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Phoenix vs Sydney

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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Our centre back pairing seems to change every week because of injury and suspension. Quite annoying. Dodd was a bit off the pace last week so hopefully he'll be better against Sydney.

bopman wrote:
bigtobz wrote:
Was just having a chat to Silent Assasin who made the valid point- had this been last year we would have been calling up Old or O'Dor, instead of Dodd/Durante/a quality Siggy. One of the many reasons we sit where we do this season as opposed to last!

Thats one of the most sensible things i've ever heard you say, probably because someone else planted the thought though. Very very true however.

I would be shocked and stunned to see Daniel start this week, we will revert to the side that had been playing so well with Jon, TB and MF anchoring the midfield. Daniel was okay last week but certainly not sensational


And Ferrante was sensational? IMO Ferrante is simply not needed. Brown and McKain ably do the anchoring job.
valeo2009-01-09 18:29:17

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Ferrante is a completely different player imo. He is the only guy in the team who can play the big switch, when you have pace like Bertos, Hearfield, Lochy and Manny on the flanks you need guys with the ability to play the wide balls.

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Yes, but he barely ever seems to actually use it. Maybe he would use it more if he wasn't in the middle and was on the right flank.
valeo2009-01-09 20:56:55

a.haak

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Agent 47 wrote:
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Ok then but if Dodd does leave we should get a youth CB but for next season I think getting a youth team is now more important then ever. Or atleast loan out our players to like Team Wellington because how are we meant to develop talent in the long term. The Phoenix in my mind have only helped 3 NZ players so far in its history and they have been Sigmund, Smeltz and Moss but no youth players like it was suppose to.

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Disagree

With form, injuries and suspension, if there was no Dodd this weekend, would you want to put a Youth CB in alongside Durante?

You sign the best players that present themselves. If no one presents themself then go after a Youth CB. If Dodd walked next year and say Kevin Muscat said 'I want to play for you' you bloody sign him. If you can't get anything, then go the youth option. I'd also say we tried the 'Youth' option in Old and O'Dor and look how that worked. The young kid Kovacevic�that played for the Knights, another.�Youth CBs have been tried and rarely do they work.

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Plus the Nix can't loan players to NZFC sides. Been discussed 1000 times, needs regulation changes and exemptions to happen so just not even up for discussion
Well how about the smaller leagues over in Aus, Costa was loaned over there before the start of the season.
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wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Well how about the smaller leagues over in Aus, Costa was loaned over there before the start of the season.


Dude do a search for it. Its been covered so often. They can not loan to the NZFC sides. Read that carefully.
Agent 472009-01-09 22:00:04
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valeo wrote:
Yes, but he barely ever seems to actually use it. Maybe he would use it more if he wasn't in the middle and was on the right flank.


You are on fire!!!

Thats precisely were he should play. He is not a central midfielder in the attacking or the defending sense in anyway shape or form. He is a right half that has an amazing long pass.
Agent 472009-01-09 22:00:26
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Agent 47 wrote:


wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Well how about the smaller leagues over in Aus, Costa was loaned over there before the start of the season.
Dude do a search for it. Its been covered so often. They can not loan to the NZFC sides. Read that carefully.
Did you read my comment at all I didn't even mention New Zealand??
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wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:


wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Well how about the smaller leagues over in Aus, Costa was loaned over there before the start of the season.[/QUOTE]Dude do a search for it. Its been covered so often. They can not loan to the NZFC sides. Read that carefully.
Did you read my comment at all I didn't even mention New Zealand??


[QUOTE=wellyphoenixfan]Ok then but if Dodd does leave we should get a youth CB but for next season I think getting a youth team is now more important then ever. Or atleast loan out our players to like Team Wellington because how are we meant to develop talent in the long term. The Phoenix in my mind have only helped 3 NZ players so far in its history and they have been Sigmund, Smeltz and Moss but no youth players like it was suppose to.


Oh dear...
Agent 472009-01-09 22:31:02
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Agent 47 wrote:
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:


wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Well how about the smaller leagues over in Aus, Costa was loaned over there before the start of the season.[/QUOTE]Dude do a search for it. Its been covered so often. They can not loan to the NZFC sides. Read that carefully.
Did you read my comment at all I didn't even mention New Zealand??


[QUOTE=wellyphoenixfan]Ok then but if Dodd does leave we should get a youth CB but for next season I think getting a youth team is now more important then ever. Or atleast loan out our players to like Team Wellington because how are we meant to develop talent in the long term. The Phoenix in my mind have only helped 3 NZ players so far in its history and they have been Sigmund, Smeltz and Moss but no youth players like it was suppose to.


Oh dear...


comment = singular = 1

Aus= abbreviation for Australia

reading= didn't they get relegated...




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            moss
 
muscat Dodd Durante Lochead
 
        Brown   Mckain
 
Hearfield              Ferrante
 
      bertos         smeltz
 
I dont know what people will think about that but I have a feeling thats what it ill be like. Im sure daniel wont start. ricki may possibly play a 433 formation which would bring hearfield up front and bring ferrante into the midfield.
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whats the best possible outcome in the ccm v roar game tonight? draw or qld win?
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Yeah, I reckon we're trying to catch CCM - not QLD. CCM losing the next 3 and us winning the next 3 would make things easier :P
valeo2009-01-10 10:41:35

a.haak

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valeo wrote:
Yeah, I reckon we're trying to catch CCM - not QLD. CCM losing the next 3 and us winning the next 3 would make things easier :P
 
If CCM lose their remaining three, the Phoenix need just four points from their remaining three matches to pass them.
 
That would take the Phoenix to 29, which Sydney FC could also reach if they win their remaining three games, and their GD would be better.
 
So.....best case scenario - Phoenix beat Sydney tomorrow night to put them out of contention, then grab at least a point against one of Adelaide or Melbourne.....and for CCM to lose to Queensland tonight and to also lose to Melbourne and Adelaide in their last two games.
 
That would have the Phoenix finish fourth.
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Real nice Phoenix spread in the Dom sports section Friday. Full page cover of a big Phoenix bird swooping on Australia and then two full pages inside...including a big interview with Mossy.
Great to see such good positive news on the phoenix.
Whatever happens for the rest of the season we still have gained a huge amount of CREDITABILITY on both sides of the Tasman. No longer is NZ football a laughing stock. Big raps for Ricki and the boys for turning the season around. Good luck for Sunday....
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zinidane wrote:
Real nice Phoenix spread in the Dom sports section Friday. Full page cover of a big Phoenix bird swooping on Australia and then two full pages inside...including a big interview with Mossy.
Great to see such good positive news on the phoenix.
Whatever happens for the rest of the season we still have gained a huge amount of CREDITABILITY on both sides of the Tasman. No longer is NZ football a laughing stock. Big raps for Ricki and the boys for turning the season around. Good luck for Sunday....

you sure about that Yet the Phoenix surly are not.
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Was thinking last night: the Nix have gained 20/24 points v NSW teams this season.  Hopefully to be 23/27 in roughly 30-odd hours.  Theories?

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There are 3 NSW teams out of 7? :]

a.haak

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Agent 47 wrote:



wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:


wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Well how about the smaller leagues over in
Aus, Costa was loaned over there before the start of the
season.[/QUOTE]Dude do a search for it. Its been covered so often. They
can not loan to the NZFC sides. Read that carefully.[/QUOTE] Did you
read my comment at all I didn't even mention New Zealand??
[QUOTE]
Oh dear...
Yes but the bit you quoted said nothing about NZ: "Well how about the smaller leagues over in Aus, Costa was loaned over there before the start of the season." so unless the NZFC or Team Wellington is based in Australia your comment made no sense what so ever as I was talking about loaning players to Australian state sides and you said players can't be loaned out to NZFC sides????

And when I did talk about loaning players out to NZFC sides you had already told me this:
[QUOTE=Agent 47]Plus the Nix can't loan players to NZFC sides. Been discussed 1000 times, needs regulation changes and exemptions to happen so just not even up for discussion
wellyphoenixfan2009-01-10 18:32:40
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Why does Siggy have to have another injury ?
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Recurring Hip problem.
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Thanx . Why does it have to happen to the phoenix though ?
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I'm not sure how to answer that one.
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It's just not fair !
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lol.. We can survive
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about 17 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Easy !

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wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Agent 47 wrote:
wellyphoenixfan wrote:
Ok then but if Dodd does leave we should get a youth CB but for next season I think getting a youth team is now more important then ever. Or atleast loan out our players to like Team Wellington because how are we meant to develop talent in the long term. The Phoenix in my mind have only helped 3 NZ players so far in its history and they have been Sigmund, Smeltz and Moss but no youth players like it was suppose to.

 

Disagree

With form, injuries and suspension, if there was no Dodd this weekend, would you want to put a Youth CB in alongside Durante?

You sign the best players that present themselves. If no one presents themself then go after a Youth CB. If Dodd walked next year and say Kevin Muscat said 'I want to play for you' you bloody sign him. If you can't get anything, then go the youth option. I'd also say we tried the 'Youth' option in Old and O'Dor and look how that worked. The young kid Kovacevic that played for the Knights, another. Youth CBs have been tried and rarely do they work.

 

Plus the Nix can't loan players to NZFC sides. Been discussed 1000 times, needs regulation changes and exemptions to happen so just not even up for discussion
Well how about the smaller leagues over in Aus, Costa was loaned over there before the start of the season.
 
Jonny Evans would be one exception to the rule, at the worlds greatest team
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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And Djourou for Arsenal. And Leijer for Melbourne a couple of season back. And De Vere for QLD. Etc

Youth CB's often work. Especially if paired with an experienced CB partner (like De Vere with Moore)
valeo2009-01-11 00:01:03

a.haak

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COME ON PHOENIX 
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C'mon Phoenix finish off a great weekend of results.
This will be the first game in Sidnee without me there but I have full confidence in the lads.
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SYDNEY FC striker Mark Bridge says his side must nullify danger man Shane Smeltz if they are to return to the winner's circle against the Wellington Phoenix on Sunday night.Smeltz has set the Hyundai A-League alight this season netting 12 goals to lead all comers in the race for the Golden Boot award.

Bridge said: "I think if you close down Smeltz that's pretty much them gone.

"I mean he's a great talent and I'd love to have him on this team."

Phoenix have dominated the Sydney siders in recent times having taken maximum points from both encounters this season.

Asked to account for his side's lack of success against Wellington, Bridge explained: "They're just a grinding team, similar to the Central Coast Mariners but not as technically as good as the Central Coast.

"They match you physically, they hit you twice as hard, it's just a matter of matching them on the field and being just as intense and having that little dirty player inside of you to match them with the tackles I guess."
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/news/92488,stop-smeltz-and-you-stop-phoenix.aspx

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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I dont agree with that at all. yes smeltz is a great player but he only scores because theres a good team behind him that create chances. although I ve seen in the past when smeltz has been marked out of the game, we've failed to win, however now with hearfield and bertos more confident infront of the goal im sure that wont be an issue.
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That made me smile.
Is sydney really at that stage that all they have left is to attack us?
Bridge needs to remember that we may not be as good technically as CCM..
But we still beat sydney.
What does that say for your team Bridge?

Maybe instead of focusing on our top class striker, He should focus on their dud oneStefan2009-01-11 11:14:18
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True assesment by Bridge...but what are you going to do about it.? Its all very well to mouth off about being outmuscled but entirely different about combating it. Sydneys defense is a joke! Ok they might try to kick Smeltz off the park but Super Leo and Troy need to  try and take some of the heat off Smeltz. I would feel a little more relaxed if we did have another good goal scorer up front...Leo and Troy are not exactly prolific. sydney have their backs to the wall. if we score early they will crumble....what we do not want is them to score first and then have a tight close game.
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sebsational wrote:
I dont agree with that at all. yes smeltz is a great player but he only scores because theres a good team behind him that create chances. although I ve seen in the past when smeltz has been marked out of the game, we've failed to win, however now with hearfield and bertos more confident infront of the goal im sure that wont be an issue.
 
sorry but i agree with bridge. of course the Nix are a great player and everyone plays a part in Smeltzy's goals, but let's face it, he's the one who nets it!
at the same time I hope the Nix (not just Smeltzy) will prove him wrong. How cool would it be it Manny or Daniel got a goal eh?

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zinidane wrote:
True assesment by Bridge...but what are you going to do about it.? Its all very well to mouth off about being outmuscled but entirely different about combating it. Sydneys defense is a joke! Ok they might try to kick Smeltz off the park but Super Leo and Troy�need to �try and take some of the heat off Smeltz. I would feel a little more relaxed if we did have another good goal scorer up front...Leo and Troy are not exactly prolific. sydney have their backs to the wall. if we score early they will crumble....what we do not want is them to score first and then have a tight close game.
Moore said he would do it and he did, I agree with you can't say they can stop Smeltz with their defence but atleast they know they should try to.
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What are the TAB odds?

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Umm in sydney phoenix are paying $3.65, Draw $3.55, And sydney $1.88.
anyone else going to the game tonight?
I flew over from wellington yesterday(saturday)
Must put a bet on the phoenix. they are paying great odds
Think in NZ the odds are Phoenix $3.40. Sydney $2.00
santaclause2009-01-11 13:50:30
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Anyone know where to watch a live feed of tonight's match?
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valeo wrote:
And Djourou for Arsenal. And Leijer for Melbourne a couple of season back. And De Vere for QLD. Etc

Youth CB's often work. Especially if paired with an experienced CB partner (like De Vere with Moore)
 
Yeah it is rare though. They need to have a calm head and maturity beyond their years
Oh Wellington is wonderful. We got the wind, the rain and the phoenix. Oh Wellington is wonderful.
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