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Phoenix Transfer - speculation (Part 1)

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auskiwi wrote:
nightz wrote:
I guessed he must have been injuried. Is anyone else worried about this? He also missed a good part of the season when he was with the Knights as he was injuried.
 Its a worry, when he is meant to be such a good player, that a change of manager means he would miss out on a starting spot. I could understand that if he was playing in a top league but its only Finland.
 
Relax, dont go on man, its done, just try and be positive and let it happen without getting yourself all in a tizzy
 
Whos in a Tizzy, I'm just being the voice of reason.
 
Why bury your head in the sand and start raving about how great every new signing is, remember George, Cleb, Elrich should I go on? How about some discussion about players strenghts and weaknesses. Is it not valid to question why a player has only had 4 games (and he didnt start all of them) in the last year. After all Kiwi's Ive talked to that have played in Finland rate it below the old NSL. If a player hasnt played much in the past 2 years because they have been injuired I would like to know what the injury was. Did they get a bad tackle, break something or just have a doogy hammy or something. Are they gonna spend more time on the bench than on the field.  

A dog with a bone :)

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Don't know the right word but it was a serious tear on his hamstring
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nightz wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
nightz wrote:
I guessed he must have been injuried. Is anyone else worried about this? He also missed a good part of the season when he was with the Knights as he was injuried.
 Its a worry, when he is meant to be such a good player, that a change of manager means he would miss out on a starting spot. I could understand that if he was playing in a top league but its only Finland.
 
Relax, dont go on man, its done, just try and be positive and let it happen without getting yourself all in a tizzy
 
Whos in a Tizzy, I'm just being the voice of reason.
 
Why bury your head in the sand and start raving about how great every new signing is, remember George, Cleb, Elrich should I go on? How about some discussion about players strenghts and weaknesses. Is it not valid to question why a player has only had 4 games (and he didnt start all of them) in the last year. After all Kiwi's Ive talked to that have played in Finland rate it below the old NSL. If a player hasnt played much in the past 2 years because they have been injuired I would like to know what the injury was. Did they get a bad tackle, break something or just have a doogy hammy or something. Are they gonna spend more time on the bench than on the field.  
 
go on then
 
Who are the players that you have spoken to that have played in Finland Prem and the NSL? YF could get their thoughts on the signing
Feverish2008-03-19 21:06:35

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Shouldnt be to hard for you to work out.
 
What are your thoughts on his signing Feverish?
nightz2008-03-19 21:08:58

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Easy chaps! Nightz is entitled to question the signing, and he's explained his reasons fairly clearly. It's a forum, exchanging opinions is what it's all about.

Right, carry on!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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The oracle (yes wikipedia) has the following on Troy Hearfield;

"Troy Hearfield (born October 31, 1987 in Tamworth, NSW) is an attacking football midfielder who currently plays for Newcastle United Jets in the A-League.

On 2 February 2007, Hearfield made his professional debut in a game against Sydney FC.

He has represented Australia at both U-17 and U-20 level. He was recently added to the U-23 Olympic squad."

Goal scoring record is impressive;
 
2006
2007-present
Australia U-20
Australia U-23
14 (6)
02 (1)
 
Anyone think the 4-4-2 rumour he is coming to the Nix has legs or does the Gao Lei Lei signing complete our midfield (unless Ross A is moving on ?)
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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nightz wrote:
Shouldnt be to hard for you to work out.
 
What are your thoughts on his signing Feverish?
 
i give up
 
I thought he was great for the Akld Knightzz and I reckon he will be a good asset. Sounds like he ticks a few boxes as to what we are after. If he is a dead ball specialist then that has to be good - as our were woeful most of the time.
Has to be better than Elrich

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Whitby boy wrote:

The oracle (yes wikipedia) has the following on Troy Hearfield;

"Troy Hearfield (born October 31, 1987 in Tamworth, NSW) is an attacking football midfielder who currently plays for Newcastle United Jets in the A-League.

On 2 February 2007, Hearfield made his professional debut in a game against Sydney FC.

He has represented Australia at both U-17 and U-20 level. He was recently added to the U-23 Olympic squad."

Goal scoring record is impressive;
 
2006
2007-present
Australia U-20
Australia U-23
14 (6)
02 (1)
 
Anyone think the 4-4-2 rumour he is coming to the Nix has legs or does the Gao Lei Lei signing complete our midfield (unless Ross A is moving on ?)


Apparently he can play as striker too. I can't see us picking up another player intended as a midfielder - we're after a striker and a RB.

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On one of those videos Malik Buari features.  He is playing some crap lower English League, and featured 6 times for 2 goals.  Wikipedia says he's a left defender/midfielder and played for Fulham and age grade England.  Anyone know how he looked in the 6 performances for the Knights?  I know it's hardly a team to be scouting from but as with Gao it sounds like they had a few alright players.  Could be Lochhead's backup, and bring much needed competition to the squad?
Just a thought...
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energy24.7 wrote:
On one of those videos Malik Buari features.  He is playing some crap lower English League, and featured 6 times for 2 goals.  Wikipedia says he's a left defender/midfielder and played for Fulham and age grade England.  Anyone know how he looked in the 6 performances for the Knights?  I know it's hardly a team to be scouting from but as with Gao it sounds like they had a few alright players.  Could be Lochhead's backup, and bring much needed competition to the squad?
Just a thought...
 
unless he is a striker or right back dont even worry about it.

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energy24.7 wrote:
On one of those videos Malik Buari features.� He is playing some crap lower English League, and featured 6 times for 2 goals.� Wikipedia says he's a left defender/midfielder and played for Fulham and age grade England.� Anyone know how he looked in the 6 performances for the Knights?� I know it's hardly a team to be scouting from but as with Gao it sounds like they had a few alright players.� Could be Lochhead's backup, and bring much needed competition to the squad?
Just a thought...


I'd say let that thought go

Malik Buari had some interesting moments, scored an amazing goal early on, that may actually have started as a cross and curled in. But after that he didnt seem to have good control of the ball, often overhitting it or getting tangled up with it. Reminds me of Elrich's pattern, good start, went off

Wouldnt have him myself
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Apart from 1 wonder goal, Buari was generally rubbish. I'd know i went to every game.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buari was absolutely sh*thouse. Scored 1 great goal and did bugger all else. Sound familiar?

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
Buari was absolutely sh*thouse. Scored 1 great goal and did bugger all else. Sound familiar?
 

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Whitby boy wrote:

The oracle (yes wikipedia) has the following on Troy Hearfield;



Anyone think the 4-4-2 rumour he is coming to the Nix has legs or does the Gao Lei Lei signing complete our midfield (unless Ross A is moving on ?)


I think our midfield is fine with or without Ross. You've got Gao, Daniel and Bertos in attacking midfield positions and lia,ferrante Mckain and Johnson(?) as holding midfielders.
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Did you lot follow the Knights or what?

I've seen Buari and Bazeley mentioned recently - how shocking is that?!!

Buari was technically shocking, he was basically Nevin's mate from Fulham days. No wonder he's playing where he is (St somebody last time I looked)

Bazeley's a nice guy, he's just sh*te. Dont know what he was like in his earlier days, but that last season he was shocking for the Knights. Constantly out of position and had no clue how to mark effectively.

Is the next suggestion to bring back Milosovich, perhaps as an outfield player like he was kitted out to be when we were short on players :)
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Wolfben wrote:
Did you lot follow the Knights or what?

I've seen Buari and Bazeley mentioned recently - how shocking is that?!!

Buari was technically shocking, he was basically Nevin's mate from Fulham days. No wonder he's playing where he is (St somebody last time I looked)

Bazeley's a nice guy, he's just sh*te. Dont know what he was like in his earlier days, but that last season he was shocking for the Knights. Constantly out of position and had no clue how to mark effectively.

Is the next suggestion to bring back Milosovich, perhaps as an outfield player like he was kitted out to be when we were short on players :)



Absolutely spot on   

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Tony p seeing as your online. Any word on aloisi's future?

please
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Wolfben wrote:
Did you lot follow the Knights or what?I've seen Buari and Bazeley mentioned recently - how shocking is that?!!Buari was technically shocking, he was basically Nevin's mate from Fulham days. No wonder he's playing where he is (St somebody last time I looked)Bazeley's a nice guy, he's just sh*te. Dont know what he was like in his earlier days, but that last season he was shocking for the Knights. Constantly out of position and had no clue how to mark effectively. Is the next suggestion to bring back Milosovich, perhaps as an outfield player like he was kitted out to be when we were short on players :)


We know that Buari hopeless.

I only mention Bazeley as a short term solution if we can't get anyone quick enough simply because there is noone else in NZ that would be up to scratch in the right back position. So take it easy dude. It wasn't his fault that the english coach keeps moving him about in different positions I think from memory. But it's not going to happen anyway because as I mention he has got a coaching job now and is not playing. I am not sure he is retiring but just a mere suggestion of a short gap solution.

Anyway I think one of the best places to look for a right back or striker may be in the Victoria Premier League or go to Brazil or China using our players contacts.

Cole Tinker might be back from Singapore and had been used in different positions including striker so he could be more useful as an attacking right full back now with that experience. He's 21 years old now. He wasn't able to get on the field from the All Whites bench against Malayasia 2006 when he was 19. He might one to consider now that he is a bit older. Apparently it seems that the S-league might be too easy for him as he was one of the better player of the league, which doesn't say much for the S-league. AllWhitebelievr2008-03-20 00:37:44
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Well Nightz, not the voice of reason but maybe more of pessimism.
 
Sure you can worry about Gao's past  injury's and playing level standards, but this is not  a
hick league and i'm sure management has done their research. All your talk about burying heads in the sand is just insolence, but thats just my opinion.
 
Like Feverish, I too would like to know who "all these kiwis" are you've talked too who have played in the Finn Prem and NSL. Their opinions would be interesting.
 
But like I said , its done, try and be positve.
Don't worry about the bad that might happen, your not in a position to do anything about it, just think of the good that could happen and enjoy it when it does. 
I think hes going to be great and sooooooooo looking forward to first game kick off.
 
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Guys, it is likely that Nightz has been talking to Noah Hickey. He was the only Kiwi that has played both leagues.

However if Noah mention it after Gao was back on the books. I wouldn't be popping the pill just yet.

Remember Noah had claimed that he has done all that he could as a player and was moving on to be some business motivater (He did retired but then turn out for Gisborne City)

Well he did have a falling out with Ricki over the disastrous South American tour, so he could be still biting even tho it was a year ago.
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Well he did have a falling out with Ricki over the disastrous South American tour, so he could be still biting even tho it was a year ago.
 
I'd be surprised if Noah was 'biting' about that, if he ever was. The whole situation might have been more of a media beat up than any truth to Noah being upset. I recall he came on the forums back then and was pretty chipper about things, didn't seem to be any bad blood.
 
As for Gao, Noah might have said he's not all that, perhaps Noah could jump back on the forums and let us know what Gao's strengths/ weaknesses might be from a player's point of view - Noah?.
 
But really, we gotta compare him [Gao] to what we had  [elrich] . . . so surely it's a step in the right direction.
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Think a bit harder AWB, someone a bit closer to home. 
 
I think Nightz makes some valid points, we don�t have to greet every signing with back slaps all round.  Personally I thought he did enough in his time with the Knights to show he could play and he has one of the things we lacked last year - pace.  It was also instructive that once he got on corners and free kicks for the Knights we began to score from set pieces (remember vs Sydney and also Emblen getting on at home, not sure who).  But if he hasn�t been playing then there must a be a reason, and let�s hope the management are aware of them.
 
Sorry but can we have a ban on mentioning Malik Buari, he was atrocious.  Darren Bazely had some talent but it drained out of him at the Knights (along with the colour in his hair), and he would be absolutely eaten alive in V4.  We still have Jeremy Christie who was decent until the switch to 3-5-2 disrupted his season.

Normo's coming home

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Wolfben wrote:
Did you lot follow the Knights or what?I've seen Buari and Bazeley mentioned recently - how shocking is that?!!Buari was technically shocking, he was basically Nevin's mate from Fulham days. No wonder he's playing where he is (St somebody last time I looked)Bazeley's a nice guy, he's just sh*te. Dont know what he was like in his earlier days, but that last season he was shocking for the Knights. Constantly out of position and had no clue how to mark effectively. Is the next suggestion to bring back Milosovich, perhaps as an outfield player like he was kitted out to be when we were short on players :)


We know that Buari hopeless.

I only mention Bazeley as a short term solution if we can't get anyone quick enough simply because there is noone else in NZ that would be up to scratch in the right back position. So take it easy dude. It wasn't his fault that the english coach keeps moving him about in different positions I think from memory. But it's not going to happen anyway because as I mention he has got a coaching job now and is not playing. I am not sure he is retiring but just a mere suggestion of a short gap solution.


He was nearly always at RB, I cant remember seeing him play anywhere else. There are better RB's in NZ already, they probably aren't up to scratch either, but right now there better than Bazeley.


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james dean wrote:
Think a bit harder AWB, someone a bit closer to home. 
 


Raf
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chocnut wrote:
Tony p seeing as your online. Any word on aloisi's future?

please
 
 
He is still in Adelaide getting treatment on his back.  We will be speaking to him about his future later this month.
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Guys, it is likely that Nightz has been talking to Noah Hickey. He was the only Kiwi that has played both leagues.

However if Noah mention it after Gao was back on the books. I wouldn't be popping the pill just yet.

Remember Noah had claimed that he has done all that he could as a player and was moving on to be some business motivater (He did retired but then turn out for Gisborne City)

Well he did have a falling out with Ricki over the disastrous South American tour, so he could be still biting even tho it was a year ago.
 
Just to straighten something up. I never said the players mentioned Gao. They were only commenting on the quality of the Finnish league when they played in it.
 
Both Lee Jones and Raf as will as Noah have played in Finland.

A dog with a bone :)

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Tony P wrote:
chocnut wrote:
Tony p seeing as your online. Any word on aloisi's future?

please
 
 
He is still in Adelaide getting treatment on his back.  We will be speaking to him about his future later this month.
 
I thought the issue was all done and dusted with Ross moving on and into a commentary role with Fox.
 
I think that's great for everyone. I suspect he'll bring a lot to the new job. 
 
Some of the local commentaries last year made me cringe.
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Edit: wrong thread!
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Sweet, cheers for the heads up on Buari, I never once watched a knightz game so had no idea.
 
Lesson learned!!!!
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say now that weve got good attacking players like gao bertos and daniel is there a need to look for another striker or just have preferably gao playing a bit behind smeltz?
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Depends who we can get. There is now no need to sign someone marginal and take a risk but ideally we would pick up a genuine marquee striker. It's easier said than done though.
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would we pick up either a good right back or a good striker would we have enough money to get those players
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We're probably moving off topic a bit, this thread is for confirmed transfers. I'm not entirely sure what you are asking. If you are asking which is more important IMO it is a striker, Karl Dodd can play RB and I think he should definately be in the starting XI. If you are asking whether we have enough money I have no idea. It is difficult to lure players to the A-League and NZ while under a salary cap which makes things a little more difficult. It seems to be tricky to find a player that fits perfectly. 
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WellyT wrote:
We're probably moving off topic a bit, this thread is for confirmed transfers. I'm not entirely sure what you are asking. If you are asking which is more important IMO it is a striker, Karl Dodd can play RB and I think he should definately be in the starting XI. If you are asking whether we have enough money I have no idea. It is difficult to lure players to the A-League and NZ while under a salary cap which makes things a little more difficult. It seems to be tricky to find a player that fits perfectly. 


Topic: Phoenix/A-League transfers - speculation

We could line up 4-2-3-1 / 4-3-3 and with the added pace we should have those attacking midfielders in goal scoring positions
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Didn't even know what thread I was in.
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pedersen wrote:
say now that weve got good attacking players like gao bertos and daniel is there a need to look for another striker or just have preferably gao playing a bit behind smeltz?
 
Yes, we need another striker. What if, and I hope like hell it dosent happen, Smeltz gets injuried and is out for a number of games.

A dog with a bone :)

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Wolfben wrote:
Did you lot follow the Knights or what?

I've seen Buari and Bazeley mentioned recently - how shocking is that?!!

Buari was technically shocking, he was basically Nevin's mate from Fulham days. No wonder he's playing where he is (St somebody last time I looked)

Bazeley's a nice guy, he's just sh*te. Dont know what he was like in his earlier days, but that last season he was shocking for the Knights. Constantly out of position and had no clue how to mark effectively.

Is the next suggestion to bring back Milosovich, perhaps as an outfield player like he was kitted out to be when we were short on players :)
 
Baze was quality in his younger years but much like Devine his legs were gone by the time he got here - still a technically good player - pretty good passer of the ball - may have been better utilised as a centre back rather than right back as that's where his lack of pace got found out.
 
Played a big chunk of his career at Wolves also featured for Watford and Walsall mostly at Championship/Div 2 level.

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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