Wellington Phoenix Men

Playing Strip 2008/09

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Aris Kit for all Home games and Monaco for a colour clash kit (Away if required)
 
I dont see why the Nix couldn't wear the stripes in games at Melbourne or Perth.
 
Excellent suggestions and the club should really go for it when that rip-off Reebok  "backhander" deal finally expires or dies - whichever happens first.
Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Funny how this thread keeps re-appearing, eh?
 
I actually quite like the shirt we have at the moment, but some of the suggestions that have been posted on here would look pretty good.
 
As for the current strip being plain and boring, it doesn't seem to have done Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Rangers, Everton, Real Madrid etc, etc, any harm having a 'plain' strip!
 
 
Bear in mind that this has been posted by a fan of a team who play in red and yellow hoops
Jag2008-04-03 08:21:36

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I reckon the home strip should stay as is! perhaps make the away strip completely different.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Jag wrote:
 
As for the current strip being plain and boring, it doesn't seem to have done Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool, Rangers, Everton, Real Madrid etc, etc, any harm having a 'plain' strip!


Or Leeds United
Critical_Lemon2008-04-03 08:24:48
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Maybe not the best of examples there, CL!

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Yeah, I like our current strip and while there are a lot of great looking 'alternative' strips out there (and on here) I don't think we'll ever go too far from what we've currently got. Its all part of building the Phoenix image and since we've started with block black I wouldn't want to go too far away from that now. Good idea about the away strip though - keep changing that and gives people the opportunity to buy that one every year or to compliment their home strip purchase.
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Because it's part of the conditions of being an A-league club, it could possibly be grounds for expulsion if we refuse to wear the kit the A-League wants at this stage. I assume of course it's part of the contract between clubs and the FFA.
 
It's one thing for the FFA under the franchise agreement to hold the right to commit all clubs to a common kit supplier (currently Reebok), but why on earth should the FFA (or Reebok) be concerned about what colours and design any club wishes to choose.
 
The Phoenix playing strip (sadly, in my view, not the current one) has great potential for branding and marketing the club, both in New Zealand and Australia (and, hopefully, one day, in Asia), but especially in Wellington where the club is based and needs to source the majority of the 'bums on seats'.  In my view, this marketing / branding potential is currently very limited with a home strip that is basically all black and an away strip that is basically all white.  There are a number of points that can be made.
 
First, these playing strip designs lack any imagination and are too boring (no disrespect to those whose tastes on this differ).  They have been done so often in NZ sport, including most national representative sports teams, that they no longer have any effect or leave anything to the imagination.  They are not a mark of difference. Even the Football Kingz and NZ Knights played in basically all black strips.  I'm sure the club can be more imaginative and independent in building up its own image, style and culture, and should have the right to do so.
 
Second, the Wellington colours are black and yellow (not predominantly black).  Importantly, it's the colours the fans in Wellington and New Zealand identify and associate with as being "Wellington".
 
Third, the irony, and a lesson in itself, is that the vast majority of Phoenix's souvenirs and promotional material is black and yellow (witness, for example, the scarf and black and yellow tracksuit top, which, in my view, look stunning).  Additionally, the YF fan club support is strongly based around the black and yellow theme.  
 
Fourth, when the club was first formed, there were some marvellous and imaginative designs promoted by some of the YF lads, and there are further good examples posted above.
 
Fifth, having a common playing strip design for all the clubs is absolutely boring.  What a marketing and branding disaster by those who decided this and a lost opportunity!  Why should, as I understand it from this forum, Reebok insist on using a template for all playing strips - it doesn't seem logical?  After all, the strips would still carry the Reebok brand / logo.  If, for example, England's Newcastle United came to Reebok for a playing strip deal, Reebok wouldn't insist on Newcastle getting rid of its black and white stripes.  Instead, they would welcome Newcastle with open arms and ask "how can we please you?".  It would be a significantly better looking A-League if clubs were able to compete against each other in designing their own playing strips, rather than having this dictated to them by the FFA and Reebok.
 
Sixth, why is it that the club has to play in its away colours when not playing in Wellington?  This is a ridiculous requirement, unless there is a clash of colours, which I believe only happens when we play the CCM.  Once again, this is a lost marketing and branding opportunity for the club and Wellington.
 
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Rules are rules, and I guess things will hopefully change in the '09 season...... us in black really only clashes with the melbourne guys who's home shirts is dark blue, CCM's is this:
Melbourne

Queenslander 3x a year.

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axmfc wrote:
If, for example, England's Newcastle United came to Reebok for a playing strip deal, Reebok wouldn't insist on Newcastle getting rid of its black and white stripes.  Instead, they would welcome Newcastle with open arms and ask "how can we please you?".  It would be a significantly better looking A-League if clubs were able to compete against each other in designing their own playing strips, rather than having this dictated to them by the FFA and Reebok.



The difference here (and it's a huge one) is that Newcastle will sell 200,000 shirts a year, whereas even the Phoenix would sell maybe 2000, perhaps more in V1.  You can't make that comparison.

Look, we can whine about it all we like, but the FFA have a VERY tight deal with Reebok and it's a plastic league that is heavily regulated to ensure costs don't explode.  It's also part of why we don't have Yellow.  The Mariners have yellow and when you have eight teams, why bother with having a clash ?  Each team has it's own colour and identity to build.

Live with what we have, and love the strip we've got, at least we have one.


Hard News2008-04-03 10:14:11

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I understand we are obliged to use our current strip for the coming season, however if there is any chance of using something similar to this beauty.......
 
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Hard News wrote:
axmfc wrote:
If, for example, England's Newcastle United came to Reebok for a playing strip deal, Reebok wouldn't insist on Newcastle getting rid of its black and white stripes.  Instead, they would welcome Newcastle with open arms and ask "how can we please you?".  It would be a significantly better looking A-League if clubs were able to compete against each other in designing their own playing strips, rather than having this dictated to them by the FFA and Reebok.



The difference here (and it's a huge one) is that Newcastle will sell 200,000 shirts a year, whereas even the Phoenix would sell maybe 2000, perhaps more in V1.  You can't make that comparison.

Look, we can whine about it all we like, but the FFA have a VERY tight deal with Reebok and it's a plastic league that is heavily regulated to ensure costs don't explode.  It's also part of why we don't have Yellow.  The Mariners have yellow and when you have eight teams, why bother with having a clash ?  Each team has it's own colour and identity to build.

Live with what we have, and love the strip we've got, at least we have one.
 
 
I don't get this argument that imposing restrictions on clubs' choosing their playing strip designs ensures that costs are minimised.
 
The similarity of playing strip designs (irrespective of whether Reebok is the exclusive supplier) simply contributes to the A-League being, as you put it, "plastic". I in fact would argue the opposite.  Even if there really are some cost savings from standardisation, which probably are captured by Reebok, I believe that the benefits (for example, more 'bums on seats',  increased popularity) that would accrue to clubs from having the independence to create and market their own identies and cultures through their playing strips would far exceed any cost savings arising from standardisation.


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axmfc wrote:
Hard News wrote:
axmfc wrote:
If, for example, England's Newcastle United came to Reebok for a playing strip deal, Reebok wouldn't insist on Newcastle getting rid of its black and white stripes.  Instead, they would welcome Newcastle with open arms and ask "how can we please you?".  It would be a significantly better looking A-League if clubs were able to compete against each other in designing their own playing strips, rather than having this dictated to them by the FFA and Reebok.



The difference here (and it's a huge one) is that Newcastle will sell 200,000 shirts a year, whereas even the Phoenix would sell maybe 2000, perhaps more in V1.  You can't make that comparison.

Look, we can whine about it all we like, but the FFA have a VERY tight deal with Reebok and it's a plastic league that is heavily regulated to ensure costs don't explode.  It's also part of why we don't have Yellow.  The Mariners have yellow and when you have eight teams, why bother with having a clash ?  Each team has it's own colour and identity to build.

Live with what we have, and love the strip we've got, at least we have one.
 
 
I don't get this argument that imposing restrictions on clubs' choosing their playing strip designs ensures that costs are minimised.
 
The similarity of playing strip designs (irrespective of whether Reebok is the exclusive supplier) simply contributes to the A-League being, as you put it, "plastic". I in fact would argue the opposite.  Even if there really are some cost savings from standardisation, which probably are captured by Reebok, I believe that the benefits (for example, more 'bums on seats',  increased popularity) that would accrue to clubs from having the independence to create and market their own identies and cultures through their playing strips would far exceed any cost savings arising from standardisation.


 
Do you honestly believe that we'd get more bums on seats if the team played in different shirts?
 
 
That's funny......
danielsleftball2008-04-03 11:11:46
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The point is that, despite the fact that we all think it's unfair and we all think it would be better if the Nix could have had a free rein in designing their own shirts and we all think there are potentially better designs, the bottom line is that we're stuck with what we have at least until the Reebok deals runs out.
 
So why do we keep on having all this weeping and gnashing of teeth about the strip designs every couple of weeks. We might as well just reprint this thread every 2 weeks (and the 25 others before it which went over the same ground) 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Thanks DLB, you saved me from doing it.

Incidentally, my understanding (from reliable sources) is that even at the end of 5 years the FFA have every right and are highly likely to just sign everyone up with either Reebok or another supplier.  It is VERY unlikely the clubs will end up with an independent supplier right.

Stripes and things require 'sublimation' printing which is significantly higher cost than sewing different coloured bits of cloth together.  This is why there are no stripes, chevrons or examples of class such as DLB's old Swindon strip.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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I think the Reebok deal would have been about making sure the clubs would be able to secure kit suppliers, brand new clubs in a brand new league don't have much commercial pulling power for a huge multi-national company.

I hope HN's prophecy isnt correct and if the deals comes to an end I get the impression the club wants to impose it's (and our) ideas on the image of the club, incorporating more yellow into the kit being one. After all black is just the framing colour as far as provincial colours are concerened, the predominant colour is yellow as it is in the 'Naki, it's red in Canterbury, Blue with a white framing in Auckland.

Talking about our ideas for kits is wothwhile but maybe a little premature.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

For now, and not bothering with what kit might be nice one day

I'm not at all impressed with the way our mighty Phoenix has been embroided on to the shirts currently on sale, the stiching is so thick the Phoenix looks to be a pin head. 

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as far as provincial colours are concerened, the predominant colour is yellow
 
I'm sorry but where does this come from? Wellington were always black with a little yellow to me over the past 50 years.  Prove yourself sir.....
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Of Gorse it is (the top, not the RoF)HarryHotspur2008-04-03 15:54:44
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Stevo wrote:
 
Stevo
 
Love your posts, always good for a chuckle, but please do us all a favour and remove the gay porn from your postings.
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As worn by Tim Brown's brother Charlie:
 

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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From the interview just posted with Berty....
 
�And I didn�t have much luck in purple (Glory colours) so hopefully the change to white will be of benefit. I guess you could say it�s looking to re-ignite, yeah.�
 
Did someone tell him we weren't the Knights anymore?
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
How'd the Knights' partnership with Charlton go?

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Hard News wrote:
The Knights played in Black...


 
Hmmmm sorry.
 
Did nobody tell him we weren't Leeds anymore?
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Changed the image.

The link with Charlton was like every Aus side link with a European club.  Worth nothing.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
But still to the left-hand side. Under the left breast, where club badges generally go. 
 
I like the badges in the middle. That way when you're wearing a jacket, you've still got the badge on display.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I hate those tards but IMO Melbourne has the best kit in the league.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
I'll just repeat what I always say on these threads - black and yellow checks.
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almost 18 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
To be honest, our EURO 2008 strip is pretty awful. The girls look alright though.

http://www.forum.hr/showthread.php?t=323397
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haaha its the "changing my life guy"
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[QUOTE=el grapadura]To be honest, our EURO 2008 strip is pretty awful. The girls look alright though.
 
Ours is cool.
 
 
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