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Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:

As somebody else rightly pointed , Paston isn't the problem. He's probably the least of our problems at the moment.



Im not so sure. Our defence is worrying, and the keeper is a big part of the defence.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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Not even gonna get into this. It wasn't Paston's fault that we lost at the weekend. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any games that I'd say he was responsible for us losing. Our problems are further up the pitch.

If it's easier for people to suggest that swapping keepers will solve our defensive woes, then carry on

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:

Not even gonna get into this. It wasn't Paston's fault that we lost at the weekend. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any games that I'd say he was responsible for us losing. Our problems are further up the pitch.


If it's easier for people to suggest that swapping keepers will solve our defensive woes, then carry on


This. He saved our ass big time in Perth too.
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Not suggesting he's the sole reason, but it doesn't help the defence when the keeper is not dominating the goal box.

The entire defence, including the keeper, have a lot to answer for. They need to get their mojo back.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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Without getting too much into a swinging dick exercise, I played at the same and also at, perhaps a marginally higher level than Central League and for a number of years. I even remember playing against Leggy . I'm still to be convinced that punching the ball can be done with any reasonable amount of accuracy [perhaps my call of zero accuracy was exagerated] most seem to agree that punching is an inferior option to catching and best used when under a lot of pressure rather than as a first resort.  Someone mentioned something about being coached to decide what you are doing then go ahead and do it, I wouldn't coach that to my goalkeepers. I'd like my guys to be able to make the best decisions at all times and have the mental ability to adjust while in flight. Not to the extent of having them muff it through indecision but more a sense of belief in their ability. Its a coaching preference perhaps.

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Without getting too much into a swinging dick exercise, I played at the same and also at, perhaps a marginally higher level than Central League and for a number of years. I even remember playing against Leggy . I'm still to be convinced that punching the ball can be done with any reasonable amount of accuracy [perhaps my call of zero accuracy was exagerated] most seem to agree that punching is an inferior option to catching and best used when under a lot of pressure rather than as a first resort.� Someone mentioned something about being�coached to decide what you are doing then go ahead and do it, I wouldn't coach that to my goalkeepers. I'd like my guys to be able to make the best�decisions at all times and have the mental ability to adjust while in flight. Not to the extent of having them muff it through indecision but more a sense of belief in their ability. Its a coaching preference perhaps.



This. Well put.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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goldienz wrote:
Not suggesting he's the sole reason, but it doesn't help the defence when the keeper is not dominating the goal box.

The entire defence, including the keeper, have a lot to answer for. They need to get their mojo back.
Still not sure why you think he doesn't dominate his box.
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2ndBest wrote:
goldienz wrote:
Not suggesting he's the sole reason, but it doesn't help the defence when the keeper is not dominating the goal box. The entire defence, including the keeper, have a lot to answer for. They need to get their mojo back.


Still not sure why you think he doesn't dominate his box.


He seems to stay back on his line when he should be coming. Often looks jittery in his when the ball is being crossed, especially on set pieces and corners.

The one area of his game i tell my boy to watch and learn from is his one on one ability. Simply class the way he can make himself big. and calmly attack the oncoming player.

Maybe thats what is deceiving, if im wrong, his apparent calmness, rather than marshalling his troop around him.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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Without getting too much into a swinging dick exercise, I played at the same and also at, perhaps a marginally higher level than Central League and for a number of years. I even remember playing against Leggy . I'm still to be convinced that punching the ball can be done with any reasonable amount of accuracy [perhaps my call of zero accuracy was exagerated] most seem to agree that punching is an inferior option to catching and best used when under a lot of pressure rather than as a first resort.  Someone mentioned something about being coached to decide what you are doing then go ahead and do it, I wouldn't coach that to my goalkeepers. I'd like my guys to be able to make the best decisions at all times and have the mental ability to adjust while in flight. Not to the extent of having them muff it through indecision but more a sense of belief in their ability. Its a coaching preference perhaps.

That was me. I was told if you go in the air committed to an option your more likely to be successful. As your about to jump you can assess the flight of the ball and the bodies around you. Nothing worse than a keeper going up to catch and then not only being able to tip the ball (or flapping). In saying that, if you can catch then thats the best option.
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Without getting too much into a swinging dick exercise, I played at the same and also at, perhaps a marginally higher level than Central League and for a number of years. I even remember playing against Leggy . I'm still to be convinced that punching the ball can be done with any reasonable amount of accuracy [perhaps my call of zero accuracy was exagerated] most seem to agree that punching is an inferior option to catching and best used when under a lot of pressure rather than as a first resort.� Someone mentioned something about being�coached to decide what you are doing then go ahead and do it, I wouldn't coach that to my goalkeepers. I'd like my guys to be able to make the best�decisions at all times and have the mental ability to adjust while in flight. Not to the extent of having them muff it through indecision but more a sense of belief in their ability. Its a coaching preference perhaps.



I agree with you. I think the keeper must make his own mind up. The key is that if you think that you cannot catch the ball, then punch it.All keepers punch it at time.
I did'nt think that there was anyone on this planet as old as me.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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I'm not saying I'm as old as you  I was a young protege and you were an old stager....
If I recall correctly you were playing out west for Kelston, Waitemata or something, does that sound right?Napier Phoenix2010-11-22 20:35:29
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I'm not saying I'm as old as you �I was a young protege and you were an old stager....

If I recall correctly you were playing out west for Kelston, Waitemata or something, does that sound right?


Waitemata and West Auckland.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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I think one of my flatmates played with you out there as a 16/17 year old - Bill King, became a cop in the early - mid 80s. I think a few Kelston BH kids played there [I'm thinking Kelston but it might have been Waitemata].
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I love Steelo's line about keepers "assessing the..bodies around you". Do keepers do that? The best keepers I have known do not assess any such thing - they'll come out and woe betide any mug who gets in the way!
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goldienz wrote:

He seems to stay back on his line when he should be coming. Often looks jittery in his when the ball is being crossed, especially on set pieces and corners.


Honestly can't agree with that.  I reckon the area that Pasty comes to punch/catch is much, much greater than any other keeper in the HAL.
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HarryHotspur wrote:
I love Steelo's line about keepers "assessing the..bodies around you". Do keepers do that? The best keepers I have known do not assess any such thing - they'll come out and woe betide any mug who gets in the way!
I guess assesing the bodies around you was the wrong choice of words. If there is no one around its much easier to make a clean catch than through a group of players. Players being in the way shouldn't stop a keeper, just makes the task a bit harder. Not that im an expert at all. steelo2010-11-22 23:02:42
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There is little doubt in my view that Paston is relying on punching the ball too often and I put that down to a bit of a lack of confidence. He has the height and ability to dominate by catching but is more often than not opting to punch.

The thing that grates most with me about Paston is distribution. Far too many long balls hit by Paston with unerring accuracy to an almost always outmatched Greenacre. This is just plain dumb and needs to be sorted out, it is not that hard.
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Is the distribution paston's fault?  Or is it the outfield players not running into space?  The nix do have a long history of doing f**k all movement off the ball.
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I suppose there will be disagreement on this too, much easier to be accurate in your distribution with short to medium thrown balls than the big hoof upfield. The longer the ball is in the air, the more time the opposition defense have time to react and attack the ball. The long ball can be useful if you have the target man [like Fallon] up there who can lay the ball off or be confident of getting the high ball - we obviously don't have that here at the Nix, so a wasted strategy.
 
Another thing I've noticed [not just Paston but with most GK at A League level] is that GKs are usually terrible in clearing the through ball under pressure. I would have thought more practise would be put into that aspect of their game. How many times in a match does the ball go through to the keeper, the opposing forward comes with the ball and there is a huge panicy clearance that goes off the side of the boot. It happens enough in a game for it to be practised properly on the training pitch.
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2ndBest wrote:
Is the distribution paston's fault?� Or is it the outfield players not running into space?� The nix do have a long history of doing f**k all movement off the ball.


I don't disagree with your comment about lack of movement off the ball, but I can't recall too many quick long throws which Greenie would have a hell of a lot better chance of competing successfully for than the laboured long balls which Greenie is odds on to lose.
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Quick long throws are for breaking players with pace anyway lol. I do get depressed when I continually see Paston Kick - Greenie Jump - Ball sail over head.
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Cheriton corner is punched clear by Crowther - someone should tell him that punching is ridiculously inaccurate.  Ball goes to Te-anau who put's it over the bar.

Taken from the ASB Premiership game. See, someone who definitely has never ever had anything to do with Yellow Fever ever agrees.
 
See.
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I think one of my flatmates played with you out there as a 16/17 year old - Bill King, became a cop in the early - mid 80s. I think a few Kelston BH kids played there [I'm thinking Kelston but it might have been Waitemata].


There were quite a few KBH blokes. Ex AW captain Rodger Gray as well. A great bunch of guys.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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bigtobz wrote:

43'

Cheriton corner is punched clear by Crowther - someone should tell him that punching is ridiculously inaccurate.  Ball goes to Te-anau who put's it over the bar.

Taken from the ASB Premiership game. See, someone who definitely has never ever had anything to do with Yellow Fever ever agrees.
 
See.

So much arf.
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Leggy wrote:
I think one of my flatmates played with you out there as a 16/17 year old - Bill King, became a cop in the early - mid 80s. I think a few Kelston BH kids played there [I'm thinking Kelston but it might have been Waitemata].


There were quite a few KBH blokes. Ex AW captain Rodger Gray as well. A great bunch of guys.
Yeah Roger was a cop too [you probably know that] a few of them were playing in your days.
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Leggy wrote:
I think one of my flatmates played with you out there as a 16/17 year old - Bill King, became a cop in the early - mid 80s. I think a few Kelston BH kids played there [I'm thinking Kelston but it might have been Waitemata].
There were quite a few KBH blokes. Ex AW captain Rodger Gray as well. A great bunch of guys.
Yeah Roger was a cop too [you probably know that] a few of them were playing in your�days.


I saw him on the news a few years ago, quite high up in the force in Rotorua.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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I wonder which anorak will be sitting, with clipboard in hand, collecting stats on Pasty's punching etc tonight 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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didn't take long for him to punch today, all of 9-10 mins, why is he always doing it?
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yeah, watching the game, could've caught that ball, why doesn't he???
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Well, Paston punched one ball which went to a heart striker, and then caught every ball for the rest of the match. I think he knows what he's doing.
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You only punch when you can't catch,
punch when you can't catch
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Nickel wrote:
Well, Paston punched one ball which went to a heart striker, and then caught every ball for the rest of the match. I think he knows what he's doing.


And the one he punched he did well to even get to.

But do people think about that? Nope...

Allegedly

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But there is zero accuracy - I'm surprised he didn't punch into his own net.

And he even threw the ball out when the full backs were free.
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He should've headed the ball clear,that'd be more accurate than a punch at least.

Allegedly

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Some good lolz in the FV about this tonight too.
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FV?

Allegedly

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typo.  FZ
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Easy catch for 99% of keepers tbh,not under any pressure from any heart strikers.

If you see Paston out on the town,hes a bit of a punchy drunk,so watch out.

Allegedly

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