Wellington Phoenix Men

Phoenix losing money...

82 replies · 1,000 views
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Phoenix losing money...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I see on another thread that Phoenix are making a "small loss" apparently and attendances have been cited as one of the possible reasons.
 
Now, while the numbers are a bit lower than we'd all like, can I suggest another problem that nobody seems to pick up on.
 
I pay my $28 fair and square every match BUT I know of several people who purchase kids tickets at whatever price they are ($10?? or free in recent cases!) and simply scan the tickets and are in.
 
Shouldn't the Phoenix be doing more to check that people are actually buying tickets at the correct price??? Sometimes I wonder why I pay the full whack when it is blatantly easy to get in at a fraction of the price.
 
Something that needs to be rectified for next season anyway.
 
Alas, the flip side is that some of these con artists might not bother going at all if they don't get in at the cheaper prices.
 
Discuss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
maybe a kids gate that is only four foot high?

Founder

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Every clubs losing money!

read in depth you idiot with what tony said

IBTL
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
well if people are doing that they are ripping of the very club that they "supposedly " support. Effectively stealing from Terry - if you know people doing that tell them to pull their heads in.
 
wouldnt think huge numbers doing that.
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HK_Keeper wrote:
Every clubs losing money!

read in depth you idiot with what tony said

IBTL
 
Don't call me an idiot, idiot.
 
I am trying to raise a valid point and noted on another thread that Phoenix were making a small loss. I couldn't give a flying one about the other clubs, I am simply saying that there is a problem that is costing Phoenix money and it should be addressed.
 
Read my post in depth eh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Every clubs losing money!

read in depth you idiot with what tony said

IBTL
 
Don't call me an idiot, idiot.
 
I am trying to raise a valid point and noted on another thread that Phoenix were making a small loss. I couldn't give a flying one about the other clubs, I am simply saying that there is a problem that is costing Phoenix money and it should be addressed.
 
Read my post in depth eh.
 
Just ignore HKK, he isn't the sharpest tool in the box..

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Every clubs losing money! read in depth you idiot with what tony saidIBTL

�

Don't call me an idiot, idiot.

�

I am trying to raise a valid point and noted on another thread that Phoenix were making a small loss. I couldn't give a flying one about the other clubs, I am simply saying that there is a problem that is costing Phoenix money and it should be addressed.

�

Read my post in depth eh.
Lol Steve do you know much about football? I am guessing not. HK was basically saying that the problem has nothing to do with people buying kids tickets (I seriously laughed hard at this) but that attendences are down across all of the A-league so unless every single club has a problem of people buying kids tickets then it is another reason(s) (Have you heard about the global recession or seen the quality of the football????).
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Scottishbhoy wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Every clubs losing money! read in depth you idiot with what tony saidIBTL

�

Don't call me an idiot, idiot.

�

I am trying to raise a valid point and noted on another thread that Phoenix were making a small loss. I couldn't give a flying one about the other clubs, I am simply saying that there is a problem that is costing Phoenix money and it should be addressed.

�

Read my post in depth eh.

�

Just ignore HKK, he isn't the sharpest tool in the box..


I thought he was getting antsy because this is exactly what he used to do (and possibly still does) - buy a child's ticket to go in even though he doesn't qualify anymore?
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Every clubs losing money! read in depth you idiot with what tony saidIBTL

�

Don't call me an idiot, idiot.

�

I am trying to raise a valid point and noted on another thread that Phoenix were making a small loss. I couldn't give a flying one about the other clubs, I am simply saying that there is a problem that is costing Phoenix money and it should be addressed.

�

Read my post in depth eh.
Lol Steve do you know much about football? I am guessing not. HK was basically saying that the problem has nothing to do with people buying kids tickets (I seriously laughed hard at this) but that attendences are down across all of the A-league so unless every single club has a problem of people buying kids tickets then it is another reason(s) (Have you heard about the global recession or seen the quality of the football????).


That's beside the point - people who do this are still ripping off the club and cutting into its margins. Not cool at all.
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Every clubs losing money! read in depth you idiot with what tony saidIBTL

 

Don't call me an idiot, idiot.

 

I am trying to raise a valid point and noted on another thread that Phoenix were making a small loss. I couldn't give a flying one about the other clubs, I am simply saying that there is a problem that is costing Phoenix money and it should be addressed.

 

Read my post in depth eh.
Lol Steve do you know much about football? I am guessing not. HK was basically saying that the problem has nothing to do with people buying kids tickets (I seriously laughed hard at this) but that attendences are down across all of the A-league so unless every single club has a problem of people buying kids tickets then it is another reason(s) (Have you heard about the global recession or seen the quality of the football????).
 
Exactly what has my post actually got to do with 'knowing about football'. I've been watching for 25 years pal and have been to literally hundreds of games, spending thousands of pounds, and now dollars, in the process. So please, less of the suggestion I know nothing about football when I have forgotten more about football than some people know.
 
You are guessing that one cause of Phoenix losing money is NOT because adults are buying kids tickets? How exactly do you come to this logic brainbox?
 
Once again, read my original post where I clearly mention that numbers are down. People buying kids tickets doesn't exactly help, does it??
 
Quality of the football isn't amazing, but it's the best we are going to get down here so people should stick with it and help it grow rather than deciding it's rubbish and sitting in the house or going round the shops with their Mrs instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
why is everyone having a go Steve-o????
 
He raised a valid point, and is getting c**ted off all over the shop.  Very strange.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
why is everyone having a go Steve-o????
 
He raised a valid point, and is getting c**ted off all over the shop.  Very strange.
 
My point seems to have been misinterpreted as saying this is the SOLE reason Phoenix are losing money, when it's not saying that at all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Every clubs losing money! read in depth you idiot with what tony saidIBTL[/QUOTE]
 

Don't call me an idiot, idiot.

 

I am trying to raise a valid point and noted on another thread that Phoenix were making a small loss. I couldn't give a flying one about the other clubs, I am simply saying that there is a problem that is costing Phoenix money and it should be addressed.

 

Read my post in depth eh.
Lol Steve do you know much about football? I am guessing not. HK was basically saying that the problem has nothing to do with people buying kids tickets (I seriously laughed hard at this) but that attendences are down across all of the A-league so unless every single club has a problem of people buying kids tickets then it is another reason(s) (Have you heard about the global recession or seen the quality of the football????).


FINALLY!

Someone who understands logic


[QUOTE=Steve-O] I've been watching for 25 years pal


And still couldn't tell sh*t from clay
HK_Keeper2009-01-21 23:22:48
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
It does have more to do with the crowd numbers.
Even having another 3k using kids tickets ads up.
The main problem is crowds. And ticketek and the club are asking for proof of age.

And dont have a go at me for "modding"
But it is frustrating to see three threads just from one radio sport interview.
Stefan2009-01-21 23:24:24
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HK_Keeper wrote:
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Every clubs losing money! read in depth you idiot with what tony saidIBTL[/QUOTE]
 

Don't call me an idiot, idiot.

 

I am trying to raise a valid point and noted on another thread that Phoenix were making a small loss. I couldn't give a flying one about the other clubs, I am simply saying that there is a problem that is costing Phoenix money and it should be addressed.

 

Read my post in depth eh.
Lol Steve do you know much about football? I am guessing not. HK was basically saying that the problem has nothing to do with people buying kids tickets (I seriously laughed hard at this) but that attendences are down across all of the A-league so unless every single club has a problem of people buying kids tickets then it is another reason(s) (Have you heard about the global recession or seen the quality of the football????).


FINALLY!

Someone who understands logic


[QUOTE=Steve-O] I've been watching for 25 years pal


And still couldn't tell sh*t from clay
 
Are you completely illiterate or something? It is yours and wellyphoenixfan's logic that makes no sense. You are the pair who are suggesting these adults buying kids tickets are making no contribution to losses the Phoenix are making. Please explain the logic behind this theory?
 
I am well aware there are other factors contributing to the loss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HK_Keeper wrote:
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Every clubs losing money! read in depth you idiot with what tony saidIBTL[/QUOTE]
 

Don't call me an idiot, idiot.

 

I am trying to raise a valid point and noted on another thread that Phoenix were making a small loss. I couldn't give a flying one about the other clubs, I am simply saying that there is a problem that is costing Phoenix money and it should be addressed.

 

Read my post in depth eh.
Lol Steve do you know much about football? I am guessing not. HK was basically saying that the problem has nothing to do with people buying kids tickets (I seriously laughed hard at this) but that attendences are down across all of the A-league so unless every single club has a problem of people buying kids tickets then it is another reason(s) (Have you heard about the global recession or seen the quality of the football????).


FINALLY!

Someone who understands logic


[QUOTE=Steve-O] I've been watching for 25 years pal


And still couldn't tell sh*t from clay
 
I can tell who's an arse though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Stev-O never said this was the main problem, just something that no-one really talks about.
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Stefan wrote:
It does have more to do with the crowd numbers.
Even having another 3k using kids tickets ads up.
The main problem is crowds. And ticketek and the club are asking for proof of age.

And dont have a go at me for "modding"
But it is frustrating to see three threads just from one radio sport interview.
 
Sorry, I missed the main one before I posted this. Plus it's kind of off on a separate tangent. I was going to post this anyway, but thought I'd link it in with this latest news since it's relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Every clubs losing money! read in depth you idiot with what tony saidIBTL[/QUOTE]
 

Don't call me an idiot, idiot.

 

I am trying to raise a valid point and noted on another thread that Phoenix were making a small loss. I couldn't give a flying one about the other clubs, I am simply saying that there is a problem that is costing Phoenix money and it should be addressed.

 

Read my post in depth eh.
Lol Steve do you know much about football? I am guessing not. HK was basically saying that the problem has nothing to do with people buying kids tickets (I seriously laughed hard at this) but that attendences are down across all of the A-league so unless every single club has a problem of people buying kids tickets then it is another reason(s) (Have you heard about the global recession or seen the quality of the football????).


FINALLY!

Someone who understands logic


[QUOTE=Steve-O] I've been watching for 25 years pal


And still couldn't tell sh*t from clay
 
I can tell who's an arse though.


Geez,dont put yourself down
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Every clubs losing money!

read in depth you idiot with what tony said

IBTL
 
Don't call me an idiot, idiot.



Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HK_Keeper wrote:
Geez,dont put yourself down
 
Good comeback.
 
Obviously any discussion with you is futile as you have shown you are completely unable to read so I'll just hope that people who can will discuss this in a normal manner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
OI cade.
Mate, you're 16.. Maybe you should'nt be arguing with people who have been at this game for longer than you.
This forum isn't for you to attack people.
Stefan2009-01-21 23:33:31
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I always go on a "think before you post" method... Well not always, but most times.

A lot of people on here don't though, which is why they have so big post counts, when they really don't add to the discussions at all.

Replies like "IBTL" are stupid and not needed....

And while I'm saying this I have realised that this has nothing to do with this thread... Crap.
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Stefan wrote:
OI cade.
Mate, you're 16.. Maybe you should'nt be arguing with people who have been at this game for longer than you.
This forum isn't for you to attack people.


He missed the point thats been thrown at him a number of times!

ALL CLUBS ARE LOSING MONEY FOR VARIOUS f**kING REASONS!!

simple
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Geez,dont put yourself down

�

Good comeback.

�

Obviously any discussion with you is futile as you have shown you are completely unable to read so I'll just hope that people who can will discuss this in a normal manner.


You've made a valid point - but hard to see what the club can do about this other than have random ticket checks to ensure that everyone has a correctly priced ticket.

Anything else would probably be a waste of resources all things considered.el grapadura2009-01-21 23:40:30
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HarryPeters wrote:
I always go on a "think before you post" method... Well not always, but most times.

A lot of people on here don't though, which is why they have so big post counts, when they really don't add to the discussions at all.

Replies like "IBTL" are stupid and not needed....

And while I'm saying this I have realised that this has nothing to do with this thread... Crap.


Lol that went to method
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HK_Keeper wrote:

Stefan wrote:

OI cade.Mate, you're 16.. Maybe you should'nt be arguing with people who have been at this game for longer than you.This forum isn't for you to attack people.
He missed the point thats been thrown at him a number of times!ALL CLUBS ARE LOSING MONEY FOR VARIOUS f**kING REASONS!!simple


No, you miss the point. He said this was a contributing factor to the club losing money, and invited discussion on what can be done about it.

Now switch your brain on and start contributing reasonably, otherwise go to bed.
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HK_Keeper wrote:
Stefan wrote:
OI cade.
Mate, you're 16.. Maybe you should'nt be arguing with people who have been at this game for longer than you.
This forum isn't for you to attack people.


He missed the point thats been thrown at him a number of times!

ALL CLUBS ARE LOSING MONEY FOR VARIOUS f**kING REASONS!!

simple


Have you thought that this could be one of those various reason?
Leave the attitude out of it cade.
Its a valid point
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HK_Keeper wrote:
Stefan wrote:
OI cade.
Mate, you're 16.. Maybe you should'nt be arguing with people who have been at this game for longer than you.
This forum isn't for you to attack people.


He missed the point thats been thrown at him a number of times!

ALL CLUBS ARE LOSING MONEY FOR VARIOUS f**kING REASONS!!

simple
 
I think it's you that has missed the point and I invite you AGAIN to go back to the original post and my subsequent posts and read exactly what I have said before making a fool of yourself once more.
 
I have provided ONE of the various reasons as to why Phoenix (just Phoenix, don't care about the others) have been losing SOME money. Get it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Damn I love it how people are calling him Cade and not his forum name....

Like a parent telling a child off.
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
el grapadura wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
HK_Keeper wrote:
Geez,dont put yourself down

 

Good comeback.

 

Obviously any discussion with you is futile as you have shown you are completely unable to read so I'll just hope that people who can will discuss this in a normal manner.


You've made a valid point - but hard to see what the club can do about this other than have random ticket checks to ensure that everyone has a correctly priced ticket.

Anything else would probablt be a waste of resources all things considered.
 
Well, for me, all tickets should be checked. It happens in the UK with bigger crowds (I would not expect to get in if I had a kids ticket unless I was VERY lucky) so I don't see why it shouldn't happen here. There are stewards at almost every scanner, as well as those checking bags before you even get to that point.
 
Perhaps different coloured tickets to make it obvious or something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
HK_Keeper wrote:

He missed the point thats been thrown at him a number of times!ALL CLUBS ARE LOSING MONEY FOR VARIOUS f**kING REASONS!!simple


Don't think he's arguing that point, I think he was just pointing out what one of those 'various f**king reasons' might be. Jag2009-01-21 23:40:43

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
Perhaps different coloured tickets to make it obvious or something?


That presumes a degree of competence from Ticketek.

But a good idea, wonder how practicable it is.
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Colored tickets!
Thats a good idea.
But it would require a different printing system at ticketek outlets.
All that we can really do about that is have Red Badge check tickets. Im sure I can have a talk to my boss.
The crowd numbers might decrease a bit. but that depends if it goes off ticket sales or how many people enter through the gates.
But the club would still make money from the tickets sold because they are non-refundable.
Stefan2009-01-21 23:48:19
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I regularly see people walk past where I sit checking their season ticket to see where they should be sitting.  Fair enough in the early weeks but even I can remember where I am sitting after 3 or 4 months.  I have a feeling there is a fair amount of 'lending' season tickets when people can't use them.  Again maybe not a huge contributor to losses but more revenue is lost.
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Some that obviously differentiates between a kids ticket and an adult ticket would help.
 
For instance I have seen adult tickets that have perforated edges on both sides, and the corresponding kids ticket only having one (the other having been ripped off already) and thefore the adult ticket is literally bigger than the kids's one.
 
I'm not sure how widespread it is, but it most certainly does happen and should be stopped. I can't even begin to think how many people paid nothing at the 'kids go free' game the other week. I saw one girl who was probably about 18 going up to the ticket window and asking for 5 kids tickets - she got them and she blatantly didn't have 4 kids in tow, nor was she a kid herself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Do you realise we would still make a loss regardless of how big or small this problem is (or even non-existent)? A few $100 is not going to change our loss. I don't know if people realise but they can see the types of tickets people buy and if the kids was so high it was outside the normal the Phoenix would know this already and would address this problem. People are presuming huge amounts of people do this which is obviously wrong.
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Some people are really anal about keeping their seats too. (Not suggesting anything coxey)
Even when the seats in yellow fever are pretty much first come first served.
And I am guilty of borrowing a pass from oska from time to time though.
Permalink Permalink
about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Do you realise we would still make a loss regardless of how big or small this problem is (or even non-existent)? A few $100 is not going to change our loss. I don't know if people realise but they can see the types of tickets people buy and if the kids was so high it was outside the normal the Phoenix would know this already and would address this problem. People are presuming huge amounts of people do this which is obviously wrong.
 
So you wouldn't rather the loss was smaller by clamping down on certain things that may be affecting it? There are various reasons that may well be out of the clubs hands, but surely they have to start somewhere? If it's a few $100 every game for instance? It all adds up.
 
Additionally, please don't suggest I have somehow conjured this story out of my imagination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

Permalink Permalink