Wellington Phoenix Men

Phoenix as a "Selling Club"

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over 6 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Players aren't commodoties, there's things outside of the Phoenix's control like whether they want to sign a contract extension or whether they want to move to the club which is offering to buy them.

Actually they are commodities, though the occasional one has some intelligence and feelings as well, so they need to be treated a little more carefully than bales of wool.

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over 6 years ago

Feverish wrote:

Baiter wrote:

The Phoenix wouldn't sell a young player with a future who wanted to be here. In the same way a number of players have gone to US colleges that the Phoenxi firmly believe would be A-League players. The Academy is about helping players and people and if the better option is a full scholarship at Harvard then the Phoenix aren't going to stand in the way.

Some of the absolute garbage written here makes me wonder if we support the same club.

Interested as to how they could stand in the way of an Academy players choosing to got a US College?

US colleges are for the players who won't make it as footballers.

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over 6 years ago

Royz wrote:

Im worried we r gonna be the next CCM, as we just play young players for the sake of the shop window, were a top 6 finish becomes redundant all for the sake of a transfer fee. 

How can you advertise a great player if you are constantly getting the Wooden spoon or next to it. 

in the 8 seasons since WelNix took over the club, we've finished last or second to last 4 times, and only made the top 6 three times, twice finishing 4th for our best result. In the same time frame CCM have finished 1st, 2nd and 3rd, won the toilet seat and only finished in the bottom two 3 times. Maybe CCM should worry about becoming the new Phoenix. Yes they have had a shark run for the last 5 seasons but we have only finished one place above them in three of those seasons. 

Clearly whatever we have been doing hasn't been a success so the kneejerk hate of a change in strategy is a bit funny. Worried about becoming CCM? Yeah, it sure would suck to be a team wearing yellow playing in front of dwindling crowds and spending most seasons just hoping we don't come last.

Sure there are risks with this kind of approach the article is suggesting but there are risks with every strategy. We don't have the money to adopt a City group approach of throwing cash around and even if we did it's harder to attract players to Wellington than to Melbourne or Sydney. Where we do have an advantage though is a captive pool of potential youth prospects that would be foreign players for all of the other clubs. Even in their immediate catchment area CCM are still competing with the Jets and the two Sydney clubs for young players. 

So finishing last again is fine so long as we get a transfer fee for Ben Waine? such a sjw thing.

Mr Positive

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over 6 years ago

Royz wrote:

Im worried we r gonna be the next CCM, as we just play young players for the sake of the shop window, were a top 6 finish becomes redundant all for the sake of a transfer fee. 

How can you advertise a great player if you are constantly getting the Wooden spoon or next to it. 

I doubt we will finish wooden spooners due to the influx of new young players, more likely due to the lack of nous of a the new inexperienced coach.  The coach steers the ship.

I also doubt we will finish above CCM this year.

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over 6 years ago

COnst wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Players aren't commodoties, there's things outside of the Phoenix's control like whether they want to sign a contract extension or whether they want to move to the club which is offering to buy them.

Actually they are commodities, though the occasional one has some intelligence and feelings as well, so they need to be treated a little more carefully than bales of wool.

Wrong, but you know that and are just stirring.

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over 6 years ago

COnst wrote:

I doubt we will finish wooden spooners due to the influx of new young players, more likely due to the lack of nous of a the new inexperienced coach. 

Nice trolling, Mark, now go back to cheating on your missus and coaxing another season out of Dura's legs.


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over 6 years ago · edited over 6 years ago · History

COnst wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Baiter wrote:

The Phoenix wouldn't sell a young player with a future who wanted to be here. In the same way a number of players have gone to US colleges that the Phoenxi firmly believe would be A-League players. The Academy is about helping players and people and if the better option is a full scholarship at Harvard then the Phoenix aren't going to stand in the way.

Some of the absolute garbage written here makes me wonder if we support the same club.

Interested as to how they could stand in the way of an Academy players choosing to got a US College?

US colleges are for the players who won't make it as footballers.

Ryan Nelsen did ok.

Most players won't make it as (pro) footballers, why not get a free degree whilst working that out.

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over 6 years ago · edited over 6 years ago · History

Royz wrote:

Royz wrote:

Im worried we r gonna be the next CCM, as we just play young players for the sake of the shop window, were a top 6 finish becomes redundant all for the sake of a transfer fee. 

How can you advertise a great player if you are constantly getting the Wooden spoon or next to it. 

in the 8 seasons since WelNix took over the club, we've finished last or second to last 4 times, and only made the top 6 three times, twice finishing 4th for our best result. In the same time frame CCM have finished 1st, 2nd and 3rd, won the toilet seat and only finished in the bottom two 3 times. Maybe CCM should worry about becoming the new Phoenix. Yes they have had a shark run for the last 5 seasons but we have only finished one place above them in three of those seasons. 

Clearly whatever we have been doing hasn't been a success so the kneejerk hate of a change in strategy is a bit funny. Worried about becoming CCM? Yeah, it sure would suck to be a team wearing yellow playing in front of dwindling crowds and spending most seasons just hoping we don't come last.

Sure there are risks with this kind of approach the article is suggesting but there are risks with every strategy. We don't have the money to adopt a City group approach of throwing cash around and even if we did it's harder to attract players to Wellington than to Melbourne or Sydney. Where we do have an advantage though is a captive pool of potential youth prospects that would be foreign players for all of the other clubs. Even in their immediate catchment area CCM are still competing with the Jets and the two Sydney clubs for young players. 

So finishing last again is fine so long as we get a transfer fee for Ben Waine? such a sjw thing.

LOL what? 

Happy to be called an SJW if it means I'm not racist /sexist/homophobic/whatever, but I am a bit confused about how that's got anything to do with arguing about the policy of developing youth. Did I say that all these kids we are going to develop have to attend mandatory drag queen story hour at the local library before football practice every day?

I am also a bit confused about what you are advocating here - that we keep doing what we're doing and finish last anyway? Developing youth and attractive, successful football aren't mutually exclusive. Look at Ajax in the Champions League last year - half their first team squad under the age of 24 and they reached the semi finals playing great football. 

On another note, are you doing alright? Everything okay in your life outside the forum? Because I'm pretty sure you didn't used to be such a pissy dick about everything. You seem like you're going through some sort of crisis.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 6 years ago

Did I say that all these kids we are going to develop have to attend mandatory drag queen story hour at the local library before football practice every day?

No, but I think that'd be an excellent idea


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over 6 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Did I say that all these kids we are going to develop have to attend mandatory drag queen story hour at the local library before football practice every day?

No, but I think that'd be an excellent idea

The drag queens could read out tactical analysis and scouting reports, just to kill two birds with one stone

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 6 years ago

Royz wrote:

Royz wrote:

Im worried we r gonna be the next CCM, as we just play young players for the sake of the shop window, were a top 6 finish becomes redundant all for the sake of a transfer fee. 

How can you advertise a great player if you are constantly getting the Wooden spoon or next to it. 

in the 8 seasons since WelNix took over the club, we've finished last or second to last 4 times, and only made the top 6 three times, twice finishing 4th for our best result. In the same time frame CCM have finished 1st, 2nd and 3rd, won the toilet seat and only finished in the bottom two 3 times. Maybe CCM should worry about becoming the new Phoenix. Yes they have had a shark run for the last 5 seasons but we have only finished one place above them in three of those seasons. 

Clearly whatever we have been doing hasn't been a success so the kneejerk hate of a change in strategy is a bit funny. Worried about becoming CCM? Yeah, it sure would suck to be a team wearing yellow playing in front of dwindling crowds and spending most seasons just hoping we don't come last.

Sure there are risks with this kind of approach the article is suggesting but there are risks with every strategy. We don't have the money to adopt a City group approach of throwing cash around and even if we did it's harder to attract players to Wellington than to Melbourne or Sydney. Where we do have an advantage though is a captive pool of potential youth prospects that would be foreign players for all of the other clubs. Even in their immediate catchment area CCM are still competing with the Jets and the two Sydney clubs for young players. 

So finishing last again is fine so long as we get a transfer fee for Ben Waine? such a sjw thing.

I don't think 'SJW' means what you think it means...

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over 6 years ago

Jaickin wrote:

I don't think 'SJW' means what you think it means...

Salty Jackhammer W**ker?

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over 6 years ago

Bananas wrote:

Jaickin wrote:

I don't think 'SJW' means what you think it means...

Salty Jackhammer W**ker?

Seriously Jaded Willy?

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over 6 years ago · edited over 6 years ago · History

Haven’t had to do this for a while. But general reminder: 


Allegedly

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over 6 years ago

COnst wrote:

Bananas wrote:

Jaickin wrote:

I don't think 'SJW' means what you think it means...

Salty Jackhammer W**ker?

Seriously Jaded Willy?

Both potentially accurate descriptions of me TBF

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 6 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Haven’t had to do this for a while. But general reminder: 

Sorry sir

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 6 years ago

Feverish wrote:

Bevan wrote:

I'm excited about seeing more young Kiwi players making the first team.

Always great to see a new teenager come through.

was it great to see Keegan Smith :)

Yes - he had/still has potential. 

He was better than Italiano even then.

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over 6 years ago

COnst wrote:

Bit more from Ufuk on his master plan:

https://www.a-league.com.au/news/talays-bold-revol...

If you would translate or extrapolate from what is reportedly said, please, 'cos I couldn't find the revolution...

Well, I didn't write the headline or the article or personally ever call it a revolution myself, but I'd guess its a combination of Ufuk trying to establish a new way of doing things (by putting faith in young guys and not just recycling A League journeymen) and journalists /PR types engaging in hyperbole to make more people read their stories.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 6 years ago

Well said.

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