Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 1)
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Hes hardly going to tell us anything different to what he's told the media. Because if that then got to the media........
Without Terry we would never have had a club. We could ST least let him deal with this his way.
If it all falls through,hopefully one of those 6 people who are apparently interested put their money where their mouth is.
Without Terry we would never have had a club. We could ST least let him deal with this his way.
If it all falls through,hopefully one of those 6 people who are apparently interested put their money where their mouth is.
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Not really sure if this is the right thread but I've heard that there will be an announcement within the next few weeks that AMI stadium will be demolished because of a large sinkhole below it - so much for Chch games :(
Thought it was only going to be the Hadlee stand.
We will never fully decide who has won the football.
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Not really sure if this is the right thread but I've heard that there will be an announcement within the next few weeks that AMI stadium will be demolished because of a large sinkhole below it - so much for Chch games :(
I heard it's just the Hadlee stand.
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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I think we should have a peaceful sit-in and sing lots of folk songs.
Until the pigs move us along.
Bravo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQdyEw6jfGQ&feature=related
"Give Piers a chance"? Is Piers Morgan looking around for a club to invest in?
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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I don't think that JD has ever once predicted the imminent demise of the club, but has only raised concern about the direction the club is going in, which is he continuing to do in this thread. I don't think that anyone can argue that the club is going forward, and I find it strange that people get so angsty when anyone raises concerns about that. When YF was first formed, JD (amongst others) made it clear that the organisation had to be clear about its objectives, which were first and foremost being vocal about what was in the best interests of the club. It is not acceptable to just take what the club feeds us, be it in terms of announcements about what the club is trying to do or performances on the pitch, and accept it. We have to challenge it, and that is in the form of trying to meet with Terry and find out what is actually happening financially, and looking to engage other money people in the country if Terry does not have any plans beyond this dodgy loan - that is what is best for the club.
Frankie - I thought I'd reply to your post here, where it seems more relevant, rather than in the Greenacre thread.
You raise some good questions above, including "what is Yellow Fever, and what is it for?".
It seems to me that YF now consists of at least two fundamental parts, both of which are completely dependent on each other. There's the core "internal" group who actually run this website, moderate it and are the public face of YF. Then there's the wider "external" group who contribute their thoughts and opinions to the forum, stand in the fever zone (although not exclusively) and generally give YF some critical mass. The external group need the internal group to give them a focal point, keep the website running, organise events etc. But the internal group need the external group just as much. Without them they are basically just a bunch of mates talking football. It's the external group who give the internal group a public profile.
While it might have been possible when YF was first formed to talk about "organisational objectives" surely YF has now gone way past that point? Despite some lazy journalist's occasional attempts to present it that way, is there ever really a single, agreed YF point of view?
On the subject of whether Terry should should remain as "owner" of the Phoenix and, if so, whether he should be more open about the inner workings of the club I don't think there is anything even close to an agreed view, within either the internal or external YF groups. So is there actually a mandate to ask Terry for a meeting under the YF banner?
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5331244/Serepisos-loses-CBD-parking-spot
Wonder if Terry S will sell the Phoenix to Mark Dunajtschik.
Wonder if Terry S will sell the Phoenix to Mark Dunajtschik.
ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH
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Some Terry stuff in there - make of it what you will. It's from Cockerill whose sources at the FFA are probably a lot more reliable than his sources in NZ- sounds like he's just repeating things he's read elsewhere
Normo's coming home
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I don't think that JD has ever once predicted the imminent demise of the club, but has only raised concern about the direction the club is going in, which is he continuing to do in this thread. I don't think that anyone can argue that the club is going forward, and I find it strange that people get so angsty when anyone raises concerns about that. When YF was first formed, JD (amongst others) made it clear that the organisation had to be clear about its objectives, which were first and foremost being vocal about what was in the best interests of the club. It is not acceptable to just take what the club feeds us, be it in terms of announcements about what the club is trying to do or performances on the pitch, and accept it. We have to challenge it, and that is in the form of trying to meet with Terry and find out what is actually happening financially, and looking to engage other money people in the country if Terry does not have any plans beyond this dodgy loan - that is what is best for the club.
Frankie - I thought I'd reply to your post here, where it seems more relevant, rather than in the Greenacre thread.
You raise some good questions above, including "what is Yellow Fever, and what is it for?".
It seems to me that YF now consists of at least two fundamental parts, both of which are completely dependent on each other. There's the core "internal" group who actually run this website, moderate it and are the public face of YF. Then there's the wider "external" group who contribute their thoughts and opinions to the forum, stand in the fever zone (although not exclusively) and generally give YF some critical mass. The external group need the internal group to give them a focal point, keep the website running, organise events etc. But the internal group need the external group just as much. Without them they are basically just a bunch of mates talking football. It's the external group who give the internal group a public profile.
While it might have been possible when YF was first formed to talk about "organisational objectives" surely YF has now gone way past that point? Despite some lazy journalist's occasional attempts to present it that way, is there ever really a single, agreed YF point of view?
On the subject of whether Terry should should remain as "owner" of the Phoenix and, if so, whether he should be more open about the inner workings of the club I don't think there is anything even close to an agreed view, within either the internal or external YF groups. So is there actually a mandate to ask Terry for a meeting under the YF banner?
All of this stuff is valid and probably a discussion for another day but are you personally not concerned enough to support someone asking to meet with Terry and hear from the horses mouth what he has to say?
On the one hand you criticise almost everything any journo reporting on the story says as biased, factually incorrect, unimportant but when someone suggests trying to find out what is actually going on from the guy in the know you again suggest you don't support that. I find that a bit odd...
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I certainly don't support "Yellow Fever" seeking a meeting with Terry Serepisos, and neither do most, if not all, of your YF moderator colleagues based here in Wellington.
I simply don't believe that Terry will say anything privately that he hasn't been saying publicly for months, especially not to anyone associated with this forum.
Given everything that he has put into the Phoenix so far I also think it is downright rude to effectively say "we don't believe what you're telling us, open your books". I know you will disagree on this point.
If an individual wants to hit him up with some questions, however, and thinks they can get a meaningful response, then good luck to them. Just don't pretend to be representing all Phoenix fans.
The statement that I "criticise almost everything any journo reporting on the story says as biased, factually incorrect, unimportant" is also an exagerration. I certainly don't appreciate the way Dave Burgess and Matt Nippert have generally reported on this story, but they are both tabloid style hacks who in the UK would be working for red-tops. On the other hand I was recently complimentary about a Terry Serepisos story written by the Dom Post business desk which was balanced, factual and free of "Phoenix are doomed" spin. Long may that continue.
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I certainly don't support "Yellow Fever" seeking a meeting with Terry Serepisos, and neither do most, if not all, of your YF moderator colleagues based here in Wellington.
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I simply don't believe that Terry will say anything privately that he hasn't been saying publicly for months, especially not to anyone associated with this forum.
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Given everything that he�has put into�the Phoenix so far I also think it is downright rude to effectively say "we don't believe what you're telling us, open your books". I know you will disagree on this point.
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If an individual wants to hit him up with some questions, however, and thinks they can get a meaningful response, then good luck to them. Just don't pretend to be representing all Phoenix fans.
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The statement that I "criticise almost everything any journo reporting on the story says as biased, factually incorrect, unimportant" is also an exagerration. I certainly don't appreciate the way Dave Burgess and Matt Nippert have generally reported on this story, but they are both tabloid style hacks who in the UK would be working for red-tops. On the other hand I was recently complimentary about a Terry Serepisos story written by the Dom Post business desk which was balanced, factual and free of "Phoenix are doomed" spin. Long may that continue.
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I kinda have to agree with you. I don't believe from what I keep hearing that terry can continue to run the phoenix. I hear he has a last ditch plan in motion, but to me it seems a long shot. However, if he can pull it off then that would be fantastic. Its just it seems a long shot and knowing that there is a another buyer out there who has a clean image and great cash flow is extremely frustrating.
At the same time, it is not Yellow Fevers mandate to boss terry about and see the books (as much as we would love to!). How often around the world can supporters do that? Maybe if we put a supporters trust together??
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Who is this mystery buyer tpmyhill.
Those (I'm not specifically saying you, or that you do this at all), who say there is a buyer and are perhaps in the know, can't really go along and criticise those whose views are based upon there not being a buyer (as to us it is just rumour) without at least giving a source to turn it from rumour to fact.
If that makes sense? 
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Who is this mystery buyer tpmyhill.
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Those (I'm not�specifically saying you, or that you do this at all), who say there is a buyer and are perhaps in the know, can't really go along and criticise those whose views are based upon there not being a buyer (as to us it is just rumour) without at least giving a source to turn it from rumour to fact.
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If that makes sense?
Im not criticising. Im agreeing with term x. After having a very interesting chat with RedGed, I think we need to knuckle down and get on with supporting the club in its current format, regardless how frustrating it is.
Anyway, time to go buy my membership!
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In which case, you're being kind of irresponsible and spawning truckloads of rumours. You should have not even let us know you had this kind of inside information.
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Who is this mystery buyer tpmyhill.
Those (I'm not specifically saying you, or that you do this at all), who say there is a buyer and are perhaps in the know, can't really go along and criticise those whose views are based upon there not being a buyer (as to us it is just rumour) without at least giving a source to turn it from rumour to fact.
If that makes sense?
Im not criticising. Im agreeing with term x. After having a very interesting chat with RedGed, I think we need to knuckle down and get on with supporting the club in its current format, regardless how frustrating it is.
Anyway, time to go buy my membership!
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Mark Hotchin.
Well thank God for that, I was getting tired of being owned by a dodgy property developer in financial strife.
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Mark Hotchin.
Well thank God for that, I was getting tired of being owned by a dodgy property developer in financial strife.
aww gee there rules out getting the Chow brothers interested - I'm sure a Phoenix/Mermaids membership discount would have been snapped up by some YFites
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Mark Hotchin.
Well thank God for that, I was getting tired of being owned by a dodgy property developer in financial strife.
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aww gee there rules out getting the Chow brothers interested - I'm sure a Phoenix/Mermaids membership discount would have been snapped up by some YFites
You have no idea...
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A friend of mine told me...
I heard it from a woman who heard it from a man who heard it from a sailor who heard it in Japan.
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HN's friend is very well respected in certain circles.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tegal]The donut king?
[QUOTE=Tegal]The donut king?
Ha!! Saw what you did there.Nice one. He gets a round everywhere that guy I bet.Would have plenty of dough too I'm guessing...
Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!
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I certainly don't support "Yellow Fever" seeking a meeting with Terry Serepisos, and neither do most, if not all, of your YF moderator colleagues based here in Wellington.
I simply don't believe that Terry will say anything privately that he hasn't been saying publicly for months, especially not to anyone associated with this forum.[/QUOTE]
It was getting increasingly difficult to know what any of the YF mods in Wgtn thought of the situation as most of their comments on here up to recently had been about tall poppies, and fictional buyers. HN finally came on here towards the end of last week and gave his opinion of the situation and that made things clearer. As JD said at the time, he didn't necessarily agree, but it was good to get some feedback.
With regards to Terry not saying anything to the forum (especially to the forum), he was the guy who rang Smithy a few months ago to discuss the situation. I think he will be open to the meeting, and if he isn't I do not believe it is going to cause a massive problem - see my next point.
Given everything that he has put into the Phoenix so far I also think it is downright rude to effectively say "we don't believe what you're telling us, open your books". I know you will disagree on this point.
So far, from what I have seen, Terry has said very little on the situation apart from the WGA loan. I think that if someone asked for a meeting to discuss the club's situation should this loan not eventuate (which seems very likely at the moment), it is not going to make him burst into tears. He is a big boy who works in a grown up world so I am sure that he will be fine with this.
Also, to other comments on here that previously about disclosing details on the forum from a meeting with Terry that will just end up in the press, nothing specific needs to be posted on here. If Smithy, HN, 2nd Best, Feverish, etc, had a meeting with Terry, where he outlined a plan to maintain the club through the season with proper staff, etc without the WGA loan, that is all they need to post on here. They will know some of the specific detail, but they are honest people who know it is in the best interests of the club to keep this information close to their chests. For the rest of us, knowing that they have genuinely been convinced will be enough information and we can sleep easier about the club's future.
[QUOTE=terminator_x]If an individual wants to hit him up with some questions, however, and thinks they can get a meaningful response, then good luck to them. Just don't pretend to be representing all Phoenix fans.
The statement that I "criticise almost everything any journo reporting on the story says as biased, factually incorrect, unimportant" is also an exagerration. I certainly don't appreciate the way Dave Burgess and Matt Nippert have generally reported on this story, but they are both tabloid style hacks who in the UK would be working for red-tops. On the other hand I was recently complimentary about a Terry Serepisos story written by the Dom Post business desk which was balanced, factual and free of "Phoenix are doomed" spin. Long may that continue.
It seems everyone here believes that I am trying to create a witch-hunt against Terry, which is not true. I love Terry for what he did in creating the club and would love for him to be in a position to remain running it, but my first priority is the continuation of the club.
All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight
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HN's friend is very well respected in certain circles.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tegal]The donut king?
Ha!! Saw what you did there.Nice one. He gets a round everywhere that guy I bet.Would have plenty of dough too I'm guessing...
[QUOTE=Tegal]The donut king?
The glazer family?
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