy for more months than I can remember.

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about 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Without wanting to rehash Ricki at all, I do wonder if this was what he was trying to get to and if so, why has it now clicked since he has left? A conspiracy theorist could say he had lost the shed and now he is not there... I digress.

It looked a bit more thoughtful that anything else we have really done. I can't recall too many aimless crosses



A very simple change by Greenie to swap Bertos/Muscat was one of the game changers.
I have always been a Ricki fan, but he could not  pick it.


Bertos had a good game and I think the switch with Muscat simply caught Heart unawares (John Aloisi admitted as much after the game). But one swallow doesn't make a summer. Surely we haven't forgotten already why Bertos found himself at right-back in the first place?


Maybe a question with Muscat of why today?

Also the club seemingly pushing youth (players/ things stated), not so today?

A fan is a fan.

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about 13 years ago

and today, thank goodness, Vinnie did a pretty good job of tying up the middle

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 13 years ago

austin10 wrote:

Jag wrote:

 Just over 3000. 3060.



That is very very poor....sorry Ahmad, mate, you put in such an effort. Can't see the Nix going to Dunedin again for a long long time!
Sure hope the locals get out for the AW's game

I was afraid that this was inevitable.
Too many people still carried away with the numbers we got to the Pre-season game against the Roar before last season (about 16k for a pre-season game!... but novelty factor of brand new stadium, just before RWC, etc etc...)
With the recent performances and general negativity around the team in recent weeks... and Dunedin all hyped up about the Highlanders acquisitions... Test Cricket next week... Orientation week just finished (i.e. Students broke and hungover)... Sunday afternoon... it was all too easy to make the excuse of Nix drawing the short straw for the average punter. Hell, I didn't bother going, and could never have imagined that I wouldn't have a couple of months ago... but oh well.

Have to say, Lia was unbelievable in the first half. I facepalm at the FB comments from people saying "good lineup... better if Fenton for Lia". Heck, Lia is essentially the only midfielder in our entire lineup, the rest are all natural attackers - and this is still one too many for some people! His distribution and general work rate in the first half were superb... but he tired late in the match. Understandable considering our fixture list and the fact he was doing most of the donkey work singlehandedly.
Finally, the oh-so-obvious Bertos - Muscat swap which saw the best of both players, the fact that Ricki never could quite work that out kind of summed up his tactical nous. 


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about 13 years ago

Three observations;

Enormous kudos to Greeny for having the courage to break the mould; playing players in their natural position, playing only one DM and starting Waffles. Most of all for instilling in the players the need to value the ball, look for the easy pass, show and have more patience in the build up.

Great credit to the team for getting up for the game and, as a unit, raising the intensity and passion.

We have the core of a good side, with the injection of 3 or 4 quality players we will be able to compete with the best.

A well deserved and morale lifting (for us all) win.




 

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about 13 years ago

MUCH better performance today, especially first half. Poor finishing still a problem, and don't even talk to me about those damn corners!!!

But, a win, a far superior performance to Wednesday, and feeling a bit more optimistic. 

Always thought the crowd was going to be very average, there were only 5000 v Brisbane last time in Dunedin and we were doing not too badly at that time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

ballane wrote:

 Couldnt give a shit what it looked like we WON and that is ALL that matters.Some of you are such bloody sad sacks and i do wonder if you really do support the Phoenix or are just here to winge and bitch.

To be fair, there is only one today, and Steve-O has not made an appearance (which is ironic as he rarely does when we win)


Don't lie. And, we've won 6 games (only one of which I've seen in person - I can't comment if I've not seen the game) so it's hardly a regular occurrence.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 13 years ago

Yay just finished watching, 3 points and well deserved at that! The boys lifted, what I was hoping for on wednesday and generally typical for a caretaker manager's first game but better late etc.

1st half was a great watch, unlucky not to have put it away by halftime. Don't think it was the heart's best performance but fuck 'em, we wanted it more, moss was all but a passenger.

Colosimo, that was serious twat behaviour. Look he scratched me! Fuck off.

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about 13 years ago

Leggy wrote:

 Three games left, two away will be a huge ask to get 9 points.

If we could get 5 points that would be massive.


Wanderers away
Perth away
MelbV at home
Three points would be pretty good, 4 possible but a big challenge, 5 would be massive, 9 unbelievable - let's do it :)

Good game today especially first half.  Fun to watch again.  Despite playing a lot better I think Heart aren't one of the sides that has the players to expose our weaknesses.  Sides that have pace of pass and movement cut our midfield to bits and create real pressure on the back four.  That's not Heart.  Thought Greenies changes helped but don't know they'd work against the top sides.  But regardless I think today shows that, but for all the morale dramas, we're not far off and might have been mid-table again in slightly different circumstances.

Touch wood for 9 points to come ;)

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about 13 years ago

Whitby boy wrote:

Three observations;

Enormous kudos to Greeny for having the courage to break the mould; playing players in their natural position, playing only one DM and starting Waffles. Most of all for instilling in the players the need to value the ball, look for the easy pass, show and have more patience in the build up.

Great credit to the team for getting up for the game and, as a unit, raising the intensity and passion.

We have the core of a good side, with the injection of 3 or 4 quality players we will be able to compete with the best.

A well deserved and morale lifting (for us all) win.
 


Yep. 
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about 13 years ago

 I don't get the whole 'omg, why didn't Ricki try Manny at right back' thing.  He did.  Against the Mariners.  It was fucking disaster.

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 I don't get the whole 'omg, why didn't Ricki try Manny at right back' thing.  He did.  Against the Mariners.  It was fucking disaster.

Why did he only try it once against the top team when the entire team played terribly?

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about 13 years ago

 600 odd posts in this tread. Surely we lost?

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about 13 years ago

Two reasons.

1, Because in a poor display he honked more than anyone.

2. Because for most of this season he's been the only thing close to resembling an A-League quality midfielder in our whole squad.

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about 13 years ago

Listen to this idea, which might blow everyone's mind - perhaps Greenacre chose his team specifically to counter the opposition? Unlike Ricki who seemed to just send out virtually the same team and use the same tactics regardless of opposition. Thus, perhaps Bertos and Manny will swap back next week?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Two reasons.

1, Because in a poor display he honked more than anyone.

2. Because for most of this season he's been the only thing close to resembling an A-League quality midfielder in our whole squad.

Yeah the second point is what I thought the reason was. Correct me if I'm wrong my understanding was that Leo was converted into a right back so they could free up manny in the midfield.

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about 13 years ago

Steve-O wrote:

Listen to this idea, which might blow everyone's mind - perhaps Greenacre chose his team specifically to counter the opposition? Unlike Ricki who seemed to just send out virtually the same team and use the same tactics regardless of opposition. Thus, perhaps Bertos and Manny will swap back next week?

Agreed

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Hard News wrote:

 I don't get the whole 'omg, why didn't Ricki try Manny at right back' thing.  He did.  Against the Mariners.  It was fucking disaster.


Yeh.  Heart are a different proposition.  With the current squad no matter how you arranged them I think we'd still get cut up through the middle and round the box by MV, CCM, Ad(sorry to say, I just think they are capable of exposing us, but maybe a marginal call on that one as they have their own limitations), and WSW (though they would beat us a different way).  And Brisbane would likely trouble us in the form they are getting back to.  Sydney without Griffiths I think we'd manage.  With him it gets tougher, even though they are otherwise ordinary. 

Heart just aint the sort of side that should hurt us.  Them, Jets, Perth should be behind us so I still think that we should have been pushing for 6th or maybe a notch better.  Given I don't think that's good enough, all the aingst we've been through this season has been necessary (if maybe a bit more dramatic than it might have been) .  I'd hate to have finished 6th, or even fifth and nothing much changing for next season.  Hopefully this season is worth it for what we hope is to come.

Agree with others tho' that Greenies changes were good for this opposition.
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about 13 years ago

 Correct me if I'm wrong my understanding was that Leo was converted into a right back so they could free up manny in the midfield.

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about 13 years ago

You can't make an omelette without neutering some cats...


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about 13 years ago

The first 25-30 minutes was fantastic, much more like the Nix of old. Players taking people on, trying to play with pace rather than holding the ball up to look for an easy pass. In previous games we haven't been able to make the most of the fast starts, this time we got our early goal.

But like most other games this season, the intensity dropped off a lot at the end of the first half. The second half wasn't much better and if we were against a better team, I do think they would have run us down. Luckily the Heart are terrible outside Melbourne.

Not trying to be negative and take away from some very good efforts by some of the boys today.

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about 13 years ago

Good night. 

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about 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

You can't make an omelette without neutering some cats...




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about 13 years ago

Two chicks, one omelette?

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about 13 years ago

austin10 wrote:

Jag wrote:

 Just over 3000. 3060.



That is very very poor....sorry Ahmad, mate, you put in such an effort. Can't see the Nix going to Dunedin again for a long long time!
Sure hope the locals get out for the AW's game

sadly got to agree. without Ahmad i cant imagine what  the crowd would have been. our home crowds havent been very good this season either but the two games we took away have had underwhelming crowds.

the one plus for Dunedin is that we seem to win there...

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detoxin wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Jag wrote:

 Just over 3000. 3060.



That is very very poor....sorry Ahmad, mate, you put in such an effort. Can't see the Nix going to Dunedin again for a long long time!
Sure hope the locals get out for the AW's game

sadly got to agree. without Ahmad i cant imagine what  the crowd would have been. our home crowds havent been very good this season either but the two games we took away have had underwhelming crowds.

the one plus for Dunedin is that we seem to win there...


I've said this in other threads but I for one do not believe that theres all that much footballing support down there in the deep south.  This was the sort of crowd I was expecting, that massive preseason game was a huge one off, that's the second piss poor Dunners crowd. 

Better off playing in Hamilton where you've got 3 big cities very close together.  Plus Waikato Stadium is easily the country's best rectangular stadium.
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about 13 years ago

I made a bit of noise around this when the AW game was awarded to Dunedin about crowd sizes but I don't think I expected it to be this low

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

Marto wrote:

detoxin wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Jag wrote:

 Just over 3000. 3060.



That is very very poor....sorry Ahmad, mate, you put in such an effort. Can't see the Nix going to Dunedin again for a long long time!
Sure hope the locals get out for the AW's game

sadly got to agree. without Ahmad i cant imagine what  the crowd would have been. our home crowds havent been very good this season either but the two games we took away have had underwhelming crowds.

the one plus for Dunedin is that we seem to win there...


I've said this in other threads but I for one do not believe that theres all that much footballing support down there in the deep south.  This was the sort of crowd I was expecting, that massive preseason game was a huge one off, that's the second piss poor Dunners crowd. 

Better off playing in Hamilton where you've got 3 big cities very close together.  Plus Waikato Stadium is easily the country's best rectangular stadium.

And also ever since Hamilton got 12k for that preseason friendly we have been screwed out of everything else. I bet NZFC are pissed they chose dunedin now.
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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

I made a bit of noise around this when the AW game was awarded to Dunedin about crowd sizes but I don't think I expected it to be this low

This a very disappointing crowd but one of the sad truths of NZ football is if a team isn't winning NZ fans can be decidedly fair-weather. The recent home Phoenix crowds in Wellington haven't been much better. It's hard to get NZers to turn up to watch football unless it's a heavily promoted high profile game. Across the ditch the A League attendances are flourishing - 18,000 at Central Coast Mariners and a similar boisterous crowd to see MV thrash Newcastle.  

NZF must be very careful about staging important AW games outside of the three main centres. Auckland is the only NZ city with a diverse ethnic mix and big Pacific population so I really don't think an important Oceania game should be staged elsewhere. Dunedin has a big stadium and a small crowd like this looks awful on television.

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about 13 years ago

Marto wrote:

detoxin wrote:

austin10 wrote:

Jag wrote:

 Just over 3000. 3060.



That is very very poor....sorry Ahmad, mate, you put in such an effort. Can't see the Nix going to Dunedin again for a long long time!
Sure hope the locals get out for the AW's game

sadly got to agree. without Ahmad i cant imagine what  the crowd would have been. our home crowds havent been very good this season either but the two games we took away have had underwhelming crowds.

the one plus for Dunedin is that we seem to win there...


I've said this in other threads but I for one do not believe that theres all that much footballing support down there in the deep south.  This was the sort of crowd I was expecting, that massive preseason game was a huge one off, that's the second piss poor Dunners crowd. 

Better off playing in Hamilton where you've got 3 big cities very close together.  Plus Waikato Stadium is easily the country's best rectangular stadium.

I agree, I'd love to see the next season's regional game in Hamilton.
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about 13 years ago

bring back the ring of dirt

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about 13 years ago

detoxin wrote:
the one plus for Dunedin is that we seem to win there...

The Nix love Dunedin. 

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about 13 years ago

*NSFW alert*

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about 13 years ago

+1 for Hamilton getting a game next season.


Dunedin's had its go. Shit crowd so don't deserve another one.

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about 13 years ago
Phoenix heed call to play attacking football

 

The owners of Wellington Phoenix have wanted the A League side to play attacking, possession-based football all season.

In Dunedin last night, they got their wish.

The A League's bottom club looked a shadow of their cellar-dwelling selves, passing the ball confidently and attacking incisively in beating Melbourne Heart 1-0.

The score line makes it sound like a close match, but Phoenix dominated from the opening whistle and seldom looked troubled by a below par Heart.

"Victories have been few and far between and it is such a good feeling coming off after having won a game. It hasn't happened often enough this season," Phoenix captain Andrew Durante said.

"We said before the game, we've got nothing to lose, let's just get out there and go for it and row everything at them and don't fear anything. It was a really good mentality out there and we really put them under the pump... It was a shame it was only 1-0, it could have been four or five."

The win marked a satisfying close to arguably the most difficult week in the Phoenix's eventful history.

Seven days ago foundation coach Ricki Herbert was in charge but yesterday he was watching somewhere on television, having resigned on Tuesday morning. 

With his assistant Chris Greenacre now at the helm, his message to the troops had been simple, Durante said.

"We have always had some type of distraction this season and it has been unsettling for the players.

"The departure of Ricki during the week was sad, but the message was we had to put it behind us and move on. We've had a good win, now everyone can celebrate. Everyone wants to see attacking football like that, and that was a little glimpse of it."

The Phoenix came out all guns blazing, with Jeremy Brockie hitting the crossbar after just two minutes - a sign of what was to come.

In an all action first half the Phoenix rattled the woodwork twice more and saw defender Ben Sigmund come agonisingly close to scoring with a header which bounced down then over - not in, to the net.

It was no surprise when Brockie did open the scoring - a sweet volley after a surging run and cross from Paul Ifill.

The only surprise was that the Phoenix did not score more - their play certainly merited it.

Key to the victory was Greenacre moving Manny Muscat back to right back and giving regular right back Leo Bertos licence to roam in midfield. He posed a constant threat to the Heart and relished his return to a role higher up the park.

"We started working on it as soon as we got down here. It was nice to return to natural, familiar surroundings. I enjoyed it today.

"It's been a tough year and I have enjoyed playing at the back, but today felt more natural and it was to get more forward.

"It's good to get a win, they have been pretty rare is season."

Star striker Ifill was another happy Phoenix star, pleased to cap a dynamic display with the assist for Brockie's goal.

"It's nice to know you can still play the game: it's been a long time. We set up differently, it took them a while to get used to it. We worked on it all week, and it's nice when something you work on like that comes to fruition."

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about 13 years ago

I've been pushing, in my own quiet way, a game in Hamilton for ages. Would be a winner I reckon

Yesterday's game was the FFA's baby wasn't it? They seem to have had a HUGE fail in the marketing dept on this one.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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about 13 years ago

It seemed like there were a lot more than 3k people at the ground. However, when we were not chanting, there was almost complete silence in the ground. 

Great effort from the 40ish people in the Fever Zone, highlight for me was chanting 'Gareth Morgan's Feline Army' with Gareth standing in the middle of the Zone. 



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about 13 years ago

Jag wrote:

I've been pushing, in my own quiet way, a game in Hamilton for ages. Would be a winner I reckon

Yesterday's game was the FFA's baby wasn't it? They seem to have had a HUGE fail in the marketing dept on this one.

 

Not sure about that. Pretty sure they 'hand over' the running of the game to the 'host' team. Although I understand the Council underwrote the game, so the Phoenix didn't to lose money on it.  guess the question is who should be doing the marketing for a game like this.  FFA, council, or Nix.

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about 13 years ago

Who did the marketing?... Ahmad.


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