Phoenix to move to Auckland (maybe)

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

!!!!!!!! You can already go and watch TW play ACFC - FOOTBALL ACCESIBLE TO ALL. Whay wait for two teams in an Aussie league??

BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT TEAM WELLINGTON OR AUCKLAND CITY! Its about the Phoenix!!

I'm an optimistic pessimist.

I'm positive things will go wrong.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

alireggae wrote:

Oh dear - this thread is both amusing and anger inducing in equal measures.

Wellintonians - go and watch Team Wellington. Aucklanders - go and watch City.

Football for everyone.

Tim - you hit the nail on the head that you wouldn't support an Auckland based Phoenix. Would you then watch TW or just miss out altogether. The Phoenix benefits a minority of the population. The ASBP benefits the majority.

The talk isn't about Team Wellington or Auckland City though! You would hope they get support. But this isn't about Team Wellington moving to Auckland. This is about the Nix and Auckland wanting them again.

Sure but all you 'Nix fans keep banging on about sour grapes at AKL losing the A-League franchise and hypocritically all I'm getting from this thread is a strong wiff of sour grapes at a mere hint of the Nix moving.

Yeah, I did think this too. Those that say they won't support the nix if they're in Auckland are

a little hypocritical

EXCEPT then i thought, most of the problem arising with you guys is your mudslinging toward the phoenix and NZ having a team in the A league, since you lost your A league team. THAT is sour grapes,and hypocritical for the most part as a lot of you went to kingz/knights games.

If that happens, then we'll talk. Until then,you can start knitting your own blue phoenix scarf in preperation.

Allegedly

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

Turfmoore wrote:

Lets' see what happens.

BUT, in five years time when the rebranded struggling black & blue shirted Auckland-based New Zealand Nicks face the newly (re)formed yellow and black striped (just like the old days) FC WELLINGTON Phoenix in the opening game of the expansion season .... I WILL BE THERE!

F**k yeah!

!!!!!!!! You can already go and watch TW play ACFC - FOOTBALL ACCESIBLE TO ALL. Whay wait for two teams in an Aussie league??

Why not watch both?

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

if only I had the time...boy

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

japansplash wrote:

Being a living jaffa, well I only live here. Auckland should form there own team, leave Wellington alone and stop being greddy

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Auckland already have a team. Maybe go and check them out sometime.

They are not (or at least not supposed to be) professional teams. There is a slight difference in the skill levels when your players, and those they compete against, get paid and are able to train as a full time job.

[QUOTE=alireggae]

Auckland lost it's A-league franchise because there wasn't enough local support, a poor record, and no owners wanting anything to do with it. This (if it's true which is starting to sound unlikely) feels like it is being stolen in spite of being relatively well supported and successful.

rjmiller2011-05-31 13:30:52

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Maybe we 'Jaffas' should form our own A-League franchise.

If the Nix can survive Terryï¿½s troubles and stay in Wgton, we would have double the number of A-League games in this country.

There was a rumour floating around a while back that this was being contemplated. I think one of the Auckland clubs had visions of grandeur 2012. Yes?

scribbler2011-05-31 13:30:08

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Think AliReggae should get a timeout for constantly going off topic in threads to suit his own constant little argument.........Its getting tiresome.

Allegedly

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

alireggae wrote:

Turfmoore wrote:

!!!!!!!! You can already go and watch TW play ACFC - FOOTBALL ACCESIBLE TO ALL. Whay wait for two teams in an Aussie league??

Why not watch both?

Sure, but that's certainly not happening, is it? I don't know but I'd imaging average attendances at a nix game to be around 7-8K and I'm certain you're not getting that at TW games.

Auckland City FC

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Why the hell would you expect 8k at a TW game?

You're seriously deluded if you think that. Did Auckland city get 6000 after the kingz folded and people stopped turning up to the knights?

Get a grip on reality. There are always going to be casual fans turning up to professional sport,especially in Wellington. The trick is to convert some of those,which seems to be happening here anyway.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

No, and before the Phoenix existed, or the Knights, or the Kingz those averages were about the same. The Phoenix haven't stolen anything from the ASB Premiership it's at the same level it always was.

If the Phoenix disappear the change in the ASB Premiership would be minimal, but the coverage of the game, the people watching the game, and the level for New Zealand footballers to aspire to would collapse.

Of course, like all good knitting circle members you will blindly ignore this evidence.

Hard News2011-05-31 13:37:52

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

Sure, but that's certainly not happening, is it? I don't know but I'd imaging average attendances at a nix game to be around 7-8K and I'm certain you're not getting that at TW games.

While it would be nice, it isn't realistic...
You are comparing too different teams. Just because they are getting that numbers at Nix games doesn't mean that will translate to local team.

That is like all the people that go watch an English premier league (40-60,000 a game) should be turning up to watch their local team.

I'm an optimistic pessimist.

I'm positive things will go wrong.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Why the hell would you expect 8k at a TW game?

You're seriously deluded if you think that. Did Auckland city get 6000 after the kingz folded and people stopped turning up to the knights?

Why the hell not? If that number turn out for the Phoenix why should they not turn out for TW? It seems to me that NZers have no faith in themselves and are forever turning to outher countries for guidance. I thought this was the country with the DIY mentallity.

Auckland City FC

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Has anybody ever told you,you have a womans logic?

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Who do I feel like this same ground gets covered once every six months when someone new takes up knitting.

Hard News2011-05-31 13:48:50

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

[QUOTE=Tegal]Why the hell not? If that number turn out for the Phoenix why should they not turn out for TW? It seems to me that NZers have no faith in themselves and are forever turning to outher countries for guidance. I thought this was the country with the DIY mentallity.

Because they play at times that aren't as convenient as Nix games. Because they aren't well advertised of when they are. The skill level is different. You don't get to see some well known internationals.. Take your pick!
It would be nice if they did get the numbers, but you have been given the reasons why not and also given proof that the Kingz or Knights leaving didn't help the Auckland team either!

So back to the Phoenix not leaving Wellington

I'm an optimistic pessimist.

I'm positive things will go wrong.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Take my name out of that quote

I want nothing to do with it!

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Who do I feel like this same ground gets covered once every six months when someone new takes up knitting.

Six months?

Try everytime a new thread is started, no matter what the thread topic is.

Allegedly

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

alireggae wrote:

Sure, but that's certainly not happening, is it? I don't know but I'd imaging average attendances at a nix game to be around 7-8K and I'm certain you're not getting that at TW games.

Eh??? The EPL teams play in England. There's not one team in England playing in Spain. The last time I checked Man U played in Manchester against maybe Liverpool from Liverpool.

If you want an even better example try Scotland - there not that much more population there but it's local teams against local teams with good attendances.

Auckland City FC

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Explain Swansea and Cardiff then.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

Eh??? The EPL teams play in England. There's not one team in England playing in Spain. The last time I checked Man U played in Manchester against maybe Liverpool from Liverpool.

If you want an even better example try Scotland - there not that much more population there but it's local teams against local teams with good attendances.

So about those Phoenix eh....

Oh that's right, you don't want to start your own thread.. Sorry, my example wasn't perfect. But the logic is the same. You aren't going to get the same numbers that turn up to watch a Professional team, to turn up to watch the local team!!

I'm an optimistic pessimist.

I'm positive things will go wrong.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

alireggae wrote:

Eh??? The EPL teams play in England. There's not one team in England playing in Spain. The last time I checked Man U played in Manchester against maybe Liverpool from Liverpool.

If you want an even better example try Scotland - there not that much more population there but it's local teams against local teams with good attendances.

So utterly defeatest.

Auckland City FC

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

On another note. Why don't 1000s turn up to watch petone in the Central League? Bloody evil NZFC.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

So utterly defeatest.

So utterly Pointless.... arguing with you.

I'm an optimistic pessimist.

I'm positive things will go wrong.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Buffon II wrote:

Explain Swansea and Cardiff then.

Haha! That doesn't suit my argument.

Auckland City FC

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Buffon II wrote:

Explain Swansea and Cardiff then.

Same sovereign state

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

alireggae wrote:

So utterly defeatest.

So utterly Pointless.... arguing with you.

Yet so much fun since I'm the only one here with a different opinion.

Auckland City FC

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

Buffon II wrote:

Explain Swansea and Cardiff then.

Haha! That doesn't suit my argument.

Isn't your usual response just to ignore it and carry off on another tangent,then?

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Buffon II wrote:

Explain Swansea and Cardiff then.

Same sovereign state

Explain Vancouver in the MLS then.

Edit: Actually why are you arguing for Ali's side Bullion? You must know Wales have a league.Buffon II2011-05-31 14:02:34

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

alireggae wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

alireggae wrote:

So utterly defeatest.

So utterly Pointless.... arguing with you.

Yet so much fun since I'm the only one here with a different opinion.

Ohhh I get it, you're an indie kid.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

On another note. Why don't 1000s turn up to watch petone in the Central League? Bloody evil NZFC.

That's not the same thing as both are NZ based and therefore accesible.

Auckland City FC

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hilarious.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Buffon II wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Buffon II wrote:

Explain Swansea and Cardiff then.

Same sovereign state

Explain Vancouver in the MLS then.

Um, also in CONCACAF

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Hilarious.

I was just thinking that it is quite funny... If you met me you'd probably like me and vice versa.

Auckland City FC

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Bullion wrote:

Buffon II wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Buffon II wrote:

Explain Swansea and Cardiff then.

Same sovereign state

Explain Vancouver in the MLS then.

Um, also in CONCACAF

Not sure I get that? O-league, Champions League etc.

Auckland City FC

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Quite possibly. I get on fine with the McIlroys.

I just don't understand the migration from Bloc 5 stalwart to Phoenix hater. I can't balance that in any way, shape or form.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Actually Ali, i'd like you to explain The New Saints, a fully professional English club playing in an inferior Welsh league, when at the same time you have Cardiff City and Swansea City, fully professional Welsh clubs playing in a superior English league. Does this mean neither league is coalface? Or are both? I guarantee it will boggle your mind.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Buffon II wrote:

It does.

Auckland City FC

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

zonknz wrote:

Hard News wrote:

The Morrison statement is a valid point and one suggested to me by someone in the media as well.

The point seems to be, if the Phoenix fails, NZF will work with whoever comes forward, including parties outside Wellington. Which makes sense, from their point of view.

OK, Ive been mulling this over this morning. I've taken a slight deviation in life, and am now tackling poetry as my prediction skills are taking an off-season break. I decided to convert this latest "scoop" into a haiku- risky I know but here goes;

Wellington Phoenix belong to us,
All Whites are the national team,
To all fans of the game in Auckland-
Save up. Buy Your own. Fark off.

I thank you

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Buffon II wrote:

Had a look at The New Saints, seem they are an amalgamation of two clubs (13km apart), one based in Wales the other in England, however the English team did play in Wales prior to the merger in 2003. I suppose once you drop down the pyramid the level evens out between the Welsh leagues and those in England, just a smaller pond so may be better for some clubs?

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Grandadi wrote:

zonknz wrote:

Hard News wrote:

The Morrison statement is a valid point and one suggested to me by someone in the media as well.

The point seems to be, if the Phoenix fails, NZF will work with whoever comes forward, including parties outside Wellington. Which makes sense, from their point of view.

Do you do Bar Mitzvahs?

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