Phoenix O-League Entry

Phoenix O-League Entry

I saw that the Phoenix will most likely be playing in the O-League as early as April/May. Not sure if it is confirmed yet, if they do I wonder if the home games will be at the Ring of Fire, hope it is because of the transport, simple to get there. Also the matches will be against some part time teams like Auckland and some Island Club teams. No problem for the Phoenix. 

woo hoo that would be awesome, if its a play off with a NZ team then i will defo try and make the trip to the away leg as its then feesible wheras going to oz aint.

i hope its at the ring of fire, i think it will be likely as thats our home stadium

There are dozens of pages on this subject in the NZFC section.  Not all of them good.

BD, if you look at the on-the-field results as your only gauge for a succesful season then you're a bit of a muppet. Yes at the end of the day teams live and die by their league position, but beating the local NPC team in terms of numbers over the season is surely a success, as is the level of support outside of gameday that the nix have garnered.

Is it not a success that we have our own club store? is not a success that we have managed to get one of the biggest tech firms in the world as our shirt sponsor? is it not a success that we got to see the biggest star (most famous) in world football to little ol' wellington?

I'd much rather see the Phoenix play due to the fact they have a lesser chance of getting a total whoopin when it comes to World Club Champs. With Sepp Blatters constant threats about "Pro teams only at WCC" then it makes sense for the Phoenix to play instead of NZFC team

BD, why are you even posting on this site if you don't think the Phoenix have been succesful this season? I'm pretty sure im not the only one who is gettin a bit sick of your constant negativity, mind you it the rubbish players who are usually the most negative anyways.

"Relish with Brothers in Victory, Commiserate with them in Defeat"

Much to learn, have you, young jedi

Yes, that is all i have got to say. There have been several threads on this. Why should i bother saying anythingmore, when you havent even said a good reason why the phoenix shouldnt be in the O-League?

a team is successful when they produce results.

great come back.

If the Phoenix are so poor then let them play off against the 'top' NZFC side and see who comes out on top. The winner is our O-league rep. Simple.

If we don't perform well at the next two Club World Championships then Oceania could lose their spot at the competition. Whether you want to admit it or not the Phoenix are better than any NZFC team and could perform better at the CWC. Also, NZF needs Oceania to keep their place at the tournament as it earns them money (they need it more than ever at the moment).

I tire of this.  Take it to one of the threads on the NZFC forum.

Changed my mind.

I'm just going to delete the stupid.

beat me to it News, those calves must have mended up for you to nip in like that

and a wily move to close the thread to buy you some time to catch your breath


tigers2008-01-29 16:03:55

Better still go back to school!!!

C-Diddy... Send SMith a PM or a text about getting out to TW.

Tigers - It was that or tell everyone just to &^%$ Off and go on a banning spree.

Banning Spree.

seconded.

the patience of a saint!!

i must get you to explain the finer points of Jedi banstick wielding over a beer sometime, it looks a fearsome instrument from this distance

I think that it is simple. The Phoenix are a Oceania Team which plays in a competition linked to Asia. And they say the Phoenix won't be able to play in the Asian Champions League due to their status as an Oceania side, the only in the A-League, quite unique really. Therefore I believe they are eligible to play in the O-League as it is an Oceania-League. Even though I do think the Phoenix will be outright winners. They still have the level of football they need to keep all the players in touch for the whole year. As the NZFC teams will be fully fresh from a full season.

Rather than ban individuals how about banning/locking every thread that starts on this subject? I'm pretty tired of it. Some people like Happyted make valid points but many others, like BD are just spouting the same half-arsed opinions.

There was only ever going to be one answer to this.  Lets look at what Fifa threatened:

- Oceania needs to field a competitive team, otherwise they don't deserve the spot.
- They might limit the tournament to professional teams only, because ameteur teams likely don't deserve the spot.

Now both of these in conjunction point to the Phoenix being in the competition.  I can see why the NZFC are getting their nickers in a twist, however the truth of it is that the teams we're sending over at the moment are just not competitive.  Its unfortunate that we're the only professional team in the oceania region, and not something Fifa has come across before I don't believe... however that is the guts of it.

To be honest for a while I was starting to think the whiners would delay matters so long that Fifa just layed teh smack and remove the oceania spot altogether.  Then everyone would whine about NZ not even having a chance of getting into the competition, and just like that rugby world cup we were supposed to host, we'd end up bickering amongst ourselves so much that the whole situation just gets taken out of our hands.

Hehe yeah my bad, the "bugger off" comment, was a rage one. Shouldnt have said it.

I actually think there are some serious reasons why not, but I'm staying well out of it.

Well, of course there are. As i posted i actually would almost prefer an NZFC side to be in the CWC (apart from the thought of the phoenix playing a major european club...would so pay good money to see that). But fact is, unless the phoenix enter, oceania will lose its spot, so now i believe we kind of have  be in it.

I thought that I should point out although it sounds a bit pedantic (or correct me if I am wrong) but doesn't Tahiti has professional teams? I know their top teams they are not as good as the two NZFC teams in the O-league, but if they are professional then sooner or later they will knock our NZFC teams out once they get a decent coach. so it remains a professional teams only in a couple of years time, then we could possibility see only the Phoenix and the Tahitians completing in the O-League. I don't think that it would happen that way tho.

ah the irony is destroying me, how cna u take the name of such a long standing and differing artist while being completely stubborn and unwavering on your silly points

Isn't the World club comp in Japan scheduled for mid A-league season? Does this mean the Phoenix have to fly up and play....what happens to their A-League game while they are away.

LOL. But they would wreak our fine record by recording a large defeat.

Of course, It would have to be rescheduled around the CWC creating a bye for some clubs and have these games later in a midweek, but I imagine that A-League would have made provisions If anyone of their team becomes AFC champion.

A playoff game between the nix and the NZFC challenger might be a little money earner for the NZFC . .  .  especially if played home and away and gate takings are shared. Perhaps the winner should pass on a % of any prize money to NZFC too. So if the nix go through the NZFC still gets financial benefits.

Under the terms of the agreement ( i.e. licence agreement signed by all NZFC club to include Phoenix in a future O-League), the same prizemoney scale that was used this year would remain in place - 40 per cent of the US$500,000 minimum to the winning club, 50 per cent to the remaining NZFC clubs and 10 per cent to NZF. Gates from any Phoenix games would also go to the NZFC clubs. The Phoenix gets nothing if they lost because they are not a NZFC club.

Actually the orginal problem is AFC not OFC or FIFA. AFC rejected Aus and NZ application in 1966 after Tokyo Olympics. So Aus and NZ with Fiji created the OFC with the Islands. FIFA will only agree if OFC and AFC can stuck a deal, they don't influence their decision making and only would act as a mediator on issues. So far noone has asked for any intervention because there has not been any commitment to join AFC and OFC because both currently see there are more advantage being separate finanically rather than joined together. OFC has just received full confederation status in 1996 and was able to have a seat on the FIFA executive committee board with the other confederations.

The sooner "Oceania" is made a sub-region of Asia the better.
The whole thing is a farce.





(Although I won't be complaining if the AWs qualify for SA 2010)

Check out one of the myriad threads on this in the NZF/OFC section.
But basically, it's a competition for the Champion clubs of the Oceania region (NZFC gets two entries into the competition), and no Australian clubs participate since they're in AFC these days.