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Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 1)

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But the issue is that it didn't bother Tony Warner or Dani Sanchez. But we can just explain them away by saying "they must not be very good".

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But what other clubs are wanting Warner and Sanchez? Sanchez looks desperate (why would he hang around with us otherwise) and Warner was obviously convinced by Ifill. Scottishbhoy2011-08-30 11:17:26

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Doloras wrote:
But the issue is that it didn't bother Tony Warner or Dani Sanchez. But we can just explain them away by saying "they must not be very good".

It won't bother every player, some may see it as a risk well worth taking others less so.

IMO Paul Ifill's good word would have dispelled any doubts Tony may have had. Because of their pre-existing relationship Tony would have had some trust in the Phoenix.

Dani seems all but signed, which is good as continuing to sign players will counter 'doom and gloom' reports other players may get.
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Scottishbhoy wrote:
Sanchez looks desperate (why would he hang around with us otherwise)


You see, that's precisely the circular negative thinking I'm complaining about. "We suck because we can't attract good players. Therefore any players we attract must suck."

Alternative interpretation: Terry's money worries aren't actually terrifying for professional footballers; Mehmet wasn't good enough; Ritgers wanted stupid amounts of money.

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Jitters at the Phoenix
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=203609

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
Jitters at the Phoenix
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=203609


Rubbish article where they had obviously decided the headline before they did any research!

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Doloras wrote:
Scottishbhoy wrote:
Sanchez looks desperate (why would he hang around with us otherwise)


You see, that's precisely the circular negative thinking I'm complaining about. "We suck because we can't attract good players. Therefore any players we attract must suck."

Alternative interpretation: Terry's money worries aren't actually terrifying for professional footballers; Mehmet wasn't good enough; Ritgers wanted stupid amounts of money.


We've missed a trick with Mehmet. Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to hang around. The club is hardly going to say he didn't like us due to our money problems and an owner who is bankrupt.

Wonder what we offered Ritgers. Maybe a slice of the 100 million WGA loan?

You're foolish to think that bad press and publicity isn't going to affect our recruitment drive.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Doloras wrote:
Scottishbhoy wrote:
Jitters at the Phoenix
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=203609[/QUOTE]

Rubbish article where they had obviously decided the headline before they did any research!

If you listen to the audio:

[quote="Nathan Greenham"]There is a certain amount of anxiety and nervousness as there has been for a few months now to be honest with you about the capability of being able to run the football club as well as manage his other businesses.
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Scottishbhoy wrote:

You're foolish to think that bad press and publicity isn't going to affect our recruitment drive.


You see, no-one's ever offered any evidence of that apart from their own presuppositions.

And you seem to be the only person here who saw Mehmet in action and was impressed.

(Rest of post deleted because angry ranting is not actually improving the positivity levels around here. Sorry.)Doloras2011-08-30 11:47:32

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I LOVE YOU NEWSY

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Doloras wrote:
I LOVE YOU NEWSY

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Enough, with all this ANGST!! 

 
 
Let's have some Happy Talk!!!
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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OK will do.
The Arse got 8 put past them
:)
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Hard News wrote:
I continue believing that is Hope Solo saying that to me...

I think the best you can Hope for is a Solo.

Its no longer a problem.

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Corkster wrote:
OK will do.
The Arse got 8 put past them
:)
 
 
Nice!!
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Smithy wrote:
nightz wrote:
Smithy wrote:
ballane wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
Great member title Ballane! [/QUOTE]Shame the rest of us arnt able to label other members isnt it.But then that pretty much says a lot about things around here.


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You and Nightz should start your own forum.�

Now there's a good idea. At least we wouldnt ban everyone who made sense


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The last time you made sense was:

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[quote=nightz] 15 Jun 2011 at 12:16pm: Totally agree with
Smithy...


Nah,that was just the last time you didn't make sense....

Allegedly

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Doloras wrote:
I still want to know the evidence all you guys have for "the reason we haven't recruited any superstars is because they've been reading bad things about our owner's finances". You talk like it's obvious, but it's not, unless you can actually read Maceo Ritgers' mind. Perhaps some of you who still live in Welly might not realise it, but if a classy European player was going to come and play in the A-League for lifestyle reasons, a small town of 400,000 people with limited shopping and notoriously awful weather is not a great drawcard. (We should really be grateful for what we have - Iffy, Sanchez, Warner, etc.)

No, what's really happened is that you guys have lost all faith in the Nix because of the negative stories in the Doom Post and the NBR, and you assume that everyone else in the world has as well. That's what child psychologists call "absence of theory of mind".

I'm with T-X. I think we've got a good squad and we'll probably make the finals again and I'm going to appreciate my team while we still have them. Terry selling up at this point would only disrupt things worse. I think it's absolutely borderline intellectually disabled to be discussing ownership changes between now and the end of the season. (At that point, all bets are off.)
Blackpool, Bolton, blackburn, Wigan, Burnley,
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Doloras wrote:
TouchMe wrote:

FFA should step in and offer out the liscence to the NIX, and say to Terry, you have 2 months to sort out this mess or we got with an interested party. [/quote]

But the FFA really, really like Terry. They consider him one of the best owners. If you don't get why that is then you can't really grasp the issues involved here.

if Terry really valued the club, its name, the players and the sport he would not let it die a slow death which is what i fear may happen.


Fears aren't facts.

[quote]NZ only support winning teams,


If the continued existence of the Nix depends on us winning the toilet seat, then either we get Clive Palmer to buy us or we give up now.
And where do you get that information from? The Dom post perhaps?
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Napier Phoenix wrote:
And where do you get that information from? The Dom post perhaps?


Michael Cockerill in the SMH, actually. I'm also pretty sure that if the FFA weren't happy with Terry they would have got in contact with a White Knight himself and yanked the licence when Terry first ran into grief.

Also, Blackpool FC's wages bill for a week is like the Phoenix's for a year.Doloras2011-08-30 14:36:17

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Didn't you see what I did there?
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Napier Phoenix wrote:
Doloras wrote:
I still want to know the evidence all you guys have for "the reason we haven't recruited any superstars is because they've been reading bad things about our owner's finances". You talk like it's obvious, but it's not, unless you can actually read Maceo Ritgers' mind. Perhaps some of you who still live in Welly might not realise it, but if a classy European player was going to come and play in the A-League for lifestyle reasons, a small town of 400,000 people with limited shopping and notoriously awful weather is not a great drawcard. (We should really be grateful for what we have - Iffy, Sanchez, Warner, etc.)

No, what's really happened is that you guys have lost all faith in the Nix because of the negative stories in the Doom Post and the NBR, and you assume that everyone else in the world has as well. That's what child psychologists call "absence of theory of mind".

I'm with T-X. I think we've got a good squad and we'll probably make the finals again and I'm going to appreciate my team while we still have them. Terry selling up at this point would only disrupt things worse. I think it's absolutely borderline intellectually disabled to be discussing ownership changes between now and the end of the season. (At that point, all bets are off.)
 
Blackpool, Bolton, blackburn, Wigan, Burnley,
 
Which are all basically suburbs of Manchester. Blackpool is the furthest away - about an hours drive, so not really the same as coming out to New Zealand.
 
Doloras has a point - NZ is a long, long way to come for a pro contract and there are others like Chris Shuker who have already been put off by the distance.
 
I honestly don't think that Terry's financial position will be a major factor in a lot of players thinking. It's a reality of professional football worldwide that there are lots of clubs struggling financially and lots of 2nd and 3rd tier pros desperate enough for a contract to take the risk on signing with them. We only got Danny Vukovich because he'd been stitched up in Turkey, same thing happened to Billy Mehmet. 
 

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I should also point out that, for example, Racing Santander have been able to retain players and recruit, and their owner is... er, well, I don't even need to finish the sentence. At least Terry is not going to go to jail any time soon.

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And just to provide a bit more context to the perception of financial crisis at the Nix, this is what players looking for a contract in Spain are currently facing, where six La Liga sides and half of the 22 second tier clubs are currently in administration.
 
 

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It's obvious, really. Relocate the Nix to the most liveable city in NZ, which also happens to rank #10 in the world. 
 
[News} 
Melbourne has vaulted Vancouver to become the best city in the world to live, according to the latest Economist Intelligence Unit�s Global Liveability Survey.

Country     City           Rank    Overall Rating (100=ideal)

Australia    Melbourne      1       97.5
Austria      Vienna            2       97.4
Canada     Vancouver      3       97.3
Canada     Toronto          4       97.2
Canada     Calgary           5      96.6
Australia   Sydney            6      96.1
Finland      Helsinki            7       96.0
Australia   Perth                8       95.9
Australia   Adelaide           8       95.9
NZ            Auckland       10     95.7

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scribbler wrote:
It's obvious, really. Relocate the Nix to the most liveable city in NZ, which also happens to rank #10 in the world. 
 
[News} 
Melbourne has vaulted Vancouver to become the best city in the world to live, according to the latest Economist Intelligence Unit�s Global Liveability Survey.

Country     City           Rank    Overall Rating (100=ideal)

Australia    Melbourne      1       97.5
Austria      Vienna            2       97.4
Canada     Vancouver      3       97.3
Canada     Toronto          4       97.2
Canada     Calgary           5      96.6
Australia   Sydney            6      96.1
Finland      Helsinki            7       96.0
Australia   Perth                8       95.9
Australia   Adelaide           8       95.9
NZ            Auckland       10     95.7



Sorry chum. As I said in a previous post.......(paraphrasing slightly)
Save up.
Get your own.
Sod off.

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
Scottishbhoy wrote:
Sanchez looks desperate (why would he hang around with us otherwise)

We've missed a trick with Mehmet. Wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to hang around. The club is hardly going to say he didn't like us due to our money problems and an owner who is bankrupt.

Wonder what we offered Ritgers. Maybe a slice of the 100 million WGA loan?

You're foolish to think that bad press and publicity isn't going to affect our recruitment drive.


Once again you come up with your own wild speculations and interpretations about what happened without knowing the facts. We dont have a bankrupt owner by the way, you couldnt even get that right.


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Grandadi wrote:
scribbler wrote:
It's obvious, really. Relocate the Nix to the most liveable city in NZ, which also happens to rank #10 in the world. 
 
[News} 
Melbourne has vaulted Vancouver to become the best city in the world to live, according to the latest Economist Intelligence Unit�s Global Liveability Survey.

Country     City           Rank    Overall Rating (100=ideal)

Australia    Melbourne      1       97.5
Austria      Vienna            2       97.4
Canada     Vancouver      3       97.3
Canada     Toronto          4       97.2
Canada     Calgary           5      96.6
Australia   Sydney            6      96.1
Finland      Helsinki            7       96.0
Australia   Perth                8       95.9
Australia   Adelaide           8       95.9
NZ            Auckland       10     95.7



Sorry chum. As I said in a previous post.......(paraphrasing slightly)
Save up.
Get your own.
Sod off.


https://travel.msn.co.nz/airlines/news/8116297/wellington-coolest-little-capital-in-the-world

4th best city bests 10th best. boom.

(p.s. that was more for scribbler)
Christo2011-08-30 18:57:27
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scribbler wrote:
Melbourne has vaulted Vancouver to become the best city in the world to live, according to the latest Economist Intelligence Unit�s Global Liveability Survey.


I think I've found the flaw in your data.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Doloras wrote:
Scottishbhoy wrote:

You're foolish to think that bad press and publicity isn't going to affect our recruitment drive.


You see, no-one's ever offered any evidence of that apart from their own presuppositions.

And you seem to be the only person here who saw Mehmet in action and was impressed.

(Rest of post deleted because angry ranting is not actually improving the positivity levels around here. Sorry.)
 
Mehmet clearly has more pedigree than Sanchez and I'd definitely say he's a better player. He might've not been great in the short time he was here, but how many minutes was he actually given? 45 minutes against Brisbane stuck up front on his own and he had a single half chance. Otherwise the ball was punted in his general direction and he was expected to work miracles (funnily enough the same tactics we employ week in, week out with Ifill and whoever else is up front).
 
So Mehmet gets about 90 minutes or so overall, but how many does Sanchez get?
 
As for the evidence you asked for about us not signing 'superstars' because of the financial situation - erm, how about the fact we haven't signed anybody that could be considered even close to a 'superstar'??
 
Citing a 37 year old goalkeeper who has been sitting on the bench for most of his career, and a trialist who hasn't even signed yet is your evidence that things are ok?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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When have we ever signed a superstar?

Aside from George obviously.

Allegedly

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Tegal wrote:
When have we ever signed a superstar?

Aside from George obviously.
 
It was Doloras who used that word, hence my inverted commas. Nobody else has spoken of superstars but I am talking about players of the calibre of Ifill, Durante, McKain, Fred, Smeltz etc. 'Stars' at this level at least. As far as I can see we've lost a few such players and they have not been adequately replaced. At this point we're not even looking at players who we are confident to sign without them have a trial first. Or at least we don't appear to be - the evidence being that none have appeared as yet.
 
There is 5 weeks of a 6 month pre season left and I am extremely worried about the state of the squad. That's all there is to it really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Ah I see.

You do say this at the start of every season mind you

Allegedly

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scribbler wrote:
It's obvious, really. Relocate the Nix to the most liveable city in NZ, which also happens to rank #10 in the world. 
 
[News} 
Melbourne has vaulted Vancouver to become the best city in the world to live, according to the latest Economist Intelligence Unit�s Global Liveability Survey.

Country     City           Rank    Overall Rating (100=ideal)

Australia    Melbourne      1       97.5
Austria      Vienna            2       97.4
Canada     Vancouver      3       97.3
Canada     Toronto          4       97.2
Canada     Calgary           5      96.6
Australia   Sydney            6      96.1
Finland      Helsinki            7       96.0
Australia   Perth                8       95.9
Australia   Adelaide           8       95.9
NZ            Auckland       10     95.7



I presume Melbourne lost 2.5 points just for being a bit stabby.

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Tegal wrote:
Ah I see.

You do say this at the start of every season mind you
 
Not entirely sure that's true, but you can't deny this squad is worse than either of those we've started the last two seasons with?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Smithy wrote:
ballane wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
Great member title Ballane!
Shame the rest of us arnt able to label other members isnt it.But then that pretty much says a lot about things around here.
 
You and Nightz should start your own forum. 
What for expressing a view thats different from the party line.Pretty disapointing response frankly,but to be honest didnt really expect much different.
Seems at times if you express a line thats different from you guys you have to take shot.Seems its much preferred if you abuse the shyte out of everyone and post bucket loads of smut.
As i said disappointed in the response.

End of the bloody day I will have paid for my season pass and will  be at the stadium for our 1st home game to continue having proudly been there for EVERY home game.
Having my 5th season of membership should mean im able to express views that my differ from the inner sanctum.

But then again probably not.

Was fun after having been one of the first to sign up to YF is disappointing to see that most of those who enjoy the benifits seem to scared to bite the hand that feeds.

Spot some of you at the stadium.

I await to read only the angst as the season goes by.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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ballache wrote:
 
Junior82 wrote:
Great member title Ballache!
Seems its much preferred if you abuse the shyte out of everyone and post bucket loads of smut.
 
 
Now you've got the hang of it, dont forget to be immature as well 
Kiwi Hatter2011-08-30 20:25:33

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And this is our Home

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Smut? Have I been missing something?
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Kiwi Hatter wrote:
ballache wrote:
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Junior82 wrote:
Great member title Ballache!
Seems its much preferred if you abuse the shyte out of everyone and post bucket loads of smut.

Now you've got the hang of it, dont forget to be immature as well�


*snigger muchly*

Oh wow! very heavy Mr Angry. Boomshanka, Boomshanka!

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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