I cannot believe that people are somehow turning this into an issue with the Dom Post.
I can believe it, unfortunately.
Others have posted exactly what Gareth is quoted as saying. The way it is very selectively presented in headlines and wording by the good old Doom Post is plainly in character with their usual rabble-rousing on topics they have a set editorial angle on. Bashing the nix is among their favourites. This isn't objective media reporting of the facts people! Don't be sucked in too easily. They (and many others)were chucking all the same sort of dirt around against the Black Caps - who I think may be returning a one-fingered salute about now.
Given all that though - clearly some serious media management is required at the Nix to balance the persistent negative spin that will be actively searched for on anything that happens, is said, or can be made up. Unfortunately they are being fed plenty of juicy fodder at the moment. It will pass.
But the really important thing is to be down there Sunday backing the Nix to beating Newcastle!
Yes.
Let's be clear - Gareth only said some people are pathetic and that a lot of them don't know much about the game.
He's still being a dick but let's not put words in his mouth. He didn't actually slag off all Phoenix fans.
True, but I would say that a fair few of us care about the league table, and are therefore 'pathetic'.
You're only pathetic in Gareth's eyes if you weren't happy with the on field product, even though results weren't that bad, and wanted a change but now that they are in the process of implementing a system which should improve the on field product you're are complaining about results.
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Disturbingly I agree with Frankie. Clearly there have been some issues lately with them but on this one Gareth has firmly lodged his feet in hiw own mouth.
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I cannot believe that people are somehow turning this into an issue with the Dom Post.
I can believe it, unfortunately.
I think those people haven't heard the audio of the interview. I'm usually one of the first people to bash the Dom Post, but in this case they are not the ones in the wrong.
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Others have posted exactly what Gareth is quoted as saying. The way it is very selectively presented in headlines and wording by the good old Doom Post is plainly in character with their usual rabble-rousing on topics they have a set editorial angle on. Bashing the nix is among their favourites. This isn't objective media reporting of the facts people! Don't be sucked in too easily. They (and many others)were chucking all the same sort of dirt around against the Black Caps - who I think may be returning a one-fingered salute about now.
Given all that though - clearly some serious media management is required at the Nix to balance the persistent negative spin that will be actively searched for on anything that happens, is said, or can be made up. Unfortunately they are being fed plenty of juicy fodder at the moment. It will pass.
But the really important thing is to be down there Sunday backing the Nix to beating Newcastle!
Yes.
Let's be clear - Gareth only said some people are pathetic and that a lot of them don't know much about the game.
He's still being a dick but let's not put words in his mouth. He didn't actually slag off all Phoenix fans.
True, but I would say that a fair few of us care about the league table, and are therefore 'pathetic'.
You're only pathetic in Gareth's eyes if you weren't happy with the on field product, even though results weren't that bad, and wanted a change but now that they are in the process of implementing a system which should improve the on field product your are complaining about results.
Question has to be asked though, WTF is he doing using the Words supoporters, Pathetic and unsophisticated in the same sentence. However you spin it, not rocket science (or investment management) that he should not be using these words to describe ANY nix fan
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I cannot believe that people are somehow turning this into an issue with the Dom Post.
I can believe it, unfortunately.
Their performance makes it pretty hard not to and they do have choices in how they chose to select and present what they get. To be fair its not just the nix - its not personal - they're just not generally noted for fair and balanced reporting over a whole range of issues - but shock-horror style certainly makes for good press. The nix has never been in the news so much (even during Terrygeddon). Lets just say their style is more Fox News than BBC.
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I am feeling seriously detached from this club right now....
Allegedly
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I cannot believe that people are somehow turning this into an issue with the Dom Post.
I can believe it, unfortunately.
Their performance makes it pretty hard not to and they do have choices in how they chose to select and present what they get. To be fair its not just the nix - its not personal - they're just not generally noted for fair and balanced reporting over a whole range of issues - but shock-horror style certainly makes for good press. The nix has never been in the news so much (even during Terrygeddon). Lets just say their style is more Fox News than BBC.
Oh I agree, but what has that got to do with results? if we were winning the DP could pretty much print what they like, we'd still be better off than now.
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I cannot believe that people are somehow turning this into an issue with the Dom Post.
I can believe it, unfortunately.
I think those people haven't heard the audio of the interview. I'm usually one of the first people to bash the Dom Post, but in this case they are not the ones in the wrong.
Yep - it would be good top get a link to that interview (sorry - missed it if was posted), to hear how the message was presented. Because looking at the DP article I really can't see why people are getting so upset at the actual quotes attributed to Gareth.
Oddly enough my real angst is similar to Ballane's - at what point do the Phoenix become the Greater Wgtn Phoenix.
"Phoenix till they lose"
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http://radiosport.co.nz/listen-on-demand/weekondemand/
Starts halfway through Thursday 7am (after the news) and continues on into 7.15am.
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
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From this:
http://content.radionetwork.co.nz/weekondemand/radiosport/50700.mp3
Into this:
http://content.radionetwork.co.nz/weekondemand/radiosport/50715.mp3
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http://radiosport.co.nz/listen-on-demand/weekondemand/
Starts halfway through Thursday 7am (after the news) and continues on into 7.15am.
Cheers, listening now @10:25
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I cannot believe that people are somehow turning this into an issue with the Dom Post.
I can believe it, unfortunately.
I think those people haven't heard the audio of the interview. I'm usually one of the first people to bash the Dom Post, but in this case they are not the ones in the wrong.
Yep - it would be good top get a link to that interview (sorry - missed it if was posted), to hear how the message was presented. Because looking at the DP article I really can't see why people are getting so upset at the actual quotes attributed to Gareth.
Oddly enough my real angst is similar to Ballane's - at what point do the Phoenix become the Greater Wgtn Phoenix.
Do you think Gareth's comments will
a) encourage people to come along and watch the Phoenix, or
b) discourage them, and result in less people coming that would have otherwise, and also result in people, like Tegal posted above, feeling detached from the club.
If you answered, b), I think you'll see what the problem is.
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Too late for a banner change?
"Pathetic?"
Na, I'm all for having a jab at Gareth but the banner has to be a statement of unequivocal support for the players. There's a time and a place for all the other stuff and the banner is not it.
Edit: Not actually sure if yours was a serious suggestion Tegal, but there's my ten cents worth anyway. Ha.
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Too late for a banner change?
"Pathetic?"
Na, I'm all for having a jab at Gareth but the banner has to be a statement of unequivocal support for the players. There's a time and a place for all the other stuff and the banner is not it.
Edit: Not actually sure if yours was a serious suggestion Tegal, but there's my ten cents worth anyway. Ha.
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Too late for a banner change?
"Pathetic?"
Na, I'm all for having a jab at Gareth but the banner has to be a statement of unequivocal support for the players. There's a time and a place for all the other stuff and the banner is not it.
Agree.
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He also said he could live with us not making the playoffs.
Allegedly
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He also said he could live with us not making the playoffs.
Don't worry we'll make them in 2021, if all goes to plan. Just be patient for Chissakes!
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I cannot believe that people are somehow turning this into an issue with the Dom Post.
I can believe it, unfortunately.
I think those people haven't heard the audio of the interview. I'm usually one of the first people to bash the Dom Post, but in this case they are not the ones in the wrong.
Yep - it would be good top get a link to that interview (sorry - missed it if was posted), to hear how the message was presented. Because looking at the DP article I really can't see why people are getting so upset at the actual quotes attributed to Gareth.
Oddly enough my real angst is similar to Ballane's - at what point do the Phoenix become the Greater Wgtn Phoenix.
Do you think Gareth's comments will
a) encourage people to come along and watch the Phoenix, or
b) discourage them, and result in less people coming that would have otherwise, and also result in people, like Tegal posted above, feeling detached from the club.
If you answered, b), I think you'll see what the problem is.
I've already posted much earlier how detached I am from the club (not the team) this season. Gareth's comments are his and he acknowledges that he hasn't talked to the other owners.
Chotey's comments (and News') are spot on I think.
Do you think that those supporters (not fans) that follow a club based on it's position on a league table are pathetic?
"Phoenix till they lose"
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I cannot believe that people are somehow turning this into an issue with the Dom Post.
I can believe it, unfortunately.
I think those people haven't heard the audio of the interview. I'm usually one of the first people to bash the Dom Post, but in this case they are not the ones in the wrong.
Yep - it would be good top get a link to that interview (sorry - missed it if was posted), to hear how the message was presented. Because looking at the DP article I really can't see why people are getting so upset at the actual quotes attributed to Gareth.
Oddly enough my real angst is similar to Ballane's - at what point do the Phoenix become the Greater Wgtn Phoenix.
Do you think Gareth's comments will
a) encourage people to come along and watch the Phoenix, or
b) discourage them, and result in less people coming that would have otherwise, and also result in people, like Tegal posted above, feeling detached from the club.
If you answered, b), I think you'll see what the problem is.
I've already posted much earlier how detached I am from the club (not the team) this season. Gareth's comments are his and he acknowledges that he hasn't talked to the other owners.
Chotey's comments (and News') are spot on I think.
Do you think that those supporters (not fans) that follow a club based on it's position on a league table are pathetic?
They are if they don't care either way.
But you're missing my point, which is about damage to the club, not about being butthurt. I'm mad about the damage Gareth is doing, not that I, personally, have been labelled "pathetic", whether or not this is true. Your argument seems to be that no-one should care about the comments; shouldn't and won't are two different things. People obviously do care about them.
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Does it also mean the players are pathetic for looking at the league table this season? I'm sure some of them will hear those comments and be annoyed. The anonymous player who spoke up during the meeting saying "we won't all be here in 5 years" springs to mind. Who wants to play for a club that doesn't have any interest in winning the league?
Allegedly
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He also said he could live with us not making the playoffs.
Don't worry we'll make them in 2021, if all goes to plan. Just be patient for Chissakes!
So if we don't make the play-offs are you all going to stop going to games?
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Does it also mean the players are pathetic for looking at the league table this season? I'm sure some of them will hear those comments and be annoyed. The anonymous player who spoke up during the meeting saying "we won't all be here in 5 years" springs to mind. Who wants to play for a club that doesn't have any interest in winning the league?
The players and how they are managed are a separate issue (and I suspect that there are some REAL problems here).
This owner vs fans thing is a media distraction.
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MO or not nJ82 it's hurting the club by insulting the fans that have been through thick and thin with the club - was Gareth around when Terry was struggling, no we were! Was gareth around when we finished last in the first season, no we were! Gareth was probably sitting around watching rugby thinking not even thinking about football or the nix, I doubt he has ever attending a a game before this season.
Why should you or most of the people here feel insulted?
It's quite clear from many of the in-depth posts that most of us have been following footy for years/decades and know more about long-term success and football styles (Chelski and Woolwich supporters are maybe the exception although the latter are starting to appreciate this after 7 years).
I'm not insulted. I'm hugely disappointed and disillusioned that the person at the helm of the Club holds the supporters in such obvious disdain and obviously has no appreciation of what football, and being a supporter, is all about.
I'm not naive enough to think that all Club chairmen are all about the fans and fonts of knowledge on all things football, but they at least keep their views pretty much to themselves.
A good post that got lost a few pages back.
'This'
Allegedly
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I cannot believe that people are somehow turning this into an issue with the Dom Post.
I can believe it, unfortunately.
I think those people haven't heard the audio of the interview. I'm usually one of the first people to bash the Dom Post, but in this case they are not the ones in the wrong.
Yep - it would be good top get a link to that interview (sorry - missed it if was posted), to hear how the message was presented. Because looking at the DP article I really can't see why people are getting so upset at the actual quotes attributed to Gareth.
Oddly enough my real angst is similar to Ballane's - at what point do the Phoenix become the Greater Wgtn Phoenix.
Do you think Gareth's comments will
a) encourage people to come along and watch the Phoenix, or
b) discourage them, and result in less people coming that would have otherwise, and also result in people, like Tegal posted above, feeling detached from the club.
If you answered, b), I think you'll see what the problem is.
I've already posted much earlier how detached I am from the club (not the team) this season. Gareth's comments are his and he acknowledges that he hasn't talked to the other owners.
Chotey's comments (and News') are spot on I think.
Do you think that those supporters (not fans) that follow a club based on it's position on a league table are pathetic?
They are if they don't care either way.
Which means that everyone is pathetic. If so what's the problem?
"Phoenix till they lose"
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Wtf Gareth!!!! I don't have time to register my disgust fully but seriously how does it help the club to insult the fans? As though we shouldn't be disappointed in 4 straight losses! I don't expect instant results but I don't expect to lose every game either.
From the outside the club seems terribly mismanaged and the players seem in disarray. Is he oblivious to this?
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He also said he could live with us not making the playoffs.
Don't worry we'll make them in 2021, if all goes to plan. Just be patient for Chissakes!
So if we don't make the play-offs are you all going to stop going to games?
Of course! I'm Phoenix til we lose!!! HAHAHAHAAHAA
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Phoenix till they lose.
note the different nuance.
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I cannot believe that people are somehow turning this into an issue with the Dom Post.
I can believe it, unfortunately.
I think those people haven't heard the audio of the interview. I'm usually one of the first people to bash the Dom Post, but in this case they are not the ones in the wrong.
Yep - it would be good top get a link to that interview (sorry - missed it if was posted), to hear how the message was presented. Because looking at the DP article I really can't see why people are getting so upset at the actual quotes attributed to Gareth.
Oddly enough my real angst is similar to Ballane's - at what point do the Phoenix become the Greater Wgtn Phoenix.
Do you think Gareth's comments will
a) encourage people to come along and watch the Phoenix, or
b) discourage them, and result in less people coming that would have otherwise, and also result in people, like Tegal posted above, feeling detached from the club.
If you answered, b), I think you'll see what the problem is.
I've already posted much earlier how detached I am from the club (not the team) this season. Gareth's comments are his and he acknowledges that he hasn't talked to the other owners.
Chotey's comments (and News') are spot on I think.
Do you think that those supporters (not fans) that follow a club based on it's position on a league table are pathetic?
They are if they don't care either way.
Which means that everyone is pathetic. If so what's the problem?
there's no problem, obviously. You've told us all so. We're so silly!
I like tautologies because I like them.
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I cannot believe that people are somehow turning this into an issue with the Dom Post.
I can believe it, unfortunately.
I think those people haven't heard the audio of the interview. I'm usually one of the first people to bash the Dom Post, but in this case they are not the ones in the wrong.
Yep - it would be good top get a link to that interview (sorry - missed it if was posted), to hear how the message was presented. Because looking at the DP article I really can't see why people are getting so upset at the actual quotes attributed to Gareth.
Oddly enough my real angst is similar to Ballane's - at what point do the Phoenix become the Greater Wgtn Phoenix.
Do you think Gareth's comments will
a) encourage people to come along and watch the Phoenix, or
b) discourage them, and result in less people coming that would have otherwise, and also result in people, like Tegal posted above, feeling detached from the club.
If you answered, b), I think you'll see what the problem is.
I've already posted much earlier how detached I am from the club (not the team) this season. Gareth's comments are his and he acknowledges that he hasn't talked to the other owners.
Chotey's comments (and News') are spot on I think.
Do you think that those supporters (not fans) that follow a club based on it's position on a league table are pathetic?
They are if they don't care either way.
Which means that everyone is pathetic. If so what's the problem?
there's no problem, obviously. You've told us all so. We're so silly!
I'm not saying anyone is silly.
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I'm sure Gareth checks the table all the time and he's admitted himself that he's not overly knowledgeable on football. The chairman came out as saying they want results on the football field pretty much each week.
That could possibly mean Gareth was calling himself pathetic and unsophisticated.
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I would think that all the players would be aiming to do right now is get off the bottom of the table. Does that make them pathetic too?
Were we pathetic last season when we were hoping we could come in the top 2, and then when we were hoping we could steal third place off Perth in our final game of the season?
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Do u love the Nix?..if "yes" go to the match.
Do u love cats and want to own one(well at least 5) all your life?...if "yes" maybe dont go to match as a one off protest but watch on TV.
If "no" go to match and if you drive to the match, dont swerve when a cat crosses your path.
Do u love Nix more than cats? ..if "yes" go to match and avoid any cats in your way.
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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Just wondering what everyone having a moan about Gareth would prefer? Because I doubt there would be any A-league in NZ without him and the rest of the Welnix.
His timing and use of words was pretty poor but his points are pretty fair, he's pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars into the club and all he's getting is bitching and moaning in return.
The way I see it the facts are:
- The Nix have almost always played atrocious football so they are trying to improve that. I for one welcome the change, and accept it may take longer than hoped. I was at my wits end with their performances at the beginning of the season despite being in and around 6th place.
- They are building a youth system that will greatly benefit NZ football in the long run and we are already seeing the emergence of some young Kiwi talent for which there was never a pathway before (bar one or 2 lucky ones Rojas, Kosta etc)
- They are trying their best to get the club to the point where it is self sufficient and doesn’t lose money, If they fail then eventually there will be no A league in NZ, as no one wants to run a money losing business forever.
- I also don’t get all the angst about taking (max 3-4) games on the road, seems to me that a lot of people miss the point that they were just lucky Welly got the license over anywhere else in NZ, a great football culture has emerged but that’s not to say that Welly has the monopoly on football support in NZ, I certainly don’t see anyone complaining when thousands of people all round the country buy merchandise and travel to Welly for home games. And again the alternative may be that the game is no longer viable in NZ.
All this bagging of Gareth and threatening to pull season ticket membership seems counter productive as all that will happen is you'll lose the nix all together.
I have been despairing over what has happened this season but got to the point now where I'm willing to just accept that teams have bad seasons and just get on with supporting and appreciating the fact I have a team to support on the weekend and debate and discuss during the week.
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Does it also mean the players are pathetic for looking at the league table this season? I'm sure some of them will hear those comments and be annoyed. The anonymous player who spoke up during the meeting saying "we won't all be here in 5 years" springs to mind. Who wants to play for a club that doesn't have any interest in winning the league?
Isn't that the point that Gareth is making, that the club needs to make a change if they are to reach a level yet obtained by the Phoenix. Ricki is firmly behind the implementation of a new system (as are the owners) and if it is to have any success everyone needs to buy into it and give it time.
The club needs someone else to be the touch point between stakeholders and media, Gareth is not considered enough with his language.
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there's no problem, obviously. You've told us all so. We're so silly!
I'm not saying anyone is silly.
Actually I do think that there are a couple of posters who are silly (you're not one of them).
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