BarryZuckerkorn[quote=dairyflat
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Love all the MICRO-analysis. I'd put the goal down to Siggy not having the right tension in the laces of his left training boot three seasons back. Buttefly effect and all that....
[/quote] The idea of causality is a hangover of centuries of deteministic classical thinking. There are no reasons for anything, only chaotic fluctuations in the quantum foam.Time is also an illusion imposed on existence by our mind's limited capacity confronting infinity. The goal was, is and shall be. There is nothing else that can be said about it.
Have you been reading too much David Hume or something Barry?
Don't worry the fluctuations aren't random and the quantum foam is consciousness. You see the greatest illusion is that of separation, there is no dualism between mind and matter, there is only mind, no substance only properties. The quantum foam/superstring/god are all one in the same, this is consciousness manifesting itself as the universe in a grand process of introspection in which all possible potentials are realized through the infinite diverging worlds parallel existences.
The goal both is and is not, only by the means of our collective free perception have we witnessed it and only in this spatio-temporal realm has the goal eventuated. All other possible occurrences and outcomes for the game and every other event have been brought into existence in other imperceptible parts of the universe.
Yeah, right!
Hey man if you've got a better explanation for reality that can handle the paradoxes without contradicting itself while being consistent with contemporary physics I'd love to hear it.
Non-dualism is the best explanation for existence/reality I've found thus far and I've been actively looking for four years or so. Of course then I go trying to combine it with string theory... (note: the above is actually what I genuinely believe is the ultimate nature of reality, convoluted as it is thinking about stuff is better than taking the universe at face value from your unreliable sense data.)
Yeah; metaphysics can be a real mindf***!
An intresting existentialist proposition, there is no intrinsic meaning in an deterministic universe, only what we project as a meaning onto our actions, although I would've though the self-awareness/analysis that is present with non-duality, would present the following issue, an existential Bohr effect, being aware of your self, you can't truly observe one-self without affecting your own behaviour, the causality of introspection/self-awareness, if you wish, although non-dualism claims to transcend the inner and external self through the nirvana of enlightenment, a position I've yet to be sold on.
For me I don't really see this as too much a problem. I interpret you as referring to the problem of an individual or collective consciousness observing/"measuring" itself and thus affecting and possibly projecting its own preconceptions on itself in doing so. The self affecting itself through measurement while affecting the measurement? (you'll have to forgive me, I've no idea which effect/affect I should be using by now)
Well that is what I believe is happening constantly,that is the process of the universe unfolding and if you look into yourself I think you find actually occurs. Firstly when you perform an act of introspection, think about yourself using your capacity for self-awareness you are effected by the observation in that you may change upon what you have come to discover, some burning desire or moral judgement or whatever. But your measurement is limited by the metric you use, you only act on or have desires you perceive to be possible and you only judge yourself morally by whatever you're ethics happens to be.
And secondly if nondualism is the case then I view this process of consciousness observing and realizing itself and altering for this realization and making futures observations effected by the previous realizations. As I believe the Universe/this process of Consciousness introspection contains every possibility, every way which consciousness could cause itself to collapse does occur so the process is infinitely infinite as it contains all the possible outcomes for this universe as well as all possible outcomes for all possible universes (i.e with different initial conditions/physical constants) So there is room for every realization/collapse of the collective consciousness as well as every possible collapse for each individual unit of consciousness.
I don't actually deny the individual to the extent of the monists/ancient eastern philosophers. I think that each unit of consciousness and every level of reality is as real as the next and purely part the purpose of the universe: to explore every possibility. I don't exactly buy the Nirvana deal as its sold either but the religious experience and other altered states of consciousness research is very interesting with neuroscience and neurotheology/neurotheosophy finally giving the field some credibility. For instance meditation actually physically alters your brain and changes its rest state permanently in pretty good ways.
Oh yeah... And I was pretty pleased with that point yesterday as well all round.
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