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Phoenix to move to Auckland (maybe)

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I managed to hack into the Dom Post's systems and found tomorrow's front page. Here's Dave Burgess' latest piece of well researched journalism...


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alireggae wrote:
Hard News wrote:
I don't hate Auckland.  I loved the Kingz and I loved the supporters, had some great times.The other million plus who never turn up to football games can GGF (except my family, and my wifes family).


Here's where 'the knitting circle' has a totally valid point. David - as someone who would travel from Wellington to Auckland to watch games, I'd imagine you'd be in the minority of about 1 hence the dismay felt by many wellingtonians at the thought of the nix moving to Auckland. This is where the premier model works well as it is many times more accessible to the majority of nzers whether in Wellington, Dunedin or Auckland.
 
Can you please explain what the premier model is?

Normo's coming home

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ASBP

Allegedly

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It's the professional ASB Premiership bandwagon JD.  If you want to go back and find all the other times it's been pulled apart it will save us all typing it again.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Just realised that this morning's article was pretty rushed. There were no authoritative quotes from Threak.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Ok, if anyone brings that up again in this thread they will be banned for a week.  It is off topic and irrelevant and I am bored of talking about it

Normo's coming home

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james dean wrote:
Ok, if anyone brings that up again in this thread they will be banned for a week.  It is off topic and irrelevant and I am bored of talking about it

Allegedly

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Asbp

Auckland City FC

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this will be a test to see if ali g reads other posts.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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alireggae wrote:
Asbp

Just testing

Auckland City FC

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Presumably the Burgess-hating can just continue unabated?

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Well I find that pretty tedious too but then I'm sure people can't be bothered with what I write.  But yes it is on topic...

Normo's coming home

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I'm calling that a warning Ali.  One more I'll ban you.  JD however is at work on a summer morning in London.  He may look out the window, think 'why the f**k am I at work' and take it out on you and fair play to him if he does. Hard News2011-05-31 21:17:35

How's my driving? - Whine here

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C'mon Ali. You know you want to.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Hard News wrote:

I'm calling that a warning Ali.� One more I'll ban you.� JD however is at work on a summer morning in London.� He may look out the window, think 'why the f**k am I at work' and take it out on you and fair play to him if he does.



I admire your dedication to the (football) cause is what I'm trying to say. However, most would not travel hundreds of K's to watch a game, therefore (and this IS on topic) a huge chunk of the population will always miss out with one team in the A-league wherever that team is based... Someone is always going to be dissapointed.alireggae2011-05-31 21:27:57

Auckland City FC

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I dont get all the Auckland hate. Never have

I live here, supported the Kingz and Knightz and love the Phoenix, and I dont hate Wellingtonians because the game has gone down there, and survived/thrived

So dont paint us all the same

I want professional football in NZ, and see there is some danger of it disappearing if Terry keeps going down the gurgler. His problems are escalating. I dont like seeing that or even saying it, and have kept away from the forum for that reason.

It is the reality though, despite all the heads in the sand on here. There must be a fair chance he'll pull the plug before the season starts or part way in, he just may need to survive. I know he has said that he will keep it, but as the pressure builds, it woudnt surprise me.

So NZF is looking hard at this situation and checking others out?? Fair enough by me. It is in their interests. And to suggest that the FFA wouldnt be keeping in touch with NZF and consulting before they make a decision about licences, that would be naive thinking, I bet they are

I think it would be best to keep the franchise in Wellington, but if that is not possible, then it comes down to what is second best.

I'vejust had a weekend in Chch and I admire the people for their get on with life attitude, but if you think they are going to be in shape to start a new football team in a good stadium down there in this year or the next, no, it not going to happen



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Guys Guys I love u Wellintonians :P

And you all know where I live
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alireggae wrote:
Hard News wrote:

I'm calling that a warning Ali.  One more I'll ban you.  JD however is at work on a summer morning in London.  He may look out the window, think 'why the f**k am I at work' and take it out on you and fair play to him if he does.



I admire your dedication to the (football) cause is what I'm trying to say. However, most would not travel hundreds of K's to watch a game, therefore (and this IS on topic) a huge chunk of the population will always miss out with one team in the A-league wherever that team is based... Someone is always going to be dissapointed.


That is the most bizarre logic ever.

Let's get rid of the NZFC then, because it ain't that handy to Gisborne, or New Plymouth, or Greymouth.

I think you should be banned simply to save you from further embarassment.

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Tegal wrote:
As I've said,it's entirely possible that it was discussed as one of many possible contingency plans. If Terry has to give the license up,and there was no other alternative,then here is the plan.

That doesn't mean they're going to do it. It's just sensible to plan for all possibilities.

So it probably isn't completely made up,rather it is probably being made out to be something that it's not,by taking snippets of information and quotes and mashing them together to make a shocking story on a slow day.

Something the doom post are good at,especially with Phoenix related stories of late.


Exactly what i'm thinking.
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Hepatitis - if someone, anyone, could try and make some sort of coherent argument as to how an A-League team could survive and prosper in Auckland then there might be a different view.  But right now I see it as the worst possible solution for everyone with an interest in football as it will inevitably lead to another failed franchise no matter who owns it.

Normo's coming home

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james dean wrote:
Hepatitis - if someone, anyone, could try and make some sort of coherent argument as to how an A-League team could survive and prosper in Auckland then there might be a different view.  But right now I see it as the worst possible solution for everyone with an interest in football as it will inevitably lead to another failed franchise no matter who owns it.
Are you really up dat London?

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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Jazzman wrote:
Om TV3 news tonight , Morrison accused FVH and Giltrap of lying , exact word used. Reporter asked whether the denials from FVH and Giltrap meant anything. Response went something like " well they're not telling the truth" ( typical f...ing politician , too scared to put balls on the block).Reporter's response somethig like- you mean they're lying. Morrison- well , I suppose they are�yes.
Exact words I don't remember but the lying was definitely used.�

�

Got home from work to be face with my devastated little boy

Him ( in tears) : Dad,� Phoenix is going to Auckland

Me: Not yet it isn't

Him: But we hate Auckland , Dad

Me: ( supressing big grin) Yes , but don't believe everything you read in the paper

Him: But why did it say so then?

Me: The writer just doesn't like Terry very much

Him: So he must one one of those �, you know , what you and the Fever guys are��always calling� the refs at the Phoenix games�, what are they , w**kers?

Me; nearly choked on�my beer

�

3 lessons from my son ( he's 9)

1.We hate Aucklnd

2. The�Doom post�full of crap

3.Burgess is a w**ker�

�


This child is the single greatest reason mentioned in the entire thread for keeping the nix in Wellington! He is the future of the sport! The nix are saved!
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Hard News wrote:
The Knights had one.� Brian Katzen was a loaded South African millionaire they just spent his money badly.� He employed idiots to run it.Likewise the Kingz spent two seasons owned by Sky TV and they were run by idiots.Don't fall under the illusion that it ws always a cluster-f**k.� Hell in the third season they even tried to buy the best team in the league but because they didn't research the people or think about the market they f**ked up.� There were at least two occassions where they were as well funded as any side in the competition.The first Sky season even had reasonable results but the two biggest crowds were still here in Wellington.


Please stop using those pesky 'facts'.
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alireggae wrote:
Hard News wrote:
I don't hate Auckland.� I loved the Kingz and I loved the supporters, had some great times.The other million plus who never turn up to football games can GGF (except my family, and my wifes family).


Here's where 'the knitting circle' has a totally valid point. David - as someone who would travel from Wellington to Auckland to watch games, I'd imagine you'd be in the minority of about 1 hence the dismay felt by many wellingtonians at the thought of the nix moving to Auckland. This is where the premier model works well as it is many times more accessible to the majority of nzers whether in Wellington, Dunedin or Auckland.


Let me try and simplify most people on this forums position on A-League v. NZFC.

A-League = GOOD
NZFC = GOOD

Both have their roles. If you take the Phoenix away, the NZFC will not (and was not pre Phoenix/Knights/Kingz) replace the role that the A-League plays in the NZ Football pyramid.
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As they don't support my rants,I choose to ignore the last 2 posts.

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Good points. I love ACFC and their kiwi supporters. They are an example to us all.



"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Jazzman wrote:
Got home from work to be face with my devastated little boy
Him ( in tears) : Dad,  Phoenix is going to Auckland
Me: Not yet it isn't
Him: But we hate Auckland , Dad
Me: ( supressing big grin) Yes , but don't believe everything you read in the paper
Him: But why did it say so then?
Me: The writer just doesn't like Terry very much
Him: So he must one one of those  , you know , what you and the Fever guys are  always calling  the refs at the Phoenix games , what are they , w**kers?
Me; nearly choked on my beer
 
3 lessons from my son ( he's 9)
1.We hate Aucklnd
2. The Doom post full of crap
3.Burgess is a w**ker 
 
As an educator, I salute you!
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james dean wrote:
Hepatitis - if someone, anyone, could try and make some sort of coherent argument as to how an A-League team could survive and prosper in Auckland then there might be a different view.  But right now I see it as the worst possible solution for everyone with an interest in football as it will inevitably lead to another failed franchise no matter who owns it.


I see the best solution as Wellington based, that is the first pick as far as I am concerned. They have been loyal to the team through the tough times and deserve for the franchise to remain there for sure.

Under a new  Wellington owner that has a more secure  business, I  am sure the fan base would keep turning up. I suspect that there will be many wondering whether to give their support just now though (that isnt what I want to be saying but I reckon it is true)

However if no Wellingtonian put their hand up, or if a funder from Auckland didnt want to keep it based in Wellington what then ??

I dont see it as an inevitable failure,and a few things are different than previously with the Knights/Kings, just saying


We have seen that a well picked and coached NZ team can foot it in the A league week in week out, a good history helps
NZ has had a taste of finals football, and know how much the support of the fans makes a difference
A strong supporters club does wonders for getting people to the games. The Fever as such didnt exist then, the internet is stronger and more accessible
There are improved transport options to all possible venues now
More people in Auckland now than previously and I suspect more football lovers

It would be a punt to give Auckland another go , but wouldnt it be better to have something and to keep the franchise operating here than to spend years in the wilderness waiting for the A League to decide to give us another opening

Clearly everything possible has to be done to keep it in Wellington first





hepatitis2011-05-31 22:33:21
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The quote in Robb's signature speaks wonders. So in the non-existent chance the Phoenix did move to Auckland would we see Ricki leave the club, and possibly have a whole bunch of players follow him out? The side may still be called the Phoenix, but I think it would be a completely different team.

Saying that, the story is absolute rubbish, and as long as Terry is passionate enough to continue funding the Nix, they will remain here.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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hepatitis wrote:
james dean wrote:
Hepatitis - if someone, anyone, could try and make some sort of coherent argument as to how an A-League team could survive and prosper in Auckland then there might be a different view.  But right now I see it as the worst possible solution for everyone with an interest in football as it will inevitably lead to another failed franchise no matter who owns it.


I see the best solution as Wellington based, that is the first pick as far as I am concerned. They have been loyal to the team through the tough times and deserve for the franchise to remain there for sure.

Under a new  Wellington owner that has a more secure  business, I  am sure the fan base would keep turning up. I suspect that there will be many wondering whether to give their support just now though (that isnt what I want to be saying but I reckon it is true)

However if no Wellingtonian put their hand up, or if a funder from Auckland didnt want to keep it based in Wellington what then ??

I dont see it as an inevitable failure,and a few things are different than previously with the Knights/Kings, just saying


We have seen that a well picked and coached NZ team can foot it in the A league week in week out, a good history helps
NZ has had a taste of finals football, and know how much the support of the fans makes a difference
A strong supporters club does wonders for getting people to the games. The Fever as such didnt exist then, the internet is stronger and more accessible
There are improved transport options to all possible venues now
More people in Auckland now than previously and I suspect more football lovers

It would be a punt to give Auckland another go , but wouldnt it be better to have something and to keep the franchise operating here than to spend years in the wilderness waiting for the A League to decide to give us another opening

Clearly everything possible has to be done to keep it in Wellington first





 
SOrry mate, that's just waffle

Normo's coming home

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Very constructive criticism ^

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Never defined it as coherent. LOL I just want this f****ing mess to go away and to have everything back to normal
hepatitis2011-05-31 22:42:45
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james dean wrote:
Hepatitis - if someone, anyone, could try and make some sort of coherent argument as to how an A-League team could survive and prosper in Auckland then there might be a different view.  But right now I see it as the worst possible solution for everyone with an interest in football as it will inevitably lead to another failed franchise no matter who owns it.
 
While I don't know the Auckland position that well ... I do understand one thing...
 
This being when you have invested time and engery into developing a product / brand in a very competive market .... that brand acceptance is high ... everyone knows who you are ... you have the the respect of the greater Football family in OZ (remember FL will not be in charge forever i.e. a NZ side in the A-League), that at times you have had the entire country behind you... that you have built arguably the best or close to it support base of hard core fans...
 
You do not fark around with success ... especially if the model you plan to replace it with has previously failed...
 
Maybe the junro is a dickhead .... maybe its time someone had a word to the government to say what is this paper or bloke in particular (if he has a history of this) is doing and its not in the Cities or National interest for all this BS .... But again you don't fark around with success for a failed model..

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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Midfielder wrote:
Maybe the junro is a dickhead .... maybe its time someone had a word to the government to say what is this paper or bloke in particular (if he has a history of this) is doing and its not in the Cities or National interest for all this BS .... But again you don't fark around with success for a failed model..
Sorry but we don't live in Saudi, our press can do almost what they like without Government interference.
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Democracy sux. Freedom of expression more so.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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hepatitis wrote:
I dont get all the Auckland hate


Me neither. What did we do wrong?

Three for me, and two for them.

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james dean wrote:
what i don't understand is that if you were a potential owner why would you even think to move the club to Auckland. What do you think you can do differently than the previously failed entities up there? Let's be very clear, the club hasn't failed in wellington, the owner has.


Hola! I come to internet to see that Fenix fans go crazy. Talk upon talk of Fenix moving to Orkland. I spend little time in your country on eclectic tour, but my time spend enough to see that fute'bol has to be played anywhere to form success.

Never be unhappy that Fenix move to city in north, I understand Fenix operate in Australian conditions for fute'bol. Perhaps rich man or woman, from anywhere in world who love the beautiful game aid Fenix?
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fesanchez wrote:
james dean wrote:
what i don't understand is that if you were a potential owner why would you even think to move the club to Auckland. What do you think you can do differently than the previously failed entities up there? Let's be very clear, the club hasn't failed in wellington, the owner has.
Hola! I come to internet to see that Fenix fans go crazy. Talk upon talk of Fenix moving to Orkland. I spend little time in your country on eclectic tour, but my time spend enough to see that fute'bol has to be played anywhere to form success.Never be unhappy that Fenix move to city in north, I understand Fenix operate in Australian conditions for fute'bol. Perhaps rich man or woman, from anywhere in world who love the beautiful game aid Fenix?


Trola!

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If the Phoenix were to move north with me having just moved to Wellington then I think I'd have to break something.
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Sam - you must be an understudy to Burgess. Tacky "journalism" from you this morning.

Unfortunately really par for the course these days. Very glad I don't pay your wages - you don't do much to justify whatever you are on.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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