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Phoenix vs Malben - Match Thread

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Feverish wrote:
Tony P wrote:
Gary Abblet wrote:

I think this year our great goalkeeper could be found out. He was very very poor yesterday and remember how many goals were let through last year!!!! I thought we had soughted out our defensive problems.......Also I know our CEO loves Victoria but is Muscat really up to it...Smacks of jobs for the boys

A very angry

GA Jnr

 

 
This has nothing to do from where I come from. Manny has played very well and has deserved his spot. Yesterday he was found out against a good team nothing more. We are all disappointed but we have the team to bounce back and we will.
 
that 'Jobs for the Boys' post wins my worst post of the year award. Well done.
 
Hear hear - casting aspertions on the character of our CEO is totally uncalled for - a bit of a rush of blood to the head me thinks.
 
Moss did have a poor game but last year he was superb as he had been in the pre-season cup. We all have bad days at the "office" - he'll bounce back.
 
I have been pleased with Muscat as a fill in for Lia but Allsopp was hugely impressive yesterday and would have skinned most full backs in the form he was in. I still think Muscat will be a good squad member and full back back-up but I would like to see what Mulligan can offer as a starter.
 
 
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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sh*t stirring more like

Allegedly

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Hard News wrote:

Nickel wrote:
Good thing Archie Thompson wasn't on the pitch really.
Allsopp > Archie
Not that I'll get anyone agree with me when I disagree with all-knowing football oracle Hard News, but no. Completely wrong.

Allsopp is a f**king donkey and it was some sh*tty football that made him look good. Sure, some Melbourne fans aren't exactly enamoured with some facets of Archie's play, and he's terribly overrated by some, but he's better than Allsopp. Much better.

If there's any Melbourne fans that would prefer to keep Danny more than Archie, I'd be quite surprised.

As for the game, well, it was the first home game I have ever missed, including pre-season, but I'm not exactly shattered that I didn't go.
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I think you've fallen for an HN  windup...
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kiwi pie wrote:
I think you've fallen for an HN� windup...
Crap. Upon reflection, I think you may be right. Oh well, I'll leave it there as testament to how gullible I am. lol.
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We've all done it, don't worry!
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Stevo wrote:
Didn't get to sleep till 5 this morning...lightweight Muscat, that Smeltz pass, the Moss brain explosion, McKain's crunching tackle.
 
10% of the season has now gone.  20% of our home fixtures.  Gone.  One f**king home point. 
 
Can we get anything out of Adelaide?
 
Or is our season doomed? 


Two games. Eighteen to go.

Thats 54 points there for the taking!!!

Central Hawkes Bay Nix
and tragic follower of Charlton Athletic 
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Actually, 19 to go. 57 points.
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Allsopp is underestimated. Take him out of the Melbourne attack on Sunday, would have meant we would have won (eventhough we played that bad!)
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Great call Feverish - Tony - I wouldn't even waste your time repying to trash like this
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aussienixfan wrote:
Hard News wrote:

Nickel wrote:
Good thing Archie Thompson wasn't on the pitch really.
Allsopp > Archie
Not that I'll get anyone agree with me when I disagree with all-knowing football oracle Hard News, but no. Completely wrong.

Allsopp is a f**king donkey and it was some sh*tty football that made him look good. Sure, some Melbourne fans aren't exactly enamoured with some facets of Archie's play, and he's terribly overrated by some, but he's better than Allsopp. Much better.

If there's any Melbourne fans that would prefer to keep Danny more than Archie, I'd be quite surprised.

As for the game, well, it was the first home game I have ever missed, including pre-season, but I'm not exactly shattered that I didn't go.
I would be more than happy if we managed to sign a donkey like him.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Poeple were quick to jump on Dodd last week but we missed him yesterday. Both Roar and Victory has big front men - againt the Roar we managed to contain them but yesterday they ran riot. Durante is not the strongest in the air and neither is Johnson or Ferante.
 
Whist Dodd's disribution was poor against the Roar he "stopped" alot.
 
Yesterday's conditions seemed to be more suited to a Dodd / Coveny as opposed to Kwasnick / Johnson - hindsight is a great thing!!
 
What about Durante in the DM postions - Dodd and McKain centre backs - had Durantee played midfield before?
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nz300170 wrote:
What about Durante in the DM postions - Dodd and McKain centre backs - had Durantee played midfield before?
 
Here's an idea - let's play midfielders in the midfield and centre backs at centre back.
Whitby boy2008-08-25 20:20:42
He dribbles a lot and the opposition dont like it - you can see it all over their faces. (Ron Atkinson)
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i agree with WB, play players where they are best, and why not have a real mid field rather than two DMs and some floaters. 
I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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Wolfben wrote:
Allsopp is underestimated. Take him out of the Melbourne attack on Sunday, would have meant we would have won (eventhough we played that bad!)
 
This is quite true. He's very inconsistent though, and I know he frustrates the hell out of the Tards. On another day he would have stuffed up those chances and we would've been fine. You watch, next week he'll probably be blazing over the bar from three yards out.
 
 
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Maybe I watched a different team last year but Im sure Dodd played centre back and was one of our better performers.
 
All im saying is our back four got bullied last night and we will certainly be targeted there in weeks to come - Mckain, Durante and Dodd are more than a match but in what formation?
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i'd consider dropping Durante for Dodd against teams with the stronger and taller forwards, Jon Mckain has impressed me just a bit more than Durante has.
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BTW could someone mention to the TV commentator that Roddy's surname is Vargas, pronounced "Var-gis" not "Varg-arse" as he constantly went with yesterday.

Unless it was a deliberate piss take, in which case good work that man, carry on.
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Get rid of Moss and Muscat....
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StopOut wrote:
Wolfben wrote:
Allsopp is underestimated. Take him out of the Melbourne attack on Sunday, would have meant we would have won (eventhough we played that bad!)
 
This is quite true. He's very inconsistent though, and I know he frustrates the hell out of the Tards. On another day he would have stuffed up those chances and we would've been fine. You watch, next week he'll probably be blazing over the bar from three yards out.
 
 

He received the same criticism when he was with us (Notts County), at times he was a cult hero at Meadow Lane, other times he was public enemy no.1.

Personally, I hate us having to play him. His physical presence is enough alone, but the pace aswell...
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kiwi pie wrote:
BTW could someone mention to the TV commentator that Roddy's surname is Vargas, pronounced "Var-gis" not "Varg-arse" as he constantly went with yesterday.

Unless it was a deliberate piss take, in which case good work that man, carry on.

Pissed me off too.

We've also had Cove-nee in our team aswell.
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Totally agree.Defence was dreadful.
Don't know what has happened to the much vaunted 'new' defence?Very little sign of it on Sunday.
The back four looked scared to death every time Melbourne ran at them.
Can't believe how many square or backward passes we make in our own half between defenders.
Other teams just need to sit and wait then pick them off.
 
Worst thing is we are not learning,same old mistakes week in week out.
Ater last year can forgive Moss one bad game,McKain looks class apart compared to Durante,but he can't do it on his own.Whoever plays in the back four,they all need to grow a pair of large ones and let the other teams know they are there.At the minute is way too easy.
 
 
Wrap Smeltzy up in cotton wool between games cos if he gets injured we are stuffed as far as scoring goals goes.No one else looks remotely capable of getting a goal.
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Worthy one wrote:
 
Wrap Smeltzy up in cotton wool between games cos if he gets injured we are stuffed as far as scoring goals goes.No one else looks remotely capable of getting a goal.
That even more than any defensive problems is what scares the Bjesus out of me.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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ballane wrote:
Worthy one wrote:
 
Wrap Smeltzy up in cotton wool between games cos if he gets injured we are stuffed as far as scoring goals goes.No one else looks remotely capable of getting a goal.
That even more than any defensive problems is what scares the Bjesus out of me.
 
To be honest, this is worrying me long term too. I think the defence will get sorted out over the next few weeks, but there is no backup in the striking department. Kwasnik just looks off the pace: in two games so far he's shown very little penetration or skill. Coveny was great in his day but he's hardly going to strike fear into opposition defences.
 
If, God forbid, Smeltz does a hammy it's hard to see how could make the top four.
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Back four: Durante, Dodd, McKain, Locky

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Oi Oi Edgecumbe wrote:
Back four: Durante, Dodd, McKain, Locky
You been sleeping on the job where's our match ratings.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Worthy one wrote:
The back four looked scared to death every time Melbourne ran at them.
 
 
I was scared to death everytime they ran at them as well
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I don't know who was worse on Sunday, the Nix or the ref??


That ref was terrible, all you had to do was fall over and it was a free kick.

The Nix (apart from Smeltz and Hearfield) were absolute  rubbish!!

Thats all folks..
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Hmm indeed.

I'd agree that, from our point of view, the goals were shockers but from my seat on the couch the Tards were easily the better side and, unfortunately, the Melbourne penalty was a stonewaller. Even Stevie Wonder would have seen that as a penalty.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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StopOut wrote:
ballane wrote:
Worthy one wrote:
 
Wrap Smeltzy up in cotton wool between games cos if he gets injured we are stuffed as far as scoring goals goes.No one else looks remotely capable of getting a goal.
That even more than any defensive problems is what scares the Bjesus out of me.
 
To be honest, this is worrying me long term too. I think the defence will get sorted out over the next few weeks, but there is no backup in the striking department. Kwasnik just looks off the pace: in two games so far he's shown very little penetration or skill. Coveny was great in his day but he's hardly going to strike fear into opposition defences.
 
If, God forbid, Smeltz does a hammy it's hard to see how could make the top four.
 
if (and it's not that hard to imagine over the course of a season) Smetzy did pick up a knock, perhaps a Coveny/Hearfield front pairing might cause defences a few problems
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If we keep playing the way we are there's not much of of us making the top four at all! With or without Smeltz.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Fact.

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oh that's a dissappointing response from our guys. our penalty was never a penalty, theirs was a much better shout. we played poorly, they adapted well to the conditions. i thought all 3 of their goals involved considerable skill and good play and weren't just gifts. the guy that got the intercept put in a great through ball for allsop who in turn provided a really nice finish, for example. jeez some humility wouldn't go astray.
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They played the better tactical game by some marging.  They spotted a swimming pool and launched it long, plus Alssopp was excellent.

Actually it would be interesting to see what those slamming Stu Jacobs have to say on this.  Better to lose trying to play controlling football on a pitch not up to it, or better to try and win  ?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
They played the better tactical game by some marging.  They spotted a swimming pool and launched it long, plus Alssopp was excellent.

Actually it would be interesting to see what those slamming Stu Jacobs have to say on this.  Better to lose trying to play controlling football on a pitch not up to it, or better to try and win  ?
 
if we played the long ball game and still lost, they'd be bagged regardless. if we won then we would be praised for adapting to the conditions. if we won playing how we did then we would also be praised for playing good football. so in summing up when you lose you get bagged, when you win you get praised.
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I'd have thought the moment the first pass stopped, floating in a puddle, you'd make a quick call on the viability of your tactics.

One of the goals came directly from that.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
I'd have thought the moment the first pass stopped, floating in a puddle, you'd make a quick call on the viability of your tactics.


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Hard News wrote:
I'd have thought the moment the first pass stopped, floating in a puddle, you'd make a quick call on the viability of your tactics.

One of the goals came directly from that.
 
i agree, im just saying that if melbourne lost theyd probably be criticised for playing long ball boring route one football.
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Many Melbourne fans are so stupid they managed to bag Ernie for the 6-0 final win over Adelaide so I think we'll ignore them.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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