Wellington Phoenix Men

Phoenix v Brisbane Raw. Sunday 21st of Oct

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over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

This thread has gone all Schreodinger's Siggie* and Herbert's Uncertainty Principle**



*If you put Siggie in a box, is a bear catholic?

** If Siggie was an electron, then where the f*ck has he gone?


Any Scottish football fan will let you know that there are very few if any catholic bears!
And on your second point I reckon  Ricki should have got rid of Siggy and  signed Higgs Boson  when we had the chance !

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over 13 years ago

 "Your whole team is introspective!"

"You're a metaphysical solipsism, and you know you are!" - :)

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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over 13 years ago

Kiwi Jambo wrote:

Any Scottish football fan will let you know that there are very few if any catholic bears!

And on your second point I reckon  Ricki should have got rid of Siggy and  signed Higgs Boson  when we had the chance !


That's just your reality
Higgs Boson would be too expensive and no one can ever find him anyway.

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over 13 years ago


So, in summary, do you guys think the Roar figured out The Sound of One Siggy Flapping?

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over 13 years ago

ginger_eejit wrote:

 I very much like the idea of a Schroedinger's Siggie, Sigmund is simultaneously both holding his defensive position and also closing the player down, the impacting random event being the Queensland player running with the ball, his invites the aforementioned Bohr effect of the causality of observation, our role as the observer defines the final observed state as "out of position"

Is this observation an identical shared experience?, as we progress through Descartian metaphysical solipsism, we can only be sure our own experience is true, if we apply the indiscernibility of identicals, you, I,  the rest of the Yellow Fever shared the experience of Sigmund being out of position, this experience being described as identical, but as the experience, although described as shared, is purely a number of self experiences that are identically described, we cannot prove that Sigmund was out of position, as that is beyond the self

Yes epistemologically there is no Truth capital T in the human experience. We only have truth little t. The truth we can gain from our A Priori systems in themselves and how they reflect reality is all we really have for knowledge. By A Priori systems I mean for instance mathematics, linguistics physics to a lesser extent.. By the virtue of the rules it is true that 2+2=4 or that doe is a female deer, that statement is true by virtue of the meaning of the words. But this knowledge is only of systems we create. To gain some credible knowledge of the outside world we construct systems to match our perceptions and then attempt to speculate on further matters beyond our perception by applying the logic of our A Priori systems. Sometimes these assumptions match up sometimes not.
Whether Siggy was out of position is an epistemically complex proposition. Even if our sense data yields the same perception and its not a mass hallucination, "out of position" is a relative term yet to be defined and seemingly related to other variable such as the location of ball and the positioning of the players. Would Siggy have been offside if the ball to Berisha hadn't been played inspite of the identical situations? Would he have been in position if the roar player had ran at him Siggy executed a tackle? Can we rely on our sense data for to judge the distance between the players? Are we referring to the same siggy? I know a ginger cat named siggy who could be out of position. 

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over 13 years ago

I think it also explains why the grass was so sticky.


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EDIT: NO JUST THE ONE


Allegedly

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over 13 years ago

You guys had me flicking through my dictionary so fast that it burst into flames,which then caught on and burnt down an orphanage next door. 

Hope you're proud of yourself.


Allegedly

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over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

You guys had me flicking through my dictionary so fast that it burst into flames,which then caught on and burnt down an orphanage next door. 

Hope you're proud of yourself.

What two orphanages ?

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

Junior82 wrote:

Kiwi Jambo wrote:

Any Scottish football fan will let you know that there are very few if any catholic bears!

And on your second point I reckon  Ricki should have got rid of Siggy and  signed Higgs Boson  when we had the chance !


That's just your reality
Higgs Boson would be too expensive and no one can ever find him anyway.

True and I don't think we will ever get a larger Hadron Collider than our Siggy !! 

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over 13 years ago

 This is one of the best match day threads I have read

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over 13 years ago

peow wrote:

 This is one of the best match day threads I have read


Sort of makes up for the match itself really.

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over 13 years ago

asmodeus_82 wrote:

ginger_eejit wrote:

 I very much like the idea of a Schroedinger's Siggie, Sigmund is simultaneously both holding his defensive position and also closing the player down, the impacting random event being the Queensland player running with the ball, his invites the aforementioned Bohr effect of the causality of observation, our role as the observer defines the final observed state as "out of position"

Is this observation an identical shared experience?, as we progress through Descartian metaphysical solipsism, we can only be sure our own experience is true, if we apply the indiscernibility of identicals, you, I,  the rest of the Yellow Fever shared the experience of Sigmund being out of position, this experience being described as identical, but as the experience, although described as shared, is purely a number of self experiences that are identically described, we cannot prove that Sigmund was out of position, as that is beyond the self

Yes epistemologically there is no Truth capital T in the human experience. We only have truth little t. The truth we can gain from our A Priori systems in themselves and how they reflect reality is all we really have for knowledge. By A Priori systems I mean for instance mathematics, linguistics physics to a lesser extent.. By the virtue of the rules it is true that 2+2=4 or that doe is a female deer, that statement is true by virtue of the meaning of the words. But this knowledge is only of systems we create. To gain some credible knowledge of the outside world we construct systems to match our perceptions and then attempt to speculate on further matters beyond our perception by applying the logic of our A Priori systems. Sometimes these assumptions match up sometimes not.
Whether Siggy was out of position is an epistemically complex proposition. Even if our sense data yields the same perception and its not a mass hallucination, "out of position" is a relative term yet to be defined and seemingly related to other variable such as the location of ball and the positioning of the players. Would Siggy have been offside if the ball to Berisha hadn't been played inspite of the identical situations? Would he have been in position if the roar player had ran at him Siggy executed a tackle? Can we rely on our sense data for to judge the distance between the players? Are we referring to the same siggy? I know a ginger cat named siggy who could be out of position. 

Freaky!

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over 13 years ago

Have we had the discussion about Theoklatos now just calling himself Theo?

All Goalkeepers should now in response shorten their name to 4 letters. Paston should be Past and Moss can be...Moss

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over 13 years ago

In my state I do remember yelling "you flap more than our mascot!" At him. 


Allegedly

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asmodeus_82 wrote:

ginger_eejit wrote:

 I very much like the idea of a Schroedinger's Siggie, Sigmund is simultaneously both holding his defensive position and also closing the player down, the impacting random event being the Queensland player running with the ball, his invites the aforementioned Bohr effect of the causality of observation, our role as the observer defines the final observed state as "out of position"

Is this observation an identical shared experience?, as we progress through Descartian metaphysical solipsism, we can only be sure our own experience is true, if we apply the indiscernibility of identicals, you, I,  the rest of the Yellow Fever shared the experience of Sigmund being out of position, this experience being described as identical, but as the experience, although described as shared, is purely a number of self experiences that are identically described, we cannot prove that Sigmund was out of position, as that is beyond the self

Yes epistemologically there is no Truth capital T in the human experience. We only have truth little t. The truth we can gain from our A Priori systems in themselves and how they reflect reality is all we really have for knowledge. By A Priori systems I mean for instance mathematics, linguistics physics to a lesser extent.. By the virtue of the rules it is true that 2+2=4 or that doe is a female deer, that statement is true by virtue of the meaning of the words. But this knowledge is only of systems we create. To gain some credible knowledge of the outside world we construct systems to match our perceptions and then attempt to speculate on further matters beyond our perception by applying the logic of our A Priori systems. Sometimes these assumptions match up sometimes not.
Whether Siggy was out of position is an epistemically complex proposition. Even if our sense data yields the same perception and its not a mass hallucination, "out of position" is a relative term yet to be defined and seemingly related to other variable such as the location of ball and the positioning of the players. Would Siggy have been offside if the ball to Berisha hadn't been played inspite of the identical situations? Would he have been in position if the roar player had ran at him Siggy executed a tackle? Can we rely on our sense data for to judge the distance between the players? Are we referring to the same siggy? I know a ginger cat named siggy who could be out of position. 


So it's possible that the entity we refer to as Siggy was not "out of position", but that everybody and everything else - players, spectators, officials, seagulls, stadium, grass, air, all other life on this planet etc - was "out of position".

Edit: If so, then this is really going to mess with the offside rule.


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over 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

In my state I do remember yelling "you flap more than our mascot!" At him. 

Where's your Oklatos, Where's your Ok-la-tos!
Where's your Oklatos Where's your Ok-la-tos!

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over 13 years ago

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/The-big-five-answers--Round-3/50996

5. Can the Nix stop the flow?
The Phoenix not only stopped the flow, they almost caused a drought for the Roar. Aggressive, hard and in their faces, Wellington never let up when they didn’t have the ball and when they did they created plenty of chances themselves.

Paul Ifill, Leo Bertos and Louis Fenton all stamped themselves all over a first half where the Phoenix dominated the Roar, surging down the wide areas before crossing into the middle with pace and Fenton’s flick backheel towards a wating Stein Huysegems was all class, unfortunately he had already received the free kick.

Only a serious defensive lapse from the Nix allowed Besart Berisha to level things for the Roar and while both teams said they were happy with a point, the Phoenix probably should have got more from the game.

After three rounds Wellington remain the only undefeated side and they haven’t had an easy run, it’s been a good performance thus far that says a lot about the players and manager Ricki Herbert.


http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/The-big-five-questions--Round-Three/50701

5. Can the Nix stop the flow?
Melbourne Victory tried albeit unsuccessfully to stop the flow of Brisbane Roar’s game last weekend, giving up 23 fouls throughout the match, the highest of any team of the season to date, the tactic failed to work with the Roar pumping five past them.

This week Vince Lia has promised that Wellington will get up in the face of the Roar in a bid to shut them down and starve them of the possession they so crave, whether the Nix can effectively do that remains to be seen and may just be key to their success, to beat the Roar Welington will need to also control the bulk of possession, something they have been unable to do in either of their games this season, having just 47 per cent of the ball in each game.

The Phoenix though have a proud record at home and are a strong side, if anyone can shut down the Roar effectively it could be them.




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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

Quite a different assessment from Craig Foster and co on the World Game tonight. Showed Berisha's goal and two of Paston's saves, didn't bother showing Stein's goal, nor any of the half dozen chances we had, summed it all up with "Roar were extremely unlucky not to come away with the 3 points".

Actually they may have shown our goal but I was so busy chucking abuse at Foster I probably missed it.

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over 13 years ago

Outpost wrote:

Quite a different assessment from Foster and co on the World Game tonight. Showed Berisha's goal and two of Paston's saves, didn't bother showing Stein's goal, nor any of the half dozen chances we had, summed it all up with "Roar were extremely unlucky not to come away with the 3 points".

Yeah I saw some post match with Bozza who saying that Paston was our best and kept us in the match and we were lucky to hang on. I had just read the match stats Paston and Theo made two saves each, and we edged them out in both shots on and off target. WTF Bozza?
Had a good yell at the screen for showing me that.

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Outpost wrote:

Quite a different assessment from Craig Foster and co on the World Game tonight. Showed Berisha's goal and two of Paston's saves, didn't bother showing Stein's goal, nor any of the half dozen chances we had, summed it all up with "Roar were extremely unlucky not to come away with the 3 points".

Actually they may have shown our goal but I was so busy chucking abuse at Foster I probably missed it.

OP, found this today...watch from 2:27:00...
It'll make you LOL.
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over 13 years ago

Wow.

That butterfly affecting the match thread continuum ..and causing Siggy to be where he was/was not, is/is not or will/won't be... has sh*t to answer for.



  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 13 years ago

Seriously, if it turns out that Siggy was the only thing in the entire universe that was actually "in position" at that moment then he deserves a lot of credit.


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over 13 years ago

Outpost wrote:

Quite a different assessment from Craig Foster and co on the World Game tonight. Showed Berisha's goal and two of Paston's saves, didn't bother showing Stein's goal, nor any of the half dozen chances we had, summed it all up with "Roar were extremely unlucky not to come away with the 3 points".

Actually they may have shown our goal but I was so busy chucking abuse at Foster I probably missed it.



Did you expoect different from that self-aggrandising cock?

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over 13 years ago

Happy with the draw.  Disappointed with effort after we scored the goal.  Kind of seemed like we'd lost interest.  Wonder if playing to towards the fever zone in 1st half instead of 2nd upset our rhythm?


Siggy said post game that he blamed himself for the goal.

I agree with him, had he been less aggressive he'd have been back marking Berisha and he wouldn't have scored - it's what Dura would have done. Or if he was playing for the off side, then he needed to be aware of where Boxall was and get him in line.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 13 years ago

Outpost wrote:

Quite a different assessment from Craig Foster and co on the World Game tonight. Showed Berisha's goal and two of Paston's saves, didn't bother showing Stein's goal, nor any of the half dozen chances we had, summed it all up with "Roar were extremely unlucky not to come away with the 3 points".

Actually they may have shown our goal but I was so busy chucking abuse at Foster I probably missed it.

Would interesting to get  Foster on the podcast one day.
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Gourdie thinks we should expect better

I was thinking the same thing... I thought the Phoenix try to win the competition this year? You only can win it if you beat the top teams. There is not much to excuse.

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over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 Not on my watch.


That's exactly what I said when I heard the gov were going to scrap Roman numerals 

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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over 13 years ago


Lock this thread and put it in the Forum's Pool Room!


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over 13 years ago

axxaa wrote:

Outpost wrote:

Quite a different assessment from Craig Foster and co on the World Game tonight. Showed Berisha's goal and two of Paston's saves, didn't bother showing Stein's goal, nor any of the half dozen chances we had, summed it all up with "Roar were extremely unlucky not to come away with the 3 points".

Actually they may have shown our goal but I was so busy chucking abuse at Foster I probably missed it.

Would interesting to get  Foster on the podcast one day.


gloves, swords or pistols?

or you could just line him up against a wall and use all 3...


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over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:


Lock this thread and put it in the Forum's Pool Room!



I'm with him with the ba-doom-tish gify, emoticony thingy ... (where are those hiding please??) 
This thread needs to go into a YF Great Threads-of-Fire, Hall of Flame or some such repository for the fantastic, didactic, farci-castic, slap stick ..the good stuff anyway  ...for when we all need relief from the angst and a bit of mirth. 

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 13 years ago

Least the FFA didn't forget our stats this week...

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/stats-shot-|-round-3/51073

Wellington Phoenix v Brisbane Roar
Brisbane were unable to match their heroics of last week against Victory, as the Phoenix put up an altogether more successful resistance to the champions.

Possession: Phoenix 43% / Roar 57%
Shots on goal: Phoenix 5 / Roar 4; total: 9 / 6
Tackles: Phoenix 33 / Roar 24; effective: 77% / 71%
Completed passes: Phoenix 160 / 503; accuracy: 69% / 85%
Crosses: Phoenix 24 / Roar 9

It’s somewhat reductive to call this fixture a mismatch but that’s what it looks like on these numbers alone.

Brisbane, as we’ve come to expect, had the lion’s share of possession and completed an astonishing 503 passes, and 85 per cent accuracy.

Wellington, on the other hand, made 33 tackles – the most of any team in Round 3 – and just 160 passes – the lowest of any team in Round 3.

The difference in the way the two sides are constructed can also be seen in the crosses; the Phoenix utilised their ability on the wings to send 24 balls in the opposition are, while the Roar kept the ball mostly on the ground.

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over 13 years ago

Apropos of nothing much in this thread, other than the passing ref to passes completed in the previous comment, I was listening to the BBC Radio Scotland Scottish Football podcast in the bath tonight, and they were discussing the Barcelona v Celtic, one of the stats from that game was that Barcelona had almost 1000 completed passes in the game - sheesh!

When Hibs, went up, to win the Scottish Cup - I wisnae there - furfuxake!

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over 13 years ago

Least the FFA didn't forget our stats this week...

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/stats-shot-|-round-3/51073

Wellington Phoenix v Brisbane Roar
Brisbane were unable to match their heroics of last week against Victory, as the Phoenix put up an altogether more successful resistance to the champions.

Possession: Phoenix 43% / Roar 57%
Shots on goal: Phoenix 5 / Roar 4; total: 9 / 6
Tackles: Phoenix 33 / Roar 24; effective: 77% / 71%
Completed passes: Phoenix 160 / 503; accuracy: 69% / 85%
Crosses: Phoenix 24 / Roar 9

It’s somewhat reductive to call this fixture a mismatch but that’s what it looks like on these numbers alone.

Brisbane, as we’ve come to expect, had the lion’s share of possession and completed an astonishing 503 passes, and 85 per cent accuracy.

Wellington, on the other hand, made 33 tackles – the most of any team in Round 3 – and just 160 passes – the lowest of any team in Round 3.

The difference in the way the two sides are constructed can also be seen in the crosses; the Phoenix utilised their ability on the wings to send 24 balls in the opposition are, while the Roar kept the ball mostly on the ground.



24 crosses and I can't recall any hitting a Phoenix player.

Unbelievable difference in the number of passes too there.  Something to work on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 13 years ago

Least the FFA didn't forget our stats this week...

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/stats-shot-|-round-3/51073

Wellington Phoenix v Brisbane Roar
Brisbane were unable to match their heroics of last week against Victory, as the Phoenix put up an altogether more successful resistance to the champions.

Possession: Phoenix 43% / Roar 57%
Shots on goal: Phoenix 5 / Roar 4; total: 9 / 6
Tackles: Phoenix 33 / Roar 24; effective: 77% / 71%
Completed passes: Phoenix 160 / 503; accuracy: 69% / 85%
Crosses: Phoenix 24 / Roar 9

It’s somewhat reductive to call this fixture a mismatch but that’s what it looks like on these numbers alone.

Brisbane, as we’ve come to expect, had the lion’s share of possession and completed an astonishing 503 passes, and 85 per cent accuracy.

Wellington, on the other hand, made 33 tackles – the most of any team in Round 3 – and just 160 passes – the lowest of any team in Round 3.

The difference in the way the two sides are constructed can also be seen in the crosses; the Phoenix utilised their ability on the wings to send 24 balls in the opposition are, while the Roar kept the ball mostly on the ground.



Calling it a mismatch is a little harsh on Brisbane don't you think? ;)

Seriously though, I think that some of you are are just too in thrall of the "passing game". What on earth is the point of having 57% posession and making 500+ passes to only generate 6 shots on goal, 4 on target? Likewise, what the hell is up with your defence when you allow your opposition to get in 24 crosses, 9 shots on goal (5 on target) with only 43% possession and 160 completed passes? There were times in the second half when Brisbane were dinking it around when it was actually getting boring. They were literally going nowhere.

Yes, Brisbane were good, probably better than us overall, but there's no way that game should be called a mis-match.



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over 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

Least the FFA didn't forget our stats this week...

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/stats-shot-|-round-3/51073

Wellington Phoenix v Brisbane Roar
Brisbane were unable to match their heroics of last week against Victory, as the Phoenix put up an altogether more successful resistance to the champions.

Possession: Phoenix 43% / Roar 57%
Shots on goal: Phoenix 5 / Roar 4; total: 9 / 6
Tackles: Phoenix 33 / Roar 24; effective: 77% / 71%
Completed passes: Phoenix 160 / 503; accuracy: 69% / 85%
Crosses: Phoenix 24 / Roar 9

It’s somewhat reductive to call this fixture a mismatch but that’s what it looks like on these numbers alone.

Brisbane, as we’ve come to expect, had the lion’s share of possession and completed an astonishing 503 passes, and 85 per cent accuracy.

Wellington, on the other hand, made 33 tackles – the most of any team in Round 3 – and just 160 passes – the lowest of any team in Round 3.

The difference in the way the two sides are constructed can also be seen in the crosses; the Phoenix utilised their ability on the wings to send 24 balls in the opposition are, while the Roar kept the ball mostly on the ground.



Calling it a mismatch is a little harsh on Brisbane don't you think? ;)

Seriously though, I think that some of you are are just too in thrall of the "passing game". What on earth is the point of having 57% posession and making 500+ passes to only generate 6 shots on goal, 4 on target? Likewise, what the hell is up with your defence when you allow your opposition to get in 24 crosses, 9 shots on goal (5 on target) with only 43% possession and 160 completed passes? There were times in the second half when Brisbane were dinking it around when it was actually getting boring. They were literally going nowhere.

Yes, Brisbane were good, probably better than us overall, but there's no way that game should be called a mis-match.





Likewise though, what's the point in putting 24 crosses in when no Nix players get on the end of them?  The accuracy in the crosses we put in is very poor for the most part.

I do agree that the pass...pass...pass stuff can get boring - I hated watching Spain at the Euros just gone for example, mind numbing stuff! 

My point is mainly that when we do get it down and do quick passes with some attacking intent, we can look pretty good.  We just don't do it often enough and resort to the old 'get it out wide and get a cross in' tactic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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