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Phoenix Transfer Speculation 2013/14

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over 12 years ago

Jets and Heart definitely.  Adelaide could be great or a massive implosion with a coach trying to do too much.  I rate Alistair Edwards as coach so I think Perth will be ok.  I'm also not sure if West Sydney will back up - a lot more expectation on them this year and their game plan won't be so new.  CCM have lost a lot of players but Arnie is the best coach in the competition.  On paper our squad doesn't look top half to me but in this league momentum is everything.

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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
Cosimo wrote:

not sure about him having two first names though

Luke Adams? Tyler Boyd? Cameron Lindsay (doh)

get rid of them all!! *foams at mouth*
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over 12 years ago
Cosimo wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
Cosimo wrote:

not sure about him having two first names though

Luke Adams? Tyler Boyd? Cameron Lindsay (doh)


get rid of them all!! *foams at mouth*





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over 12 years ago
TopLeft07 wrote:
Backheel wrote:
Luis Garcia wrote:

If we sign Gulley and Bertsch then we're at 6 players for 3 spots.

 

IMO Chris James > daylight > those two

Is gulley predominately a DM or a RB? or both
DM. Jury still out on his ability at RB.
So if he was to be signed, it would be DM rather than RB? So to cover RB we have, Fenton, Brindell-south, Sigmund, Bertos? yet none of them are actually RBs apart from Brindell-south except i dont know if hes up to starting for the A league?

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over 12 years ago


"The Press" wrote:

But Merrick admitted it would be hard for Clapham to get a contract with the Wellington club in the immediate future.

"There's a lot of players in that mid-20s or slightly earlier or older age-group and many of them are good enough [for the A-League], but the trouble is I've inherited a team and a style of play." Merrick believes Clapham is best suited to an attacking midfield role.

"But I've already got two players in his position. You can't sign players willy-nilly. You have to look at how they fit into your system ... " "But there's no doubt there's certain players who could play in A-League teams in Australia if they weren't foreign players."



So that settles it, hopefully.


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over 12 years ago
Doloras wrote:


"The Press" wrote:

But Merrick admitted it would be hard for Clapham to get a contract with the Wellington club in the immediate future.

"There's a lot of players in that mid-20s or slightly earlier or older age-group and many of them are good enough [for the A-League], but the trouble is I've inherited a team and a style of play." Merrick believes Clapham is best suited to an attacking midfield role.

"But I've already got two players in his position. You can't sign players willy-nilly. You have to look at how they fit into your system ... " "But there's no doubt there's certain players who could play in A-League teams in Australia if they weren't foreign players."



So that settles it, hopefully.


Yep. Clapham's chance of a pro career loos over.
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over 12 years ago
Doloras wrote:


"The Press" wrote:

But Merrick admitted it would be hard for Clapham to get a contract with the Wellington club in the immediate future.

"There's a lot of players in that mid-20s or slightly earlier or older age-group and many of them are good enough [for the A-League], but the trouble is I've inherited a team and a style of play." Merrick believes Clapham is best suited to an attacking midfield role.

"But I've already got two players in his position. You can't sign players willy-nilly. You have to look at how they fit into your system ... " "But there's no doubt there's certain players who could play in A-League teams in Australia if they weren't foreign players."



Interesting to hear merrick talk about nz talent in general like that, he obviously rates quite a few kiwis not on our books
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over 12 years ago

After the NZ A and Jaffa games I wonder where Ernie's thinking has got to with using the available import spot for the all important DM position.

I really hope he's just holding off for the right player and hasn't decided Lia, Muscat or some of the kids can do the job.

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over 12 years ago
Whitby boy wrote:

After the NZ A and Jaffa games I wonder where Ernie's thinking has got to with using the available import spot for the all important DM position.

I really hope he's just holding off for the right player and hasn't decided Lia, Muscat or some of the kids can do the job.

Exactly. I've been assuming he's holding out for the right import DM - we'll just get over run if its Muscat and Lia - not watchin that shite at the back of our midfield again - not together. Right now - can see us scoring a few goals, can see us playing positive football, but our midfield is dire. 7th or 8th finish if that's not sorted.

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over 12 years ago

Looks like Matt Thompson is still without a club. Do you think he'd still be keen?

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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

good post and yes, it's a glaring weakness. I too agree that Thompson would have been one I would have signed. I've seen the Rufer boy once with the u17s and he impressed but how is going to go with hard cunts like Burns and McFlynn kicking lumps out of him if he was in the midfield? A League refs are not known for protecting players. The more I look at what is happening, I think it's more likely that he goes with Bertsch, Gulley and Watson. He then has 22 and has room for a bolter. I haven't seen the Phoenix in preseason at all so I base that I what I read on here and with the amount of game time they have had, that would appear the way he is leaning. 20 days out is quite late in the piece to bring a starter in to fit the structure and be up with the play.


Could bring a player in as injury cover for Fenton and have 2 spots available. Or take all 4 and still have 1 spot. If the budget can handle it.
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over 12 years ago

Bertsch was better than Lia today but can't sign him on the import spot. Being better than Lia is no real achievement.

Fuck this stupid game

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over 12 years ago

Soory, probably already in here somewhere, but what is the background of Bertsch? why is he here etc?


 

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over 12 years ago
As far as I know, he has been in the country for a few years (for whatever reason) and has played his football for Lower Hutt where he has always been quite a handy player - technically good and he has a big engine. Others may be able to tell you more.

Fuck this stupid game

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over 12 years ago


I know people groan when signing Chris James gets mentioned but if the reason he was never really considered before was a clash with RH then why not think about him now? Better pedigree than Clapham and to hear him say it he prefers playing as a deep-lying playmaker these days, which is exactly what we need. Can't imagine he'd be that expensive either. Only problem is if he finishes his current contract first we won't have him for the first few games. Other than that, can anyone bring up a decent reason for why we can't or won't sign him? Surely would be a better option alongside Manny than any current member of our squad.

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over 12 years ago

I agree. We are in desperate need of an experienced midfielder - it's great we've signed so much youth but we certainly look very underdone in midfield. Seems an obvious choice for me.




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over 12 years ago


I know people groan when signing Chris James gets mentioned but if the reason he was never really considered before was a clash with RH then why not think about him now? Better pedigree than Clapham and to hear him say it he prefers playing as a deep-lying playmaker these days, which is exactly what we need. Can't imagine he'd be that expensive either. Only problem is if he finishes his current contract first we won't have him for the first few games. Other than that, can anyone bring up a decent reason for why we can't or won't sign him? Surely would be a better option alongside Manny than any current member of our squad.



I'd be more than happy if we signed James.
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over 12 years ago

Question for N-bomb (not sure if already asked elsewhere): Could Irving play at DM as well as RB?

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over 12 years ago

James hardly made a mark in the NSWPL or now in Finland. No other a-league side has looked at him. One okay display in a pretty average All Whites display doesn't suddenly make him a-league material.

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over 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:

Question for N-bomb (not sure if already asked elsewhere): Could Irving play at DM as well as RB?


He hasn't done so at Narra, but he has all the qualities to do - he's very quick, mobile side to side, great tackler and superb technique. My only concern would be his ability to play quick short passes, he hasn't really had to do that, instead he prefers bombing long balls forward into space for players to run onto to. 
So he probably could, but I haven't seen him play DM so it's an unknown.
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over 12 years ago


I'd really be peed off if Ernie doesn't sign a quality import at DM. Some good potential youth talents named in this discussion, but up against the hard nuts in A League (as some have already indicated) - you've gotta be kidding. They'd be done like a dinner anywhere near DM. Same for the Clapham type names thrown in. There's no-one currently in NZ who could cut it successfully at DM right now, which is why Lia's in the mix with Muscat still presumably, until "Roy" arrives. 


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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

Hard News wrote:

James hardly made a mark in the NSWPL or now in Finland. No other a-league side has looked at him. One okay display in a pretty average All Whites display doesn't suddenly make him a-league material.

See:Hogg, Ian


Well I certainly agree he isn't worth an import slot, which is probably why no other A-League clubs looked at him.


Wondering how you can say he has or hasn't made his mark in a league that you can't watch. Without seeing him play, he has played over 50 games for KuPS since 2012.

All I think is that surely he wouldn't command a huge wage drastically more than another youngster but would at least give us someone in that DM position that potentially can pass the ball and has quite a bit of experience. At the very least if he turns out to be worse than Lia (is that possible?) he would provide some sort of cover in that area.




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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History
Wibblebutt wrote:

Hard News wrote:

James hardly made a mark in the NSWPL or now in Finland. No other a-league side has looked at him. One okay display in a pretty average All Whites display doesn't suddenly make him a-league material.

See:Hogg, Ian


Well I certainly agree he isn't worth an import slot, which is probably why no other A-League clubs looked at him.


Wondering how you can say he has or hasn't made his mark in a league that you can't watch. Without seeing him play, he has played over 50 games for KuPS since 2012.

All I think is that surely he wouldn't command a huge wage drastically more than another youngster but would at least give us someone in that DM position that potentially can pass the ball and has quite a bit of experience. At the very least if he turns out to be worse than Lia (is that possible?) he would provide some sort of cover in that area.

Exactly. If you asked me 3 months ago if I'd be happy with James the answer would have been no, but there's less than two weeks to the start of the season and we aren't exactly overwhelmed with options. Even just sign him for a year and if he's as bad as Lia let them both go at the end of the season.

 

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over 12 years ago

James also comes with a little pedigree.

You don't get as many youth internationals as he did for England without having talent. Comparing him to Hogg is a little harsh.

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over 12 years ago

Are we there yet???



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over 12 years ago

I assume Chris James current contract runs out within two weeks or we wouldn't be discussing him joining right now?

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over 12 years ago

Contract expires at the end of the Finnish league which finishes late October.




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over 12 years ago

I don't think James nor Clapham nor Thomson is the answer. I feel Ernie really does need to use the import slot on that position and it is a considerable worry we haven't found someone yet and might not even be looking any longer. I guess we do need cover there but I don't think those mentioned players are going to make much difference in the starting lineup.

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over 12 years ago
rjmiller wrote:

I don't think James nor Clapham nor Thomson is the answer. I feel Ernie really does need to use the import slot on that position and it is a considerable worry we haven't found someone yet and might not even be looking any longer. I guess we do need cover there but I don't think those mentioned players are going to make much difference in the starting lineup.

If we play 4-2-3-1 our current options for the '2' are Manny, Lia, a couple of kids with no professional experience, or someone like Boxall or Durante played out of position. I don't think Clapham would help us but the other two surely would at least provide cover if we are struck by injuries and/or suspensions. Yeah a quality import DM would be ideal but it's not like any names have been bandied about.

 

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over 12 years ago
rjmiller wrote:

I don't think James nor Clapham nor Thomson is the answer. I feel Ernie really does need to use the import slot on that position and it is a considerable worry we haven't found someone yet and might not even be looking any longer. I guess we do need cover there but I don't think those mentioned players are going to make much difference in the starting lineup.

If we play 4-2-3-1 our current options for the '2' are Manny, Lia, a couple of kids with no professional experience, or someone like Boxall or Durante played out of position. I don't think Clapham would help us but the other two surely would at least provide cover if we are struck by injuries and/or suspensions. Yeah a quality import DM would be ideal but it's not like any names have been bandied about.

 

That's kinda what Ernie has been saying as well, that there are not many about.

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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
rjmiller wrote:

I don't think James nor Clapham nor Thomson is the answer. I feel Ernie really does need to use the import slot on that position and it is a considerable worry we haven't found someone yet and might not even be looking any longer. I guess we do need cover there but I don't think those mentioned players are going to make much difference in the starting lineup.

If we play 4-2-3-1 our current options for the '2' are Manny, Lia, a couple of kids with no professional experience, or someone like Boxall or Durante played out of position. I don't think Clapham would help us but the other two surely would at least provide cover if we are struck by injuries and/or suspensions. Yeah a quality import DM would be ideal but it's not like any names have been bandied about.

 

That's kinda what Ernie has been saying as well, that there are not many about.


We're gotta find the import DM - don't mind waiting a bit for the right one. Right now it'll be Muscat and Lia in midfield - a few promising kids, especially Rufer - but really no different from last year. How are our front runners going to get ball to their feet. Answer - see last season.
 
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over 12 years ago

It's tough to find a good import DM - average attacking players are easier to find. Look at Jonathan Bru at Melbourne Victory - flopped pretty badly. 

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At least he's got his father's money to fall back on



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over 12 years ago

I don't mind waiting if the pick is a spine of the team, stays around forever, absolutely worth it guy. I mean injuries to Hernandez, Cunningham and Ifill against City, any of the 3 names mentioned would have given the transition from defense to attack something of a zip. I'd rather have a bit of depth to the squad, if there is no promise of Targetma...the DM/Holding midfielder eventualising.



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over 12 years ago

Why don't we change the formation of the team and do away with the DM altogether...teams managed for many years without one

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over 12 years ago
paullt wrote:

Why don't we change the formation of the team and do away with the DM altogether...teams managed for many years without one


Do you really think that our backline as it stands could handle that? No offense to Dura and Siggy but they can't do it all themselves.

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