Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA

I know the topic has long passed, but wouldn't it be great to build a 15000 rectangular seater beside the caketin for the Nix and Hurricanes and any other team. Could be run by the same staff that run westpac.

Where exactly ? On the train tracks ? 

Have a look at a map sunshine

 Not many tracks just north of the stadium: https://maps.google.co.nz/?ll=-41.271727,174.785721&spn=0.002778,0.006539&t=h&z=18

Build a rectangular pitch just north, can also be a training field.

 He really is a terrible journo.

 He really is a terrible journo.

Sorry Patrick, that's just bang out of order.  I know Sam well, he plays, watches and supports football.  The idea that he is biased against the Phoenix is just a joke.

His piece on the Phoenix today - "What's going on with the Phoenix?" -  is about the most coherent thing anyone has written on the subject.

If the Phoenix knew how to manage the club the venue change story would have been a non - issue.  Instead they refuse to comment and it gets fueled - that's not bad journalism, that's just incredibly bad PR management.  Right now we're just a comedy outfit and blaming the dom post is just part of that - it's just weak.  If you don't like the stories, start getting on top of the message.  The club is an absolute rabble right now, on and off the pitch.

And as for forums being a source of quotes - twitter has for a long time been an accepted source for stories.  I really don't see how on here is much different.  People write on here knowing they are airing their views publicly - I don't see why you get precious about that.

Think was the Kilbirnie type venue and was meant to be over the concourse, rather than 15,000 outdoor.  The logical spot for an outdoor is across the road from the stadium where the logs are and a new log depot to go North of the ferry terminal.  That move has already been mooted a number of times, albeit without the stadium.  However no one is going to support that while they all have an investment in Westpac.

What it needs is Westpac to be flattened by a VERY localised earthquake or a run away train so you can build a 35k rectangular stadium with a 15k lower tier for smaller crowds.

Think was the Kilbirnie type venue and was meant to be over the concourse, rather than 15,000 outdoor.  The logical spot for an outdoor is across the road from the stadium where the logs are and a new log depot to go North of the ferry terminal.  That move has already been mooted a number of times, albeit without the stadium.  However no one is going to support that while they all have an investment in Westpac.

What it needs is Westpac to be flattened by a VERY localised earthquake or a run away train so you can build a 35k rectangular stadium with a 15k lower tier for smaller crowds.

2) Disagree that twitter is acceptable. Sure if it is a famous person saying some, then fine. But picking out one post in a forum is lazy.  As you know there are a variety of views on here about all issues so surely one post doesn't reflect those views.

I didn't realise he also wrote the Whats Going On piece (which I enjoyed reading and thought was a well thought out piece), I thought he just wrote the Newtown Park piece. And you're right, I was in the wrong saying he is a terrible journo based on reading just one piece of his, I'll retract my statement and adjust it to saying it was a terrible article he wrote. My mistake, sorry. 

But I agree with Dale, there was no story to be written about the venue changed. I went and talked to Henry Tait at the Tee Dubs today and he laughed off the suggestions that Welnix were considering a move. All Boyer needed to do was talk to one of the owners and he would have learnt that the story he was going to run on the front page of the paper (and attach of photo of me to) was absolute codswallop. Oh wait, the reason he couldn't do that was because the Nix are shutting out Dom Post due to the large amount of negativity in their recent articles that are based on facts that are unresearched and incorrect. While this probably isn't Boyer's fault (and for the record I never said that he was biased against the Phoenix), it's the fault of the catalogue he works for.

You guys ever read or heard about the Earthquake machine Nikola Tesla built?

Two points:
1) There isn't a story about venue change. Sam thought he had an exclusive, wrote the piece based on what John Morrison said, and didn't get any comment from the nix.  That is poor.
2) Disagree that twitter is acceptable. Sure if it is a famous person saying some, then fine. But picking out one post in a forum is lazy.  As you know there are a variety of views on here about all issues so surely one post doesn't reflect those views.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/8228170/Morgan-plays-down-role-but-won-t-be-changing-style 

 Oh dear God almighty.

"I've had a s...load of hate mail," Morgan told the Star-Times on the phone from China, where he was attending a wedding. "A lot of it out of America, actually. Now I understand why those people shoot each other so much. God, they're mad."  

I particularly like the bit where he supported the racist Ian Smith regime in Rhodesia. Maybe AucklandNotALawyer is right,

 

"We don't have a PR department that massages all these things to make them nice and soft and Rob [Morrison, chairman] and I will communicate with the fans and public honestly and when necessary. We don't need to employ someone to learn lines,"

So... Gareth is making a virtue of having no media management?!?

"We don't have a PR department that massages all these things to make them nice and soft and Rob [Morrison, chairman] and I will communicate with the fans and public honestly and when necessary. We don't need to employ someone to learn lines,"

Never anywhere does it say that he gave the Phoenix a opportunity to respond. Never in the story does it say that the Phoenix's response was 'no comment'.

Like I say, the use of twitter is lazy journalism. End of. Just because others do, doesn't change that fact. Same with forums. It allows journalism to pick and choose their quotes without retaining any form of balance.

Incidentally, when do you last see a rugby article that include a comment from their forum?

Mariners teach big spenders a lesson in professionalism

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/mariners-teach-big-spenders-a-lesson-in-professionalism-20130126-2ddk1.html#ixzz2J8hEkCa7

The best compliment that can be handed to Central Coast Mariners - the little engine that could - is that they are predictable. That is, in terms of their results.

For the third year now under head coach Graham Arnold, it has become commonplace to look at the weekend results and find that the Mariners have won, or at least drawn. A more familiar uncertainty may be a part of life for fans of every team underneath the table-toppers but not for those of the Mariners.

They play well and win, and play poorly and get the result. Or they go behind and come back, as they did against the second-placed Adelaide United on Friday evening. Central Coast pretty much find a way to negotiate any type of game scenario, increasingly with any combination of players.

Where football results are concerned, consistency is the most elusive beast, regardless of the league. But with a budget that is dwarfed by other teams in the top half of the table, the ability of the Mariners to regularly overcome more illustrious, experienced and far more costly opponents is something to be admired - and copied.

In many respects, the Mariners have raised the bar of what it means to develop a professional football environment in Australia, where so much thinking, understanding and decision-making is still mired in amateurism - certainly technically.

Even as the club continues to set the pace nationally, resources have been scarce, most particularly in the past season, when new investors were not forthcoming. Yet the Mariners technical staff have continued to work on and off the field to overcome their disadvantages, especially when compared to clubs with greater facilities and resources to throw around or, in most cases, throw away.

The Mariners' excellence draws into focus the exorbitant spending of their competitors, who must be deeply embarrassed to be beaten by an operation that exists on several million dollars less per year. If not, they damn well should be.

The A-League was started by people who wouldn't know a football if it hit them in the face and so too were most of the clubs. Strategy was almost non-existent, past lessons were overlooked and hundreds of millions of dollars were thrown at poor recruits and average coaches - all in the name of the personal ambition of people who just wanted to be involved in the game.

It will take another decade for clubs to professionalise to such an extent that a different degree of rigour, analysis, strategy and vision is applied to every football department.

Football will increasingly look to football for guidance, knowledge and answers. The Mariners have challenged every other club to look at their own accepted beliefs, often developed only from watching a few games on the box, without the decades of experience, study and application. In other words, there are still too many people with no idea about football making harmful decisions.

This actually helps the Mariners, who plug away every day doing the right thing, working tactically, building a strong group, enforcing and enhancing rules and standards, turning the game from a fun pursuit (in which a few business people can get their jollies by hobnobbing with famous players and getting their name in the press) to a profession.

At the Mariners, players come to know what it means to be a footballer. Forget glamour, it's about daily grind, individual and group, accountability, and hours assessing opponents and preparing at length to neutralise their strengths and exploit their weaknesses.

In the early years of the league, both players and coaches struggled to adapt to the concept of professionalism but this is changing as more clubs learn what it takes to achieve success.

It is not about luck, but about work. Every day.

It was necessary and beneficial for Graham Arnold to develop and prove his competence and methods in the daily grind of a club environment, where he has excelled and grown in many respects. Privately and publicly.

For eight years we have had what was called a ''professional league'' simply by virtue of the full-time environment and financial rewards, yet much of it was still amateur. Thanks in no small part to the Mariners, the term professional can now apply.

Sorry Patrick, that's just bang out of order.  I know Sam well.  (Defending your mates)

And as for forums being a source of quotes - twitter has for a long time been an accepted source for stories.  I really don't see how on here is much different.  People write on here knowing they are airing their views publicly - I don't see why you get precious about that. (There are other points of view that didnt get reported, where is the balance)