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over 13 years ago

 So apparently in the fraction of a second Paston had to react he is supposed to have advanced 2 metres and thrown himself full stretch to the right?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

Okay. Good point. Thought 3 were up for grab for most if the game so a bit disappointing still but great result away from home. 

With the Paston stuff: he couldn't have saved it as it was a great finish across him from smeltz. But it does get pretty annoying seeing Paston just stand there. I get the feeling that even if the shot was 1m away from him that he still wouldn't have moved. You see it quite regularly with him these days. It's probably a bit mean to point out that goal as one to bring all the hate, but it's been going on for a while and with Moss on the bench wasting his prime it does get frustrating. 

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over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 Can I just point out that bagging out Paston after he made 4 or 5 key saves or plays for us smacks of pettiness.  Smeltz is a great finisher, Siggy made his one mistake of the game coming out of the line and left Smeltz too much room, with that much room it could be Casillas, Buffon or 2ndBest and a player of Smeltz' class will still score that goal.


I ordinarily wouldnt give a shit, as you said he made some keys saves vs. 1 which ended in a goal conceded. But he fluffs his lines too often for a first rate keeper.
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over 13 years ago

 Except you make a huge assumption that the key impacts Paston had would have been done by Moss.  Mossy may have been in the wrong spot and not got a leg to that early save or we could have been down by two. 

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over 13 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

There was no reaction from him though anyway, he needed to close the angle to be able to react

That makes zero sense.

No it doesnt. Sitting too flat left him too far from the ball, thus no attempt to make a save. Closing the angle, although reducing reaction time, would have got him within reach if he made an attempt.

Would? So it is his fault then.
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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

Hard News wrote:

 So apparently in the fraction of a second Paston had to react he is supposed to have advanced 2 metres and thrown himself full stretch to the right?


Who said 2 meters?. Christ even if he didnt come out it wouldve been nice to see him fling himself out anyway for a change...
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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

The 4-3-3 seemed to just be a way of making the 4-5-1 sound more attacking. Brockie seemed to be a bit lonely for long periods of the game.

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over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 Except you make a huge assumption that the key impacts Paston had would have been done by Moss.  Mossy may have been in the wrong spot and not got a leg to that early save or we could have been down by two. 


Where did i suggest that Moss wouldve made this magical save? Youre right, Moss or any other keeper couldve been anywhere.

Again, im not blaming Paston for the goal, im simply saying he didnt do a hell of a lot to help reduce the chance of conceding. Most keepers would make a dive even if they knew they probably wouldnt get to it, at least then you can say he made an attempt and did all he could
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over 13 years ago

 AJ13 feel free to pop down to Wellington College tomorrow between 10 and 1 to run the goalkeeping sessions I do for Capital Football.

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over 13 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

 Except you make a huge assumption that the key impacts Paston had would have been done by Moss.  Mossy may have been in the wrong spot and not got a leg to that early save or we could have been down by two. 


Where did i suggest that Moss wouldve made this magical save? Youre right, Moss or any other keeper couldve been anywhere.

Again, im not blaming Paston for the goal, im simply saying he didnt do a hell of a lot to help reduce the chance of conceding. Most keepers would make a dive even if they knew they probably wouldnt get to it, at least then you can say he made an attempt and did all he could

So given Sigmund and Durante we at more fault that Paston, are they shit too?
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over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

 AJ13 feel free to pop down to Wellington College tomorrow between 10 and 1 to run the goalkeeping sessions I do for Capital Football.


No need to, Id assume you've already taught the basics.
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over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

 You just want a sleep-in.


Fact
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over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

 Except you make a huge assumption that the key impacts Paston had would have been done by Moss.  Mossy may have been in the wrong spot and not got a leg to that early save or we could have been down by two. 


Where did i suggest that Moss wouldve made this magical save? Youre right, Moss or any other keeper couldve been anywhere.

Again, im not blaming Paston for the goal, im simply saying he didnt do a hell of a lot to help reduce the chance of conceding. Most keepers would make a dive even if they knew they probably wouldnt get to it, at least then you can say he made an attempt and did all he could

So given Sigmund and Durante we at more fault that Paston, are they shit too?

lol why you mad?
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over 13 years ago

A part of me is thinking that it might have been good for us to lose, just to see the angst rise to the surface.



I'm sorry (but at least I don't bet against us).


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over 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

A part of me is thinking that it might have been good for us to lose, just to see the angst rise to the surface.



You're a DISGRACE

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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over 13 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

 Except you make a huge assumption that the key impacts Paston had would have been done by Moss.  Mossy may have been in the wrong spot and not got a leg to that early save or we could have been down by two. 


Where did i suggest that Moss wouldve made this magical save? Youre right, Moss or any other keeper couldve been anywhere.

Again, im not blaming Paston for the goal, im simply saying he didnt do a hell of a lot to help reduce the chance of conceding. Most keepers would make a dive even if they knew they probably wouldnt get to it, at least then you can say he made an attempt and did all he could

So given Sigmund and Durante we at more fault that Paston, are they shit too?

lol why you mad?


I'm not the one callling players shit.
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over 13 years ago

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

A part of me is thinking that it might have been good for us to lose, just to see the angst rise to the surface.



You're a DISGRACE
I'm disgusted with myself.

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

Kiwi Hatter wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

A part of me is thinking that it might have been good for us to lose, just to see the angst rise to the surface.



You're a DISGRACE
I'm disgusted with myself.
twice it seems.

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

Hard News wrote:

 Except you make a huge assumption that the key impacts Paston had would have been done by Moss.  Mossy may have been in the wrong spot and not got a leg to that early save or we could have been down by two. 


Where did i suggest that Moss wouldve made this magical save? Youre right, Moss or any other keeper couldve been anywhere.

Again, im not blaming Paston for the goal, im simply saying he didnt do a hell of a lot to help reduce the chance of conceding. Most keepers would make a dive even if they knew they probably wouldnt get to it, at least then you can say he made an attempt and did all he could

So given Sigmund and Durante we at more fault that Paston, are they shit too?

lol why you mad?


I'm not the one callling players shit.

For Gods sake, don't mention MP

We're the WELLINGTON Phoenix

And this is our Home

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over 13 years ago · edited over 13 years ago · History

One thing about the game: it was highly enjoyable, in fact the most enjoyable of our games this year, with the possible exception of the first half against the Roar. Quality goals, lots of chances, some nice passing from both teams, all played in a tough, competitive spirit.

The team can feel very satisfied with their trip and have found some good form ahead of two important home games.

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over 13 years ago

Despite everything, great point. Still look average, still early. Hopefully we work it out. 

Fuck this stupid game

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over 13 years ago

Stuff reports:

Brockie, a focal point of the Phoenix attack, controlled a through ball nicely, outpaced Lucas Pantelis and then coolly slotted the ball past advancing goalkeeper Danny Vukovic to record his fifth goal in four games.


Hmmmmm

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 13 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

 AJ13 feel free to pop down to Wellington College tomorrow between 10 and 1 to run the goalkeeping sessions I do for Capital Football.


I think half the Paston haters would be a lot happier if he just hollywood flung himself at ones that he has no chance at getting.  I don't particularly understand that, but a lot of the criticism you see seems to be 'he didn't even try, he just stood there'.  I'm not even a big Paston fan, I think Moss is a better keeper, but some of the criticism this guy gets is just crazy.
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over 13 years ago

aitkenmike wrote:
I think half the Paston haters would be a lot happier if he just hollywood flung himself at ones that he has no chance at getting.


This. I know that flinging yourself about the place is what most people consider "good goalkeeping". I also remember what Richard Wilson said about Frank van Hattum: "he makes spectacular diving saves but he has to because he's out of position". Good on Pasty for not risking injury for diving for something he knows he won't get.

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over 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

 I also remember what Richard Wilson said about Frank van Hattum: "he makes spectacular diving saves but he has to because he's out of position". Good on Pasty for not risking injury for diving for something he knows he won't get.


Sack van Hattum!

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And this is our Home

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over 13 years ago

It was a good result on the road, Perth is a tough place to go to. Positives for me were that we managed to come back after going a goal down and we looked the most likely to win it at the end. Just wish Smeltzy would stop scoring against us, he had 1 decent chance and he took it.

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over 13 years ago


The Phoenix really turned up for this game- well played lads! A couple of points-

Brockie and Fenton- top drawer.

Smith, another great game. Why do all of our opponents try to kick him to death?

Paston- good lamp-post impression. Does he practice kicking every clearance to the opposition? (count them, I do every match).

Smeltzy, we love you man...but.......

Burns- still the Most Punchable Player in the A-League.

Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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over 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:
I think half the Paston haters would be a lot happier if he just hollywood flung himself at ones that he has no chance at getting.


 Good on Pasty for not risking injury for diving for something he knows he won't get.


Yellow Fever has officially become a cult

Normo's coming home

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over 13 years ago

If Paston doesn't dive enough, maybe we should think about getting Jeronimo as our goalkeeper.

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over 13 years ago

YF has become a cult because even though I think Moss is a better keeper and would rather have him starting I think the criticism that Paston doesn't throw himself at balls he can't get to is ridiculously unfair, and some people agree (while others disagree)?


Right.

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over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

We need to make changes. Things have gone cold

waited till we conceded to make the sub..disappointing. Especially when we were fairly low energy. Didn't realise Totori was injured, bit of a bummer kept waiting for him to come on and run around beating players and missing the goal in the heat.

If Paston had missed the chance Fenton did we'd all be bagging him, Brockie had a couple of bad misses too, but nice finish in the end. Couldn't belive the commentators were talking about a high foot on him, thought it might have been Harnwell, glad he isn't that much of a muppet.

Yeh I'm with Colvy, I think that 3 points were definitely up for grabs and we were half hearted about going for them. We've got this team of attackers, but we didn't use them fully. Ifill not having the impact of old this season yet. Waiting for him, Totori and Fenton to start adding to the goal tally. Smith doesn't have Brown's goal scoring presence in the air. Waffles had only 6 minutes or something, though Boyd wasn't bad when he came on- played a couple of good passes and made that shot though he didn't catch it. I don't see why we couldn't have had Waffles earlier though.

433 turned to 451. Hope we go to a bit more attacking formation and keep the promise of that first game. When does Sanchez get back? Or when do we sign Beckham?

If we keep a front three who would be the best on the evidence of that display?

Ifill, Brockie, Waffles?

Totori, Brockie, Fenton?

Or should we go back to a 442? Still don't feel outside the first game we've seen the team click. Do think Smith is being given more to do than he's capable of. What did Lia do yesterday? Was Timmy mark II.



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over 13 years ago

martinb wrote:

If we keep a front three who would be the best on the evidence of that display?

Ifill, Brockie, Waffles?

Totori, Brockie, Fenton?

Or should we go back to a 442? Still don't feel outside the first game we've seen the team click. Do think Smith is being given more to do than he's capable of. What did Lia do yesterday? Was Timmy mark II.



A front three of Ifill, Brockie and Waffles is definitely the best option in my opinion. Wouldn't like to see Totori starting as he is a player who should be running at tired defenders. I think Fenton could be interchangeable with any of the front three but I think he would be a bigger impact coming of the bench compared to the other three.
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over 13 years ago

Stein looked sharp when he came on. Perhaps should've been on a bit early to make a real impact. Hopefully will be reinstated to the starting line up next week.

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over 13 years ago

Grandadi wrote:


The Phoenix really turned up for this game- well played lads! A couple of points-

Brockie and Fenton- top drawer.

Smith, another great game. Why do all of our opponents try to kick him to death?

Paston- good lamp-post impression. Does he practice kicking every clearance to the opposition? (count them, I do every match).

Smeltzy, we love you man...but.......

Burns- still the Most Punchable Player in the A-League.

Fenton Top Draw??

Was quite average yesterday, turned into trouble too often and didn't take a golden opportunity at the start. Time he dropped to the bench.

One of Paston's better recent games.

Siggy, makes great last ditch tackles, but still gets caught out of position a lot (really annoyed with their goal, what was he doing??)

Bertos, playing like he's been a RB his whole career.

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over 13 years ago

Leo is doing well at RB, but wonder how much of that is because Ifill dropping so far back on defence?

I think part of the reason why Ifill hasn't been as much of a force this season is because he is using a lot of energy up tracking back. Hopefully as the season goes on and Leo keeps improving, we can strike the right balance for Ifill's workload at both ends of the park.

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over 13 years ago

Leo is doing well at RB, but wonder how much of that is because Ifill dropping so far back on defence?

I think part of the reason why Ifill hasn't been as much of a force this season is because he is using a lot of energy up tracking back. Hopefully as the season goes on and Leo keeps improving, we can strike the right balance for Ifill's workload at both ends of the park.

 was thinking this during the game.Great that he tracked back, right back to the goal line on at least 1 occasion, figured it would take it out of him too.


  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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over 13 years ago

martinb wrote:

Feverish wrote:

We need to make changes. Things have gone cold

waited till we conceded to make the sub..disappointing. Especially when we were fairly low energy. Didn't realise Totori was injured, bit of a bummer kept waiting for him to come on and run around beating players and missing the goal in the heat.

If Paston had missed the chance Fenton did we'd all be bagging him, Brockie had a couple of bad misses too, but nice finish in the end. Couldn't belive the commentators were talking about a high foot on him, thought it might have been Harnwell, glad he isn't that much of a muppet.

Yeh I'm with Colvy, I think that 3 points were definitely up for grabs and we were half hearted about going for them. We've got this team of attackers, but we didn't use them fully. Ifill not having the impact of old this season yet. Waiting for him, Totori and Fenton to start adding to the goal tally. Smith doesn't have Brown's goal scoring presence in the air. Waffles had only 6 minutes or something, though Boyd wasn't bad when he came on- played a couple of good passes and made that shot though he didn't catch it. I don't see why we couldn't have had Waffles earlier though.

433 turned to 451. Hope we go to a bit more attacking formation and keep the promise of that first game. When does Sanchez get back? Or when do we sign Beckham?

If we keep a front three who would be the best on the evidence of that display?

Ifill, Brockie, Waffles?

Totori, Brockie, Fenton?

Or should we go back to a 442? Still don't feel outside the first game we've seen the team click. Do think Smith is being given more to do than he's capable of. What did Lia do yesterday? Was Timmy mark II.




Giving Fred de Jong and Harry Ngata a real run for their money in the gobbledegook stakes, Harnwell's best quote of the night:

"It's devil eat dog out there, devil eat devil, that's the lay of the land".


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over 13 years ago

My wrist hurts from banging it on the table in excitement when Brockie scored.


End of an era.  Vinnie - It's over.

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over 13 years ago

I <3 Nix wrote:

My wrist hurts from banging it on the table in excitement when Brockie scored.



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