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Phoenix vs Adelaide

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ozziebattler wrote:
Get back to reality


Anyone know Andrew Norris ? Tell him he's banned for being a cock.
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smudger wrote:
did anyone else think dat shane smeltz wasnt up to standard
 
 
for the 2nd week in a row he has been marked out of the game.
 
geat to see the guys playing with some heart and looking like they want to win - about time.
 
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"Gobble gobble" - Shane smeltz
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Please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please...

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Im hoping that dales sources are correct and he isnt pulling a feverish.
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Royal wrote:
Good on Costa for battling, but he wasn't near a flash as some are raving about on here. Ogre had his measure all day.
Great he scored a goal and he will benefit greatly.

Top effort from the side to get a point, but two things erk me.
1. Brown's tackle on Dodd when he was on a yellow and with so much of the game to go - dumb. What did he think would happen?
2. Bertos barge two minutes later when he was on a yellow - even dumber.
If the ref was consistent- and he was quite the opposite - then Bertos would have/should have gone as well and we would have had 9.

Shame Smeltz was off his game, he might have nailed the winner in the last two minutes in any other game.

great effort

Think me and the people around me must have watced a different game,because the general feeling was that Costa added plenty to the attack and gave us some much needed pace.Certainly dont think" the one who spits" had it all over him.Yes he made some mistakes but so did some others and along with Daniel and Leo we certainly seemed to be moving forward with more purpose than they have done in many games this season.

As for your other points i couldnt agree more we seem to give away some really dumb cards at times.But just how "the one who spits" only got a yellow for his charge on Mcain has gort me beat.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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that young lad with the Greek name that we've just signed is a bit good
 
shame we didn't have him on our books earlier
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Who was that kid? lol.
And who the hell were those randoms tagging along with the nix at the kings tonight?!
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Great result tonight, considering we played almost half with 10 men on the pitch. That has to be some of the best football I've seen the Phoenix play in a long time. Still things to improve, but much better to watch!

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Royal wrote:


Top effort from the side to get a point, but two things erk me.
1. Brown's tackle on Dodd when he was on a yellow and with so much of the game to go - dumb. What did he think would happen?
2. Bertos barge two minutes later when he was on a yellow - even dumber.
If the ref was consistent- and he was quite the opposite - then Bertos would have/should have gone as well and we would have had 9.


 
Agree with your thoughts on Bertos barge. It was completely blatant and I think many refs may have handed out a yellow for that. I'd say that ref would have too, if he hadn't given Brown his second yellow only minutes earlier.
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that jayfcak47 guys is onto it. i love him
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That was a very good goal from laid
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Costa dun good.
Daniel dun gooder.
Timmy Brown dun bad.

Was a good game! 
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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Me still not a daniel fan but he went down a notch in my loathe ladder after tonight.
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That was easily our best performance of the season (maybe Melbourne at home) but we were just brilliant. Costa was all over Ogger all day which was brilliant, especially considering Ogger being one of the leagues better defenders and an absolute meat axe.
The ref wasn't just bad, he was incompetent. An absolute disgrace to his profession, before he gave Browny the second yellow he had missed Costa flick the ball between two guys and then get tripped on the edge of the box. He was just incompetent, I'm thinking about writing to the FFA about it to get a response.
Manny was magic, finding space. Leo great as well, Lochy brilliant until he had to deliver into the box. Daniel was back near his best, the combination with Lochy was great as it was last season. Kwasi looked alreet when he came on, McKain magic. Overall I am just so proud of those boys tonight, they ran all night and put in the effort.
Also one of the best performances by the Zone of late, apart from some average timing we were great! You could sense the nervous energy!
Oh and im with News, please........

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Gangsta! wrote:
Am I the only one who finds the "OMG The referees are bias Just coz where from NZ" sydrome just a tad repedtitive, stupid, boring and unnesscary?


No you're not.  You are not alone. 
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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Definately our best performance. Possibly our best performance ever even though we didn't win. The commitment we showed when we went 1 man down was absolutely terrific. We dominated with 11 and we continued to dominate with 10. C
 
Thought that Costa was brilliant. You have to recognise the fact that he, unlike other youth players (Danning, Oar, Grant, Ryall etc.) has not had the youth league to get his match fitness up this season. To come in like that in your first start of the season against the best defender in the league was pretty impressive.
 
Thought that Lochy's crosses were pretty disappointing and Leo was a little hesitant to cross sometimes as well.
 
Re: Costa 'foul' before Timmy stupidly gave the ref a chance to card him (Dodd was always going to out run him and he went in with the shoulder anyway) - it wasn't a foul imo. Looked like no one got a touch on Costa.
 
Another disappointing crowd...Our crowds are worse than Perth's now :/

a.haak

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I thought that the referee was an absolute disgrace but that apart great effort from the boys tonight all the more so seeing as they seemed to not miss tim brown when he departed somewhat earlier than expected. Kwasnik seemed to be on to it when he came on and daniel seemed to be playing somewhat better than he has lately. Muscat I thought was great and dodd seemed as solid as ever. Arguably our best performance this season

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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Gangsta! wrote:
Am I the only one who finds the "OMG The referees are bias Just coz where from NZ" sydrome just a tad repedtitive, stupid, boring and unnesscary?
 
No. I hate it. Haven't seen the replay but at the game the second yellow card on Brown appeared to be justified. Not sure on the contact for his first card though.
 
 
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Replay show that costa wasn't fouled.

Ogg the big aussie defender was given the run around by our front line. To see the big guy kicking the ball out for a corner after costa got in front of him was fantastic. Costa hassled him all night.Though his first touch went walk about a few times.

Man that was a performance by the PHOENIX which I haven't seen for a long time. COMMITMENT was fantastic I was on the edge of my seat from the time Brown was sent off. Yes Brown's second foul was a yellow card but the first yellow he didn't even make contact with the player.
To the 8,000 odd supporters thanks for the great atmosphere.
Yellow Fever you are the best.
Hard News and all of you that run this forum thanks for everything you guys/girls have done as you have united the football community world wide that support KIWI FOOTBALL. Thankyou from a person that dosen't live in the capital but supports the game in NZ. 
I will be in NZ in Jan 2010 so will look forward to the ROF.
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perthphoenix wrote:

Replay show that costa wasn't fouled.



Then they had the wrong TV angle, happened maybe twenty meters in front of my seat and they got a fair chunk of him.

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Yes bopman I first thought he was fouled as shortly after that Brown was sent off.
But he wasn't.
Great move though.
 
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If it was Travis Dodd, it would have been a penalty...

That guy gets all of the 50/50 calls
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Cnut, Cnut..... that name sounds familiar... you used to be one of us didn't you? Now you just donut in with all the big wigs correct?

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That would have to rank as the best goal Wellington has scored this season. The movement, weight and quality of passes and cross in the build-up, and the final execution itself - top drawer.
 
A pleasing display, too - it's not often Wellington are deserving of three points in my book, but they were tonight. Against a defence less resolute than Adelaide's back four, they'd have got what they deserved, for mine.
 
As for the referee ... I regard Craig Zetter's display a fortnight ago as the worst seen this season, although tonight's clown was only marginally better. How Ognenovski remained on the park ... McKain couldn't continue as a result of that "challenge". Weak officiating.
 
One wonders when the FFA will do something about the quality of officials they appoint to this competition. At this rate, Peter O'Leary will be doing the Grand Final - great for him, and for NZ refereeing, but it speaks volumes for the gaping hole Mark Shield's premature departure has created in Australian officiating circles. Bring back Perry Mur!! :-))
 
While I'm thinking about it, when will the FFA do something about John Kosmina? That bloke seems to get away with blue murder! How many times this season has he been involved in contentious incidents and been given, at most, a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket?
 
The crowd figure this evening brought the total for this season's home games up to 79168, an average of 7197 per home game.
 
 
Cheers,
 
JR
 
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I feel sorry for the ref. 

He missed a good game.
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Agree comments by many on refs ... the crowd of just over 8, 000 any reason for such a smallish crowd in such a big game against the league leaders and Asian Cup finalist. 

Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei

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anniversary weekend so people maybe away and the face that it was pretty windy would put a lot of the wellington fair weather crowd off besides that dunno why no one showed up
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tigers wrote:
aside from a the inconsistent refereeing (which must surely bring a bit of discredit upon the league) that second half performance was as gutsy as anything i can recall, since our great come back v melb in the first ever game
 
great to see the team with 11 players, sat down knackered at the end
 
Manny - always fronts up and a great touch about fifteen yards out from the box bowt the 70 th min
 
siggy - folk hero
 
Mckain - my vote for mom, til ognenovski fouled him off the park
 
costa - added a presence up front that had their back four anxious for the entire time - to his credit he makes things happen and plays with intelligence
 
perhaps if the kind of effort we saw in the second half had been present in each game this season we might be in the play-offs by now (we still might make it but it's not entirley in our own hands)
 
above all, since that rocky start to the season we have regained our credibility over the last few months


Siggie should be man of the match for his cut inside and shot. a 6-yard box to 6-yard box defender.

great to see the whole team getting in behind Costa, and how great that he can make his (sorta) debut in an attack featuring Daniel, Smeltz and Bertos. Those three had great games too.

Great send off for Mossy and Smeltz. Tears and joy.


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It was great to see that the attack was still onwards with the ten men on the field. Everyone who had a chance to move from the back to move forward and add to the attack in the final third did so without a thought.

Great instructions were given to the backs. i.e. whoever is the back who started the movement follows the ball through the midfield and carry on as a temporary supporting 4th midfielder with the other backs covering his back. So that 4-3-2 formation worked well considering. Long sweeping runs by each of the backs and they took turns so each of them can recover. It was a great performance. Full marks to each of the back in coordinating this attack.

Doing the attacks along the wings and the odd push to the centre gaps and keeping the formation fluent was all hard work and the three midfielders keep their centre competitive and closed passing channels or make the other team attack stalling. The centre was very tight for Adelaide to attack and so it forced them wingside attack which is easier to defend.

The forwards were brave and not scared to try anything. The goal was straight out of Tony Carr's Youth Academy program.

Smeltz was constantly looking and was heavily marked but was at the end of great passes. I felt that maybe he need to just touch contact his finishing but as it, he was committed for to nab the space and little time to adjust for the final ball contact. One time I felt that he should have take his gut instincts and try to chip the keeper from the right edge of the box and into the top left corner because enough gap with the keeper committed out of his six yards slightly forward out of position. This is were he was sent free on the right with on defender pressure. It was certainly not out of range for him. Instead he slowed down, twisted and turned and spilled the ball against a recovering defender. There was only one other teammate in the box with another two defenders getting back then. So he should have took his gut instinct instead when it was at least 4 seconds to discover the one on one chip against the keeper. Most certainly, he worked his pant off because he was everywhere make as much of the space and attack. He was almost back on our 18 yard box at one stage because he was that busy in the midfield.

Costas, Daniels, Bertos all combined well. I have to say they were our new holy trinity with Costa replacing the departed Gao. Costa did much more in that game than Gao did in three games. He did what we wanted Gao to do all season.

Even Kwasnik had a a good sub in. Looks like Ferrante may be to be in for Brownie next week. Kwasnik may get a bit more go next week, but it hard to say at the moment.

The only shame was that Reid goal. The midfielders were not coordinating their midfield marking as to the central defenders Siggy and Dodd. Siggy should have known that Manny had his man and should have shift left and pushed on to the free midfielder and not Dodds to leave a free attacker (and forward moving mid) to push up on to the ball carrier.

Anyway, since we didn't have any of the midfielders picking the three midfielders and two attackers, it was a defacto 6 v 3 with the double marking of manny and siggy on the one player and Dodds marking both an attacker and moving midfielder but was forced to take the midfielder with the ball, it was always diifficult even if we had Siggy and Dodds co-ordinated better. The numbers was still against them. Reid had a low pressured two seconds to whip that goal up. So it was a stink formation shape by the team that allowed their goal.

It really shouldn't happen at this level but, that's football that can happen at any level.

On a positive note, there was heaps of accurate passes that keep our pressure on. There was a few missed passes by the Adelaide team that helped give ball to our midfield.

I was given an impression that Adelaide was desperate and trying too hard to save face that they made unforced passing errors in the middle third. The midfield pressure them into mistakes and rode rough that paid dividends as well as collecting yellow cards. Plenty of professional fouls in this type of fast game.AllWhitebelievr2009-01-19 03:17:43
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Pretty good game yesterday.  We really should have won it though.  Tim Brown had to have received two of the softest yellow cards I've ever seen.  Pity they can only be appealed in the case of mistaken identity (I think), because that was woeful officiating.  Usually I can see the ref makes mistakes that go against us but they tend to even out by the end of the game, this time though, the ref was poor - below poor.  Costa played really, really well and I have to say that we played an entertaining game of football today.  Smeltz should have shot earlier with some of his opportunities but oh well.  Kwasnik also did well while Ferrante was invisible bar when he tripped over the ball in a breakaway attack.

I don't remember the attendance being shown for the game, does anybody know what it was?  It looked larger than usual.
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Was the best performance at home and pretty much what I expected we'd see all season but didn't. Poor discipline probably cost us the win and blaming the referee doesn't change the fact that we gave the referee the opportunity to bring out the red card. I suspect chanting "trhe referee is a w**ker" doesn't entirely help us get the most out of the ref though.

It's really disappointing when we go down to ten but as I've noted here before, every referee and linesman in every match I've ever played in or watched, has been biased towards the other team. 
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Great performance yesterday - pace, passion, width, creativity - all those things we don't usually associate with our team.  They looked like they wanted it which makes last week's result all the more disappointing to me given the CCM result this week.  Definitely a missed opportunity. 
 
The tragedy is what we are going to miss out on next season.  Costa and Smeltzy would have made a great front two I reckon. 
 
As for the crowd number, yes it was disappointing.  But until we can start to play like that most weeks I can't see the numbers being any better next season. 
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Superb effort from everyone out there. Costa was lively and put their solid defence under pressure and scored the goal (what a move!). Our defence was solid and we were really attacking, even after the red card (the first one a booking?!). Agree with most about the refs. Cant really see us getting a win away at Melbourne, but anything is possible! Just gotta hope that we do, and that Adelaide do us a favour.
 
But, I was really proud of the team.
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clark007e wrote:
anniversary weekend so people maybe away and the face that it was pretty windy would put a lot of the wellington fair weather crowd off besides that dunno why no one showed up


Loads of people showed up - We must still have the biggest crowds in the league when you go by percentage of population.
8000+ from 350,000 is 2.3%
compared to Melbourne's 20,000 on Friday from 4 million population - 0.5%

For some reason, some seem to think that we'll get the same amount of people will going to the match as they do in Aussie. If we had Melbourne's population and 2.3% still turned up we'd need a stadium to hold 92,000 each week


Royal2009-01-19 08:37:46
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Royal wrote:
clark007e wrote:
anniversary weekend so people maybe away and the face that it was pretty windy would put a lot of the wellington fair weather crowd off besides that dunno why no one showed up


Loads of people showed up - We must still have the biggest crowds in the league when you go by percentage of population.
8000+ from 350,000 is 2.3%
compared to Melbourne's 20,000 on Friday from 4 million population - 0.5%

Some seem to think that we'll get the same amount of people will going to the match here as they do in Aussie for some reason. If we had Melbourne's population and 2.3% still turned up we'd need a stadium to hold 92,000 each week


 
Fair point, but a high percentage of the population turning up to a match, if that actual crowd number is still low, won't pay Terry's bills.
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Agreed, but we (and Terry now) can't expect 2-3 times more people to show up when we are already getting more people to a game than across the tasman (per capita). We live in a small city, whereas Adelaide, Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane, Perth are all 1 million+
Newcastle has a similar population to Wellington and they had 6,500 yesterday

When you look at the figures, we get 4-5 times more people than Melbourne did, despite them being equal top on the table and with the their cultural diversity - people that are supposedly passionate about football. Crowds are bad - it's an FFA problem, not the Nixs'. 
Royal2009-01-19 08:56:19
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Royal wrote:
Crowds are bad -. 


How so?
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
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Crowds will fix themselves if they start next season at home by playing the same way as they did yesterday.Our early season poor form would not have helped in any way in attracting new fans.More of what they gave us yesterday and they will come.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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