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R11 vs Sydney FC | Sunday 21st Dec | 7:00pm | SS2

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over 11 years ago

SmithsCity wrote:

Jerzy Merino wrote:

SmithsCity wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

chopah wrote:

I heard on Sat from a source within the team that the Boyd issue is def contractual, he has even been advised by some of the senior players to just sign it and play but hasn't to date.

Maybe a bit off topic for this thread, but if that is true then this is costing us a potentially effective sub for the game.  I think he'd have made more impact than Brockie v CCM also. 

From both business model and club culture perspectives you'd think getting this right is a big deal.

To turn down a 'Nix contract he has to think he can get a better offer somewhere else.  Does he seriously thinks he's good enough to earn an import spot in Aus or to get an offer in Europe. 

Does that mean that Ryan Thomas and Declan Edge might be pulling some strings for him to get a trial in the Netherlands?  And maybe he thinks that being a free agent might make a difference to his chances of getting offered a contract over there? 

How have CCM managed it?  They have had transfer fees from players fairly regularly, I think?  Why haven't those players given them the fingers like Boyd seems to be doing to the 'Nix?  Maybe the Mariners have been good at arranging things for players to get trials and offers overseas?  Maybe they offer deferred transfer fees, paid only if they are kept on past a certain time - like the Weemac situation in Japan - with the player otherwise returning to the club (not as in the case with Weemac :)?  But if I'm not jumping to conclusions, maybe Boyd sees Edge as a better facilitator of a shot elsewhere than the 'Nix are?  You'd want to fix that if you were the Nix, surely.  Offer Edge a fee for arranging things for players, to come out of transfer fees?

I think Boyd is an 1) extremely good player. He is a 2) pure class football with a 3) great touch, 4) great vision and a 5) genious. He 6) fits our formation perfectly with a front 2 of wide players. He  needs to be playing... 7) IMO he is good enough to tear up in this league just wait till he gets given a real chance

1) No. He's quite good

2) No

3) Good touch

4) OK vision

5) Nowhere near

6) Unfortunately not

7) No

wait and see mate he's far better than krishna

Boyd's A League career (taken from transfermarkt): 44 games, 2 goals, 4 assists (a goal every 22 games, an assist every 11 games)

Krishna's A League career: 17 games, 5 goals, 3 assists (a goal every 3 or 4 games, an assist every 5 or 6 games)

Because those games came with McG, Bonevacia, Burns and A Rod providing chances, as opposed to the last two seasons with Ricki and our average effort last year. not apples and apples. That said Krishna has had his chance this season and taken it



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Yeah, I know that there's other factors in that comparison but the point is that making a claim like Boyd is way better an Krishna, without providing any supporting evidence, is a bit of a stretch. Especially when last season their goals-per-game were roughly the same and you could state that Krishna was still having to gel with his new teammates and get used to the A League level while Boyd had already had a season with those guys under his belt.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

Just to be clear - I like Boyd as a player and I think he'd fit in well with the style we're playing and our new players around him, but I don't think he's the messiah or anything and I don't think he'd bring anything to the current starting lineup that isn't being provided by anyone who is already there

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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over 11 years ago

so Sydney then....happy for a point with Smeltz in that kind of form.

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over 11 years ago

So if Manny's out, I don't like the thought of have both Louis and Doyle on the flanks at Sydney, rather have Boxall in the mix

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 11 years ago

Yeah, I know that there's other factors in that comparison but the point is that making a claim like Boyd is way better an Krishna, without providing any supporting evidence, is a bit of a stretch. Especially when last season their goals-per-game were roughly the same and you could state that Krishna was still having to gel with his new teammates and get used to the A League level while Boyd had already had a season with those guys under his belt.

yeh dumb trolling claim by whoever it was before. Then some more dumb trolling evidence the other way. On the other hand you could say that Krishna has had a lot more experience than Boyd. Both have matured as players since they came to the 'Nix. Also Paston is a better keeper than Moss, while we are here.



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over 11 years ago

Krishan and Boyd, nice to have choices available.

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 11 years ago

Just to be clear - I like Boyd as a player and I think he'd fit in well with the style we're playing and our new players around him, but I don't think he's the messiah or anything and I don't think he'd bring anything to the current starting lineup that isn't being provided by anyone who is already there

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over 11 years ago

So if Manny's out, I don't like the thought of have both Louis and Doyle on the flanks at Sydney, rather have Boxall in the mix

Bet they ban Manny for 5 games but don't see anything at all in the Milligan incident.

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over 11 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I guess we have to be careful that we are not trashing the guy based on hearsay. 

Yet there are people saying that the club is doing the wrong thing, if he's not getting time because of a contract issue.  I'm just putting a counter view to that.  Maybe we shouldn't be trashing the club on hearsay either.

There were also several ifs, a reportedly and a supposed sprinkled though my comment. And some of the IFs in capitals.

Sorry that was not directed at you. That was a general comment.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 11 years ago

hlmphil wrote:

So if Manny's out, I don't like the thought of have both Louis and Doyle on the flanks at Sydney, rather have Boxall in the mix

Bet they ban Manny for 5 games but don't see anything at all in the Milligan incident.

I think you will see both get 2 games each. Milligan maybe 3. Manny's is at the lower end of the violence scale but its way off the ball. At least the ball was in vicinity when Milligan did his thing.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 11 years ago

Based on the undoubtedly  accurate information  here it seems Boyd has a solid case of FIGJAM.

He certainly has potential  but it is as yet unrealised potential.  If he thinks he will make it in Europe  good luck to him.

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over 11 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Based on the undoubtedly  accurate information  here it seems Boyd has a solid case of FIGJAM.

He certainly has potential  but it is as yet unrealised potential.  If he thinks he will make it in Europe  good luck to him.

This. He also has no left peg. Makes him easy to mark.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 11 years ago

It's very simple guys. Boyd is a very good player, but is in pecking order below Brockie and Cunningham. He plays all possible games for the WeeNix to be ready for the A team. He did not play on the weekend because the other team did not want the top scorer of the ASB premiership to play. He will be on the bench for the Phoenix if Brockie is gone. It would be a bad career move not looking for a different club to boost his career or get a better deal at the Phoenix, and to be honest that is what we want: motivated competitive players.

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over 11 years ago

number8 wrote:

It's very simple guys. Boyd is a very good player, but is in pecking order below Brockie and Cunningham. He plays all possible games for the WeeNix to be ready for the A team. He did not play on the weekend because the other team did not want the top scorer of the ASB premiership to play. He will be on the bench for the Phoenix if Brockie is gone. It would be a bad career move not looking for a different club to boost his career or get a better deal at the Phoenix, and to be honest that is what we want: motivated competitive players.

That has to be one of the worst rules for allowing Weenix to play in ASB prem. One of the main reasons to even have this team is to get players like Boyd game time. Now because he's one of the best in the league, other clubs can elect for him to not play. I can see how he would be fudgeed off at this shark.

I hope he gets bench time instead of Brockie starting this week against Sydney.

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over 11 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

number8 wrote:

It's very simple guys. Boyd is a very good player, but is in pecking order below Brockie and Cunningham. He plays all possible games for the WeeNix to be ready for the A team. He did not play on the weekend because the other team did not want the top scorer of the ASB premiership to play. He will be on the bench for the Phoenix if Brockie is gone. It would be a bad career move not looking for a different club to boost his career or get a better deal at the Phoenix, and to be honest that is what we want: motivated competitive players.

That has to be one of the worst rules for allowing Weenix to play in ASB prem. One of the main reasons to even have this team is to get players like Boyd game time. Now because he's one of the best in the league, other clubs can elect for him to not play. I can see how he would be fudgeed off at this shark.

I hope he gets bench time instead of Brockie starting this week against Sydney.

The club could still pick Boyd as one of the 4 guaranteed to play rather than the one of the + 2. 

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over 11 years ago

Or maybe they felt they had enough attacking players to cover Boyd's absence and instead decided to use the 4 spots to cover areas of weakness.

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over 11 years ago

Regardless of all the hypotheticals, I'd like to see Boyd getting some time off the bench.  And signing a contract.  Sweetness and light

After the CCM game I thought if we played like that and got a bit better with the finishing we'd beat Sydney.  But the Sydney Melbourne Big Blue was a cracker. 

So looking forward to this.  And hoping the front three and their combination with the mid three continues to develop well. 

But I am mainly hoping that sig, dura and presumably Doyle and Fenton can keep a lid on Ibini, Smeltz, Brosque and the rest of them. Methinks they'll need a fair bit of help.

Top 4, still knocking on the door of top four, or slipping back.  I think it's mainly up to the D this time. 

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over 11 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

Regardless of all the hypotheticals, I'd like to see Boyd getting some time off the bench.  And signing a contract.  Sweetness and light

After the CCM game I thought if we played like that and got a bit better with the finishing we'd beat Sydney.  But the Sydney Melbourne Big Blue was a cracker. 

So looking forward to this.  And hoping the front three and their combination with the mid three continues to develop well. 

But I am mainly hoping that sig, dura and presumably Doyle and Fenton can keep a lid on Ibini, Smeltz, Brosque and the rest of them. Methinks they'll need a fair bit of help.

Top 4, still knocking on the door of top four, or slipping back.  I think it's mainly up to the D this time. 

Maybe, but if we keep dominating the game, then they will have to worry about us

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 11 years ago
Might be throwing this out early and may have no affect but was thinking this afternoon with the Sydney hostage situation and three innocent people dying that this game could be quite emotional for the city, could affect how they play (or I could just be talking out my @rse)
I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 11 years ago

I find in sports it tends to work the other way. It fires the side up to do well, gives meaning to the game for them etc.

Boston Red Sox spring to mind after the bombing there. 

More recently the Australian Cricket team beating India in spectacular fashion. 


Allegedly

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EDIT: I was wrong.

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over 11 years ago

F#cksticks!

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Sackofspuds wrote:

Manny suspended for 3 matches!!

Whaaaaat?!

Manny gets 2 matches and their equally offending player received what?

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 11 years ago

Tegal wrote:

I find in sports it tends to work the other way. It fires the side up to do well, gives meaning to the game for them etc.

Boston Red Sox spring to mind after the bombing there. 

More recently the Australian Cricket team beating India in spectacular fashion. 

Yeah that was what I was meaning, wondering if it will have the potential to fire them up.

I'm an optimistic pessimist. 
I'm positive things will go wrong.
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over 11 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Sackofspuds wrote:

Manny suspended for 3 matches!!

Whaaaaat?!

Manny gets 2 matches and their equally offending player received what?

It is not really surprising as Manny is the third most booked player in the league ever.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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EDIT: I was even wrong-er.

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over 11 years ago

Manny only got 2.

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over 11 years ago

Simon Hampton

@SimonHampton9

Manny Muscat suspended for three A-League matches.#wgtnphoenix

8:07pm - 16 Dec 14

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over 11 years ago

C'mon you sharkcods.


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over 11 years ago · edited over 11 years ago · History

^ Not true?

EDIT: In reference to my above post. Not the Sharkcod one.

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over 11 years ago

1) An incident involving Manny Muscat (Wellington Phoenix) in or around the 48th minute of Wellington Phoenix’s match against the Central Coast Mariners on Saturday afternoon. The Player was cited by the MRP in accordance with the Hyundai A-League Disciplinary Regulations (Regulations). In reviewing the incident during this afternoon’s meeting, the MRP took into consideration the submissions lodged by Wellington Phoenix. The MRP determined that the Player committed the offence of R2 – Assault on a Player against Glen Trifiro and proposed a sanction of two (2) matches, being the Mandatory Match Suspension plus one (1) additional match. This is the minimum sanction for such an offence under the Regulations.

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over 11 years ago

Hampton also now saying that Milligan got 5 matches... 

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2ndBest wrote:

1) An incident involving Manny Muscat (Wellington Phoenix) in or around the 48th minute of Wellington Phoenix’s match against the Central Coast Mariners on Saturday afternoon. The Player was cited by the MRP in accordance with the Hyundai A-League Disciplinary Regulations (Regulations). In reviewing the incident during this afternoon’s meeting, the MRP took into consideration the submissions lodged by Wellington Phoenix. The MRP determined that the Player committed the offence of R2 – Assault on a Player against Glen Trifiro and proposed a sanction of two (2) matches, being the Mandatory Match Suspension **plus one (1) additional match.** This is the minimum sanction for such an offence under the Regulations.

"Proposed a sanction of two (2) matches... plus one (1) additional match"

So he's out for 3 matches.

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over 11 years ago

No. He's got a mandatory one match suspension. Plus an additional one. 

Milligan got a mandatory one match suspension. Plus another two.

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over 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

No. He's got a mandatory one match suspension. Plus an additional one. 

Milligan got a mandatory one match suspension. Plus another two.

Ahhh I see. Thanks!

Am I the only one who thinks that is worded like absolute shark?

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over 11 years ago

I think Ernie is not going to be thrilled with Manny

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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over 11 years ago

When you consider Ernie really pumped Sigmund, Manny and Lia about their discipline and was not happy with last year, this will piss him right off.

To be honest, Manny was a transplanted leftie to make way for Fenton. If Doyle does the job the next 2 weeks, Manny could find himself in ASBP for a couple of weeks along side Boyd and Cunningham. Not likely, but there is the possibility. If I were Doyle, I would consider this a golden opportunity.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 11 years ago

Isn't Manny the starting RB and switches to LB when either Doyle goes off or is not selected?

Would you start Fenton ahead of Manny at RB and what happens when Fenton does his shoulder in again?

"Phoenix till they lose"

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over 11 years ago

It could be just my impression but Fenton looked like he is playing a bit more cautiously than I remember - it could be the relative lack of game time, but it could be something worse - a mindset that he better be careful or he does his shoulder in.  That would be likely to hamper his playing style; whereas Manny has the opposite approach (plus a suitably grim expression when he floors a player and looks at the ref).

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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