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Phoenix and TAB Partnership

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Junior82 wrote:
Well I don't know all the ins and outs of the gambling spectrum but isn't that like saying speed is different from lsd, or DB Draught is different from Lion Brown?



Speed is completely different to LSD -  speed is highly chemically addictive, LSD is not. I'm not saying that people can't mess themselves up on LSD but overall its effects and the social context in which it is used are completely different to speed.

Speed and heroin would have been a better comparison because they are both addictive drugs whose use creates social problems and damages the users physical health. The idea that all illegal drugs are equally bad perpetuates people's hostility towards them and prevents people making informed decisions about their own actions involving them.

Lion Brown and DB Draught are equally sh*t though. Bring back Viking (Conquer the Taste!)




People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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So pokies are like speed and the TAB is like LSD?

Lion Brown and DB Draught ARE different (in the eyes of an under-age drinker when the price of a 750ml bottle was 78c and a litre jug was 72c). Lion is a bit more sh!t than DB.


Edit: But at least they weren't Wards, or Leopard.

Junior822012-01-31 11:12:17

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Junior82 wrote:
So pokies are like speed and the TAB is like LSD?

Lion Brown and DB Draught ARE different (in the eyes of an under-age drinker when the price of a 750ml bottle was 78c and a litre jug was 72c). Lion is a bit more sh!t than DB.



yeah, that LSD/speed analogy works for me. My apologies for any insult drawn in the comparison between DB Draught and Lion Brown. Neither was that cheap when I was in my end of high school to start of uni cheap beer binges, but I lived 5min from the Mill, which had a dozen Viking beer for $7-8 at the time. I would still rather drink that than Export 33 though

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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That's OK - I am a responsible grown-up now. Back in the day I would have asked you to step outside and then do a runner the other way.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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see - drinking Viking gives me the illusion of being tough. I bet if I had said I prefer Export 33 you would have stayed and fought...

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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Steve-O wrote:

Junior82 wrote:
At the risk of going all wowser on you it does sit uneasily with me too.

Many years back - probably before you had your first neeps and tatties tobacco sponsorship was the big thing for NZ sport (and globally too).

I put gambling and alcohol in a category not too dissimilar to tobacco.

Anyway for the record I have tried smoking, betting and drinking (I suck at all of them).

Well at least we know gambling isn't going to kill you. Not directly at least...(the 'mob' coming round to 'settle your debt' doesnt count...).I remember tobacco being a lot more heavily sponsored than it is now, F1 racing leading the way.I think SPORTS betting is quite different from pokies and the like, and I think the demographic of each is also different.Additionally, I won my bets yesterday, hence I am all for it!


Dude when there is a recession and it is difficult to earn money gambling is a lot of false hope and mirage for   many.

Sure for most of us we count it as entertainment money and don't worry if we lose it, but it can be come an addiction, and one enough for us to have an anti-gambling ad campaign.

I just don't like the idea of Siggie throwing himself into a tackle to make money for the TAB and 90,000 kids being ok with that. Or worse advertising it on their sleeves of their own stripeys.martinb2012-01-31 13:36:00


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While I like that the Club has a deal for money, it also isn't something that sits entirely easy with me given the push for families to attend and support the Nix. It's not something I feel extremely strongly about, but given the choice I'd rather another party be on board personally. Still, I'm just one.

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Yeh- I don't mean to come out ungrateful. I want the club to go on, and I want us to have secure revenue streams.

But fairly uneasy with it too.

There are the negative stories- fixed games for gambling cartels, Grant Brebner (addict) etc etc

Also I guess a lot of people here place bets for top scorer, first goal etc etc or have fantasy teams, which is a gateway drug if I ever saw one- but I can't really get into that 'cos it gets in the way of drinking and yelling or chanting.



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Grandadi wrote:

theprof wrote:
I see no issue with this whatsoever, the TAB live for sport they have to be the best marketing tool the Nix could have right now - they bring hot girls to the game, as a sponsor they'll be talking about it on their shows it's perfect for the nix.
I get what you mean, and can see some positives. The trouble for me is that gambling is a major societal problem- not everyone dies form fags or booze, but it's become socially unacceptable almost everywhere. Is gambling going to go the same way?I guess on balance I would rather TAB profits went to the Nix if they've got to go to any sport......


It's just quite a change in the 'Nix branding:

Sony, Wellington Beds, Export 33 (responsible beer wtf), Life Flight Trust...TAB

fair enough- probably get us noticed by a lot of new folks though!


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Export 33 is just low carb beer, I dunno how that's responsible. Guess it helps fight obesity, but isn't it just as alcoholic as an "irresponsible" beer like Tui?

Does anyone have an issue with Sony and Adidas using sweatshop labour? Or the Sony advertising encouraging kids to stay indoors and play ps3 or watch tv rather than exercising (working on my playstation tan, I believe the ad said). Sure TAB isn't an ideal sponsor, but pro sport is full of murky moral areas... lets just grin and take the money!


People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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TAB is the actual sports related sponsor we have, have the prem league teams are sponsored by betting sights (online poker predominantly) so what if the biggest betting agency in the country wants to be associated with us, let them have it. We may as well benefit from the money the team helps raise each week.
 
I think some of us "fans" are just being a little precious - we are never going to be in the position of saying no to a sponsorship request unless it's outright illegal and even then it'd be considered.
theprof2012-01-31 15:13:25

Queenslander 3x a year.

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theprof wrote:
 
I think some of us "fans" are just being a little precious - we are never going to be in the position of saying no to a sponsorship request unless it's outright illegal and even then it'd be considered.
Your not wrong with this statement.Not sure how some people can only single out the TAB when arguably the damage liquor does in this country is far worse.As also pointed out guess the sweat shops must be okay as they dont affect us.

Then again its not surprising given the love shown to our original benefactor by some,despite some more than dubious practices.


ballane2012-01-31 17:13:55

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Ballane don't blame us for going "soft" on liquor advertising and the effects of alcohol. It's just that alcohol gets a pretty sweet ride in this respect in NZ society and to point the finger there would risk being labelled an extremist.

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ahmad wrote:
Ballane don't blame us for going "soft" on liquor advertising and the effects of alcohol. It's just that alcohol gets a pretty sweet ride in this respect in NZ society and to point the finger there would risk being labelled an extremist.
Not at all just think its interesting that some have made comment about the TAB while mostly ignoring others.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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ballane wrote:

ahmad wrote:
Ballane don't blame us for going "soft" on liquor advertising and the effects of alcohol. It's just that alcohol gets a pretty sweet ride in this respect in NZ society and to point the finger there would risk being labelled an extremist.
Not at all just think its interesting that some have made comment about the TAB while mostly ignoring others.


I have no problem with the TAB sponsering the Phoenix. I would have a problem if the TAB logo was on my replica kit, hence me promoting gambling when I show my Phoenix pride. I do not wear Phoenix shorts, and therefore have no problem with Export 33 being on the kit, which is why I have not mentioned alcohol.patrick4782012-01-31 17:19:55

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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Patrick how would you feel if Hyundai mistreated workers and compromised safety in their factories?

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
SO does anyone have a problem with TAB sponsoring this Website? Just asking
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patrick478 wrote:
ballane wrote:

ahmad wrote:
Ballane don't blame us for going "soft" on liquor advertising and the effects of alcohol. It's just that alcohol gets a pretty sweet ride in this respect in NZ society and to point the finger there would risk being labelled an extremist.
Not at all just think its interesting that some have made comment about the TAB while mostly ignoring others.


I have no problem with the TAB sponsering the Phoenix. I would have a problem if the TAB logo was on my replica kit, hence me promoting gambling when I show my Phoenix pride.
people dont look that closely
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ahmad wrote:
Patrick how would you feel if Hyundai mistreated workers and compromised safety in their factories?


Think of the children before making information like that public Ahmad!

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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patrick478 wrote:
ahmad wrote:
Patrick how would you feel if Hyundai mistreated workers and compromised safety in their factories?
Think of the children before making information like that public Ahmad!

Or exploited children?

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ahmad wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
ahmad wrote:
Patrick how would you feel if Hyundai mistreated workers and compromised safety in their factories?
Think of the children before making information like that public Ahmad!

Or exploited children?



Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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patrick478 wrote:
ahmad wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
ahmad wrote:
Patrick how would you feel if Hyundai mistreated workers and compromised safety in their factories?
Think of the children before making information like that public Ahmad!

Or exploited children?




Hyundai's workers may or may not be mistreated in the legal sense but if you knew their working conditions and forced to work under them yourself I guarantee it would suck balls.
I should disclaim that I don't know what their conditions are, but judging by what is OK in Korea I'm going to assume Hyundai would toe the same line
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DJBigTed wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
ahmad wrote:
patrick478 wrote:
ahmad wrote:
Patrick how would you feel if Hyundai mistreated workers and compromised safety in their factories?
Think of the children before making information like that public Ahmad!

Or exploited children?




Hyundai's workers may or may not be mistreated in the legal sense but if you knew their working conditions and forced to work under them yourself I guarantee it would suck balls.
I should disclaim that I don't know what their conditions are, but judging by what is OK in Korea I'm going to assume Hyundai would toe the same line


Exactly. All corporations suck balls. TAB is no worse.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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theprof wrote:
TAB is the actual sports related sponsor we have, have the prem league teams are sponsored by betting sights (online poker predominantly) so what if the biggest betting agency in the country wants to be associated with us, let them have it. We may as well benefit from the money the team helps raise each week.
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I think some of us "fans" are just being a little precious - we are never going to be in the position of saying no to a sponsorship request unless it's outright illegal and even then it'd be considered.


I made the same comment when Spurs had Mansion as their sponsor.

Could you also explain what you mean by your last statement ("fans" being precious)?

"Phoenix till they lose"

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Grandadi wrote:

theprof wrote:
I see no issue with this whatsoever, the TAB live for sport they have to be the best marketing tool the Nix could have right now - they bring hot girls to the game, as a sponsor they'll be talking about it on their shows it's perfect for the nix.
I get what you mean, and can see some positives. The trouble for me is that gambling is a major societal problem- not everyone dies form fags or booze, but it's become socially unacceptable almost everywhere. Is gambling going to go the same way?I guess on balance I would rather TAB profits went to the Nix if they've got to go to any sport......


I must've missed the memo saying that drinking is socially unacceptable? Unless you are talking about gambling, in which case I must've also missed that memo!

Honestly think some people are getting a little overly dramatic about this sponsorship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Those against also don't seem to be giving their fellow fans much credit by inferring that many of us will now develop a gambling habit due to this new encouragement to gamble.

The anti-gambling ads are heavily focused on the pokies, the numbers of people who have a problem related solely to sports betting must be absolutely minute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I wonder how many of those complaining about the TAB sponsorship play Lotto every week.
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Amazing, your powers of inference and also those who think that posters expressing their reservations about these things are being precious or overly dramatic.

Play the ball not the player.

I've used up my annoyance from last week's shenanigans.   Just because other people's views don't coincide with your values don't belittle them.

Edit: for Steve-O's benefit
Junior822012-01-31 19:52:07

"Phoenix till they lose"

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martinb wrote:
Yeh- I don't mean to come out ungrateful. I want the club to go on, and I want us to have secure revenue streams.

But fairly uneasy with it too.

There are the negative stories- fixed games for gambling cartels, Grant Brebner (addict) etc etc

Also I guess a lot of people here place bets for top scorer, first goal etc etc or have fantasy teams, which is a gateway drug if I ever saw one- but I can't really get into that 'cos it gets in the way of drinking and yelling or chanting.



How is my fantasy a league side a gate way drug?

Auckland will rise once more

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Junior82 wrote:
Amazing, your powers of inference and also those who think that posters expressing their reservations about these things are being precious or overly dramatic.

Play the ball not the player.

I've used up my annoyance from last week's shenanigans.   Just because other people's views don't coincide with your values don't belittle them.

Edit: for Steve-O's benefit


It's called an opinion and also a debate.

Edit - and if the inference is not that this deal will cause some of us to develop gambling problems, then what's the problem with the sponsorship?Steve-O2012-01-31 19:59:58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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theprof wrote:
I see no issue with this whatsoever, the TAB live for sport they have to be the best marketing tool the Nix could have right now - they bring hot girls to the game, as a sponsor they'll be talking about it on their shows it's perfect for the nix.


two females I know who regularly take their kids to the game (sans male) both thought the "hot girls" spoiled the family atmosphere and one in particular said it was a shame her daughter now gets to see that she'll get more male attention if she grows up and slaps on makeup and puts her assets on display than if she played football

As a female who has been attending Nix games for three seasons now I rolled my eyes and thought give me a break. It's bad enough reading you lot drooling & sleazing over unobtainable YOUNG Barbies but least I choose to come on here and see that. I don't appreciate being forced to actually watch it on my way to get my footy fix. If Welnix wants to slant to appealing to horny males they risk alienating all the mothers who bring their kids along and up till now Phoenix games have had one of the higher rates of female attendance as a percentage compared to most sports in NZ
stealthkiwi2012-01-31 21:39:46
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stealthkiwi wrote:


theprof wrote:
I see no issue with this whatsoever, the TAB live for sport they have to be the best marketing tool the Nix could have right now - they bring hot girls to the game, as a sponsor they'll be talking about it on their shows it's perfect for the nix.
two females I know who regularly take their kids to the game (sans male) both thought the "hot girls" spoiled the family atmosphere and one in particular said it was a shame her daughter now gets to see that she'll get more male attention if she grows up and slaps on makeup and puts her assets on display than if she played footballAs a female who has been attending Nix games for three seasons now I rolled my eyes and thought give me a break. It's bad enough reading you lot drooling & sleazing over unobtainable YOUNG Barbies but least I choose to come on here and see that. I don't appreciate being forced to actually watch it on my way to get my footy fix. If Welnix wants to slant to appealing to horny males they risk alienating all the mothers who bring their kids along and up till now Phoenix games has had one of the higher rates of female attendance as a percentage compared to most sports in NZ


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C-Diddy2012-01-31 21:39:51

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stealthkiwi wrote:



theprof wrote:
I see no issue with this whatsoever, the TAB live for sport they have to be the best marketing tool the Nix could have right now - they bring hot girls to the game, as a sponsor they'll be talking about it on their shows it's perfect for the nix.
two females I know who regularly take their kids to the game (sans male) both thought the "hot girls" spoiled the family atmosphere and one in particular said it was a shame her daughter now gets to see that she'll get more male attention if she grows up and slaps on makeup and puts her assets on display than if she played footballAs a female who has been attending Nix games for three seasons now I rolled my eyes and thought give me a break. It's bad enough reading you lot drooling & sleazing over unobtainable YOUNG Barbies but least I choose to come on here and see that. I don't appreciate being forced to actually watch it on my way to get my footy fix. If Welnix wants to slant to appealing to horny males they risk alienating all the mothers who bring their kids along and up till now Phoenix games have had one of the higher rates of female attendance as a percentage compared to most sports in NZ



A few good looking girls handing out some fliers spoiled the entire 'family atmosphere'? Give me a break.

What was it exactly you were forced to watch? Its not as if they were performing lapdances on every male entering the stadium was it?

Contrary to the belief of many parents, not everything has to be geared at families and a 'family atmosphere' all of the time.

Anyone who would stop going and deny their kids a trip to the football because you happen to see a girl in a miniskirt on your way into the stadium is slightly nuts in my opinion.

The kids probably thought nothing of it anyway!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Hey I'm not a mother and in fact often think there should be less kids at the stadium or at least way better parenting...

 but lol how do you think stereotyping comes about... girls grow up seeing men oggle a certain type/look of female and they think thats how they have to look. plus whn you've been a loyal supporter for years it gets a bit boring when the sponsers only aim their promos at the male population
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stealthkiwi wrote:
Hey I'm not a mother and in fact often think there should be less kids at the stadium or at least way better parenting...�but lol how do you think stereotyping comes about... girls grow up seeing men oggle a certain type/look of female and they think thats how they have to look. plus whn you've been a loyal supporter for years it gets a bit boring when the sponsers only aim their promos at the male population


There are more male 'customers' than female though so it's just the way it is in that sense, no?

What type of promos would you like to see aimed at women?

Like with the gambling stuff above, I don't think you are giving these kids much credit. Some will grow up wanting to be ogled and looked at that way, some won't, thats life! I am not sure a few girls they might glimpse at for 10 seconds on their way to the football will dramatically change their outlook on life.

Harmless IMO.

We all know that females only go to games to ogle the players so they are just trying to provide some equality!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:


We all know that females only go to games to ogle the players so they are just trying to provide some equality!


haha yeah I have a cpl of mates who do that but must admit I've never really got it... I might not be able to stand rugby as a game but man the All Blacks make the Nix players look like tiny schoolboys

anyway back on topic... I have no probs with the TAB coming onboard but really wd hate to see the concourse/entry start resembling the Hamilton V8 race as far as saying welcome all you men... ahh sh*t didn't notice or care about you female supporters
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Just guessing here but I suspect the TAB girls were a unique, once-only-ever event at the game that will never happen again. "It" was a secret and was only revealed on game day so you certainly did not want to miss this one.ahmad2012-01-31 23:01:42

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about 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Man, usually fans moan that we cannot get a sponsor (see start of last season) and now that we have a very good one who are making a lot of effort they complain about that too?

TAB is nothing like the money drain that pokies are and even promote sensible gambling (i know I have a TAB account), end of the day the words TAB Sport on the arm of the sleeve is not going to make me spend my whole pay cheque with them.....


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I'd have preferred Gareth Morgan Kiwisaver personally

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re: the comment "TAB is nothing like the drain pokies are"

last time i went to the TAB i couldn't help but notice the pokie machines in the corner...

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