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Pre-season 2013/2014 - vs Phoenix B - Ring of Fire - Sunday

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over 12 years ago

Really really impressive performance. Huge improvement than two days ago but perhaps the pitch played a big role in that. Was a much bigger crowd there than I anticipated.. maybe 200-300 or so at a wild guess. We held possession better than I've ever seen.. can't recall the defence hoof the ball upfield on one occasion and most of the team were trialists. Petone hardly touched the ball to be honest. 

Stand out for me at least in the first half was Rufer. He looks a real talent. Hudson and Adams were also very impressive. I really like the look of Adams. 

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over 12 years ago
Boro4eva wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:

Stein finished with 4. another with his head. scored a lot with his head for a guy who supposedly can not head a ball this pre season

Yah..silence the doubters from last season.

You can't say that. You are letting the facts get in the way of the their reason for being here

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

Only got down for the 2nd half, and was pretty hard to see much at ground level and with kids buzzing all over the place and trying to hold a conversation. Ha.

In the 2nd I was impressed by Fenton again at RB, he does a lot of work and makes a lot of options. Still not tested much defensively though. Stein very good up front, and was also impressed by the young guy with a beard in the middle, but I have no idea who he was... he ran a lot and made quite a bit happen. Lyndsay gave a bit of ball away from memory, but someone put a cracking long range shot on near the end that just went over, and it might have been him.

But yeah, much better performance than Tuesday, and really good to see us holding possession for long periods.


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over 12 years ago
hlmphil wrote:

Only got down for the 2nd half, and was pretty hard to see much at ground level and with kids buzzing all over the place and trying to hold a conversation. Ha.

In the 2nd I was impressed by Fenton again at RB, he does a lot of work and makes a lot of options. Still not tested much defensively though. Stein very good up front, and was also impressed by the young guy with a beard in the middle, but I have no idea who he was... he ran a lot and made quite a bit happen. Lyndsay gave a bit of ball away from memory, but someone put a cracking long range shot on near the end that just went over, and it might have been him.

But yeah, much better performance than Tuesday, and really good to see us holding possession for long periods.



Justin Gulley. 
Yeah was impressive too, really lively. Has a lot of pace and looks an agile player. Was standing behind Ernie, he seemed impressed by him too, yelled out some encouragement to him on a couple of occassions, which is rare because he doesn't seem to speak much to his players from the bench.
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over 12 years ago

My thoughts on new faces:

Stevens: Short time on field before he went off but definitely looks to have a lot of potential and is super quick and mobile.

Hudson: Funny cause I was on the opposite side of the field so he was on other sde of the field and looked to make a few errors but obviously its hard to judge without much view. Just interesting that people said he was a standout.

Adams: Not the best RB. Siggy was rarking him up a lot to push forward. Definitely better at CB for me. Has good composure.

Rufer: Looks good on the ball and has pretty good vision for his age. I like his go-forward attitude, whether he carries it forward or takes the riskier forward pass option.Seemed to shrug off a few challenges quite easily.

Caira: Pushed forward well and very mobile getting forward and glided past players and got around the keeper well. Wasn't tested much defensively but seemed decent.

Lewis: Not as influential as other youngsters but seemed to push forward well and had a decent shot.

Lindsay: Quick goal when he came on then pretty much invisible. The more I see of him recently, the more I start to think he's not going to step up unfortunately.


Other youngsters like Gulley, Watson and Bertsch were all solid.
Hard to see Fenton on my side, but showed his pace on a few occassions but definitely doesn't come across as confident as he is further up the park.


A bit gutted I didn't see more of Carlos tonight


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over 12 years ago

I was on Hudson's side and he made some really good runs in the first half. Got into some major space, but the ball rarely got to him. Very impressed by his runs though.

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over 12 years ago

Good balls in as well. Really ripped them in at a difficult heightand depth for the keeper and Clarke isn't rubbish.

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over 12 years ago
Derbycam wrote:

I was on Hudson's side and he made some really good runs in the first half. Got into some major space, but the ball rarely got to him. Very impressed by his runs though.

Similar to Caira - often getting forward but not always getting the ball.
Caira seems to be more willing to cut inside rather than push wide and put a cross in. Likes to make short sharp passes and darting runs through the backline 


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over 12 years ago

Was impressed with a couple of the young guys sorry havnt got clue who they were and those around me wernt much help.If thats the style Ernie and the players are going to stick with it will do me.Plenty of talk from the players about keeping the ball down,buggar all of the hoof balls to clear from the back.Couple of nicely constructed goals and some bloody good crosses.

Who was the guy who played on the left at the back in the first half. 


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over 12 years ago
Doloras wrote:
valeo wrote:

Sorry, but that theory doesn't make any sense. ;) If you commit howlers under no pressure,  then it isnt exactly good for your confidence


True, but remember that the adrenaline of a real game situation can sharpen performance.

Bit of truth to both I think. I didn't like to throw myself round too much at training but didn't hesitate during a game. At one new club after my first game a player said to me that he didn't rate me watching me train but changed his mind when I played. A lot of it is mental too, I can see where Doloras is coming from.
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over 12 years ago
playwithFire wrote:

My thoughts on new faces:

Stevens: Short time on field before he went off but definitely looks to have a lot of potential and is super quick and mobile.

Hudson: Funny cause I was on the opposite side of the field so he was on other sde of the field and looked to make a few errors but obviously its hard to judge without much view. Just interesting that people said he was a standout.

Adams: Not the best RB. Siggy was rarking him up a lot to push forward. Definitely better at CB for me. Has good composure.

Rufer: Looks good on the ball and has pretty good vision for his age. I like his go-forward attitude, whether he carries it forward or takes the riskier forward pass option.Seemed to shrug off a few challenges quite easily.

Caira: Pushed forward well and very mobile getting forward and glided past players and got around the keeper well. Wasn't tested much defensively but seemed decent.

Lewis: Not as influential as other youngsters but seemed to push forward well and had a decent shot.

Lindsay: Quick goal when he came on then pretty much invisible. The more I see of him recently, the more I start to think he's not going to step up unfortunately.


Other youngsters like Gulley, Watson and Bertsch were all solid.
Hard to see Fenton on my side, but showed his pace on a few occassions but definitely doesn't come across as confident as he is further up the park.


A bit gutted I didn't see more of Carlos tonight



Not sure good vision has anything to do with age.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 12 years ago
Leggy wrote:
playwithFire wrote:

My thoughts on new faces:

Stevens: Short time on field before he went off but definitely looks to have a lot of potential and is super quick and mobile.

Hudson: Funny cause I was on the opposite side of the field so he was on other sde of the field and looked to make a few errors but obviously its hard to judge without much view. Just interesting that people said he was a standout.

Adams: Not the best RB. Siggy was rarking him up a lot to push forward. Definitely better at CB for me. Has good composure.

Rufer: Looks good on the ball and has pretty good vision for his age. I like his go-forward attitude, whether he carries it forward or takes the riskier forward pass option.Seemed to shrug off a few challenges quite easily.

Caira: Pushed forward well and very mobile getting forward and glided past players and got around the keeper well. Wasn't tested much defensively but seemed decent.

Lewis: Not as influential as other youngsters but seemed to push forward well and had a decent shot.

Lindsay: Quick goal when he came on then pretty much invisible. The more I see of him recently, the more I start to think he's not going to step up unfortunately.


Other youngsters like Gulley, Watson and Bertsch were all solid.
Hard to see Fenton on my side, but showed his pace on a few occassions but definitely doesn't come across as confident as he is further up the park.


A bit gutted I didn't see more of Carlos tonight



Not sure good vision has anything to do with age.


Vision develops with experience. Experience comes with age. 
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over 12 years ago

Some good craic tonight. Quite taken by the guess the crowd stuff. It was 200-300 or 500-600 or 'about 1,000'...   in any case, great turn out.



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over 12 years ago
Sackofspuds wrote:
Leggy wrote:
playwithFire wrote:

My thoughts on new faces:

Stevens: Short time on field before he went off but definitely looks to have a lot of potential and is super quick and mobile.

Hudson: Funny cause I was on the opposite side of the field so he was on other sde of the field and looked to make a few errors but obviously its hard to judge without much view. Just interesting that people said he was a standout.

Adams: Not the best RB. Siggy was rarking him up a lot to push forward. Definitely better at CB for me. Has good composure.

Rufer: Looks good on the ball and has pretty good vision for his age. I like his go-forward attitude, whether he carries it forward or takes the riskier forward pass option.Seemed to shrug off a few challenges quite easily.

Caira: Pushed forward well and very mobile getting forward and glided past players and got around the keeper well. Wasn't tested much defensively but seemed decent.

Lewis: Not as influential as other youngsters but seemed to push forward well and had a decent shot.

Lindsay: Quick goal when he came on then pretty much invisible. The more I see of him recently, the more I start to think he's not going to step up unfortunately.


Other youngsters like Gulley, Watson and Bertsch were all solid.
Hard to see Fenton on my side, but showed his pace on a few occassions but definitely doesn't come across as confident as he is further up the park.


A bit gutted I didn't see more of Carlos tonight



Not sure good vision has anything to do with age.


Vision develops with experience. Experience comes with age. 

Vision actually tends to deteriorate with age.
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over 12 years ago


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over 12 years ago

Yeah great. Good to see so much pre season interest and support. 

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over 12 years ago
Sammy wrote:

Yeah great. Good to see so much pre season interest and support. 

Hopefully that means more games out the Valley. We got nothing last season.
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over 12 years ago
Sackofspuds wrote:
Leggy wrote:
playwithFire wrote:

Rufer: Looks good on the ball and has pretty good vision for his age. I like his go-forward attitude, whether he carries it forward or takes the riskier forward pass option.Seemed to shrug off a few challenges quite easily.

Not sure good vision has anything to do with age.

Vision develops with experience. Experience comes with age. 

Yeah you obviously aren't born with the football vision - it is something you learn.
But I guess what I was meaning was he also had the ability to execute the pass.


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over 12 years ago

Some wildly different opinions on the performances from the youngsters, wish I'd seen it for my own eyes.

What were Stein's goals like?

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over 12 years ago
paulm wrote:

What were Stein's goals like?

2x tap-ins (well essentially), penalty, header with empty goal and defender + keeper all trying to get to the ball in the air


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over 12 years ago
nightz wrote:
Boro4eva wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:

Stein finished with 4. another with his head. scored a lot with his head for a guy who supposedly can not head a ball this pre season

Yah..silence the doubters from last season.

No it hasnt. These are just preseason kickarounds against amateurs.


+1, He's got a lot of proving of ability to do this season.

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over 12 years ago
Sammy wrote:

Yeah great. Good to see so much pre season interest and support. 

Hopefully that means more games out the Valley. We got nothing last season.

To be encouraged. Certainly one of the benefits of a decent floodlit pitch in the valley with  facilities for spectators before during and after the game. Good surface too. With the possibility of four Central League teams form the HV next year, the region certainly deserves these games. Lid on the stand, adjustment of lighting to get rid of dark spots and an extended balcony would top it off.

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over 12 years ago

Is Bertsch for the academy only? Does he have a chance to play? He is an import, right?

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over 12 years ago

Last I heard he was working on elligibility for NZ in an effort to make the last U-20 squad.  Don't know what has happened since.

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over 12 years ago
uiron wrote:

To be encouraged. Certainly one of the benefits of a decent floodlit pitch in the valley with  facilities for spectators before during and after the game.



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over 12 years ago
uiron wrote:
Sammy wrote:

Yeah great. Good to see so much pre season interest and support. 

Hopefully that means more games out the Valley. We got nothing last season.

To be encouraged. Certainly one of the benefits of a decent floodlit pitch in the valley with  facilities for spectators before during and after the game. Good surface too. With the possibility of four Central League teams form the HV next year, the region certainly deserves these games. Lid on the stand, adjustment of lighting to get rid of dark spots and an extended balcony would top it off.

Good timing after kids practices as well. Seemed to be a lot of families that stayed on after.
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over 12 years ago
Fruglo wrote:
nightz wrote:
Boro4eva wrote:
sthn.jeff wrote:

Stein finished with 4. another with his head. scored a lot with his head for a guy who supposedly can not head a ball this pre season

Yah..silence the doubters from last season.

No it hasnt. These are just preseason kickarounds against amateurs.


+1, He's got a lot of proving of ability to do this season.

I agree to a point, but you've got to admit that he's getting in the right places to put the last touch in which is important. And we've had plenty of strikers trialing with us in the past (e.g. Krishna, Corrales) who couldn't score even against this type of opposition, so thinking that just anyone could waltz up and bag as many as Stein has in the past few games is a bit silly.
P.S. it's been interesting that some of the experienced guys (e.g. Stein, Ifill, Dura) have been playing a lot of minutes in these games and not just taking it lightly, but really putting some effort in. Good signs.
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over 12 years ago
playwithFire wrote:
paulm wrote:

What were Stein's goals like?

2x tap-ins (well essentially), penalty, header with empty goal and defender + keeper all trying to get to the ball in the air



You make that sound like they weren't good. I thought the second goal looked great and he did well to beat the keeper to the ball and volley (sidestep) it in.
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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 12 years ago
Yakcall wrote:
playwithFire wrote:
paulm wrote:

What were Stein's goals like?

2x tap-ins (well essentially), penalty, header with empty goal and defender + keeper all trying to get to the ball in the air



You make that sound like they weren't good. I thought the second goal looked great and he did well to beat the keeper to the ball and volley (sidestep) it in.
Yeah they were all good build up goals and none were easy tap-ins - guess I undersold the while trying to be brief


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over 12 years ago

Obviously it's great that Huysegems is scoring goals. We'd all be up in arms if he wasn't. I'd also like to point out how on fire Brockie was last pre season and how sceptical people (including myself) were about him translating that to the season proper. I believe goal scoring is a confidence/momentum thing so it's great he's knocking them in and I'll definitely be keen to throw a wee wager on him being top scorer for the season.

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over 12 years ago
energy24.7 wrote:

Obviously it's great that Huysegems is scoring goals. We'd all be up in arms if he wasn't. I'd also like to point out how on fire Brockie was last pre season and how sceptical people (including myself) were about him translating that to the season proper. I believe goal scoring is a confidence/momentum thing so it's great he's knocking them in and I'll definitely be keen to throw a wee wager on him being top scorer for the season.


Yeah I'm with you, I really hope he does well and he seems to be thriving under Ernie.

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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 12 years ago

When are the next preseason gmes?

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

Should have a salute to the top scorers after certain stages of the season or something- make a bit of a public contest out of the race for the 'Nix golden boot and assist leader... 




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over 12 years ago
Yakcall wrote:
energy24.7 wrote:

Obviously it's great that Huysegems is scoring goals. We'd all be up in arms if he wasn't. I'd also like to point out how on fire Brockie was last pre season and how sceptical people (including myself) were about him translating that to the season proper. I believe goal scoring is a confidence/momentum thing so it's great he's knocking them in and I'll definitely be keen to throw a wee wager on him being top scorer for the season.


Yeah I'm with you, I really hope he does well and he seems to be thriving under Ernie.

Well, I noticed a new poll especially for us on the bottom of the WP press release re Rufer's signing...get in there!


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over 12 years ago

last I heard is that the Nix have next week off? Could be wrong on this but I recall someone saying that..

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over 12 years ago

no kenny on that poll ...


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over 12 years ago
mjp2 wrote:

no kenny on that poll ...



Would be very surprised if he got more than a couple this season, looking at his record thus far.

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over 12 years ago
energy24.7 wrote:

Obviously it's great that Huysegems is scoring goals. We'd all be up in arms if he wasn't. I'd also like to point out how on fire Brockie was last pre season and how sceptical people (including myself) were about him translating that to the season proper. I believe goal scoring is a confidence/momentum thing so it's great he's knocking them in and I'll definitely be keen to throw a wee wager on him being top scorer for the season.

Will have to see where Husygems and Brockie fit into the team when Brockie gets back first
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over 12 years ago
valeo wrote:
mjp2 wrote:

no kenny on that poll ...



Would be very surprised if he got more than a couple this season, looking at his record thus far.

was thinking more that tyler boyd would score less
and is on the poll

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