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about 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Regarding Ballane's last entry. Actually, his last sentence seems about right. I sometimes wonder too. It must not be nice having the frigging licence issue hanging over their heads but the players are professionals and they should be able to pick up contracts elsewhere if they are any good. But football is not just a game of skill and fitness, it is also about the desire to win, to achieve the highest standards possible, about passion, to reach the top of your game. Lethargic efforts bring in negative vibes that rub off.

As fans we want to see our players give their "all for the cause" but in a positive constructive way. If we are going to go down, lets show some spirit and effort.

Your post implies there is no effort. Do you actually believe that? Do you believe prior to KO and training in the days prior, the players go 'fudge it, I'm not trying today'?

I just want to quantify here that if what you are saying is what you actually believe.

I am not suggesting they don't care but sometimes they appear a bit too casual considering what is at stake. Does this clarify it enough?

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about 10 years ago

How many of these players would get a deal at another club ? two I reckon Roly and wee Mac

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about 10 years ago

charger1 wrote:

How many of these players would get a deal at another club ? two I reckon Roly and wee Mac

In the A-league? I reckon McGlinchey may actually struggle now. He is a foreign player after all. 

I reckon Roly, Krishna, Powell (he is an aussie), Riera, Durante, Moss.

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about 10 years ago

..happy birthday to me..
*sobs*

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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about 10 years ago

Belated Happy Birthday to you, regardless of the result.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 10 years ago

That was bad on so many levels. Fudge referee, elbows and assaults. What is it that you wan't your own head smashed against another head? I don't like to watch this, honestly, this is the exact opposite why I like to watch football. This guy should be banned and Manny should be get a 1 game ban, too.

We have to play better, no excuse. We had all the ball in the first half and had 1 shot on target? Injuries or not, if you have the ball you should create chances and score than all the above goes away or is less important. Glad it is 1st Jan, everything can change in the new year!

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about 10 years ago

we lost and only 188 new posts much lower than the average win.

Sorry forgot the head injury count may effect thing.

May the New Year bring Joy to you all

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about 10 years ago

New metric, how many headbutts can the Phoenix be on the receiving end of before something gets done?

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

Missed the game.  But results may - almost should - go our way over the next few games and we hang onto 6th. The guys get a 9 day break and we go from there.  I don't subscribe to the season being over for us.  Sarpong has started to show some signs and with a thin-ish squad and injuries and suspensions this has to be the bottom.

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Sure, we are not playing great.  But I'm one who also thinks the refs are also killing us - and that that's not an accident.  Bullshark to those saying the players are professional blah blah blah.  When you are getting the shark end of the stick every week the players are human.  You cannot expect them to remain totally on top of this professionally when they can see they are getting done over.

Time to stop being polite about it and call a spade a fudgeing aussie. 

Thankfully Ernie is calling it, as tactfully as he has to:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/75575730/wellington-phoenix-coach-ernie-merrick-slams-standard-of-aleague-refereeing

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about 10 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

New metric, how many headbutts can the Phoenix be on the receiving end of before something gets done?


And can the no dickheads policy also apply to our opponents?

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 10 years ago

I think Durante and Moss may struggle as both are getting to the end of their careers. One guy who has not kicked on and developed as a player is Fenton who this season has not done much.

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about 10 years ago

Some of us said that about Fenton already in the "2015/2016 Transfer" thread.

For my money I see a brittle player low on confidence after a string of bad injuries.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago

Jazzman wrote:

tonya wrote:

charger1 wrote:

Tonya that's crap every club goes through those problems but happy New Year

Yeah probably right. Thinking about it, we're playing just like that Nix side prior to the Burns arrival. Lots of possession but running out of ideas round the opp penalty area, and very easy to defend against. So a quality striker in the window is probably the only way out of this, so opp sides have something else to worry about. Right now it's simply shut down Roly and Mcglinchy,

Not disagreeing but unless there's certainty about the club's future , who in their right mind would come? 

No-one. but have heard they may have some news re future just prior to the next home game - and supposed to be positive.

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about 10 years ago

NHpeter wrote:

crewemad wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Agree. The funny thing is (and this is why I think Ernie has a potential problem as opposed to a real one) is that had we beaten both CCM and Adelaide as the table suggests, we would be in 4th on 21 points and this forum would be a happy place. The reality is is that we have injuries and suspensions at the moment affecting that. I think a full strength team would have won both of them, which is why I believe our issue is depth. We lose a couple of players and we fall apart, akin to the Riera injury of 2 years ago. This is why Ernie is going to be tested cause now he needs to produce the results with a less than full team.

I think he will regret the Sarpong signing if he is not already and the 'not a striker' comment is not really a bad joke anymore but more a recurring nightmare. He'll probably also consider his fullback options too and if I were Fenton, I might be inclined to be a wee bit worried going forward about his next contract unless he regains confidence and gets a grip on the FB role. 

It would not surprise me if the theme this week at training is discipline cause we have no Roly for the next one and Riera and A-Rod are still a card away from suspension...

A-Rod was booked. Misses Roar match same as Roly.

I think it is good for Roly to have a little break. It is hard getting kicked every week

Tackles from behind are not supposed to be allowed. So how do refs allows Rolys achilles to be struck everytime he gets the ball? I find it amazing
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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

tonya wrote:

Jazzman wrote:

tonya wrote:

charger1 wrote:

Tonya that's crap every club goes through those problems but happy New Year

Yeah probably right. Thinking about it, we're playing just like that Nix side prior to the Burns arrival. Lots of possession but running out of ideas round the opp penalty area, and very easy to defend against. So a quality striker in the window is probably the only way out of this, so opp sides have something else to worry about. Right now it's simply shut down Roly and Mcglinchy,

Not disagreeing but unless there's certainty about the club's future , who in their right mind would come? 

No-one. but have heard they may have some news re future just prior to the next home game - and supposed to be positive.

A fan is a fan.

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about 10 years ago · edited about 10 years ago · History

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A fan is a fan.

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about 10 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Regarding Ballane's last entry. Actually, his last sentence seems about right. I sometimes wonder too. It must not be nice having the frigging licence issue hanging over their heads but the players are professionals and they should be able to pick up contracts elsewhere if they are any good. But football is not just a game of skill and fitness, it is also about the desire to win, to achieve the highest standards possible, about passion, to reach the top of your game. Lethargic efforts bring in negative vibes that rub off.

As fans we want to see our players give their "all for the cause" but in a positive constructive way. If we are going to go down, lets show some spirit and effort.

Your post implies there is no effort. Do you actually believe that? Do you believe prior to KO and training in the days prior, the players go 'fudge it, I'm not trying today'?

I just want to quantify here that if what you are saying is what you actually believe.

I am not suggesting they don't care but sometimes they appear a bit too casual considering what is at stake. Does this clarify it enough?

Not saying it's happening at the Nix but why is this such a bizarre belief? Not so much players saying "f*ck it" but not having energy or being preoccupied and not giving a 100%

Discontent in the dressing rooms of other clubs have been well documented recently in other leagues. Suggesting it wouldn't happen to us is naive, what because we are the good guys?

I don't for a minute think the players want , but  wondering if you are going to have a job next season is going to be stressful. Lets face it how many of our squad would walk into another A league club?

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about 10 years ago

tonya wrote:

Jazzman wrote:

tonya wrote:

charger1 wrote:

Tonya that's crap every club goes through those problems but happy New Year

Yeah probably right. Thinking about it, we're playing just like that Nix side prior to the Burns arrival. Lots of possession but running out of ideas round the opp penalty area, and very easy to defend against. So a quality striker in the window is probably the only way out of this, so opp sides have something else to worry about. Right now it's simply shut down Roly and Mcglinchy,

Not disagreeing but unless there's certainty about the club's future , who in their right mind would come? 

No-one. but have heard they may have some news re future just prior to the next home game - and supposed to be positive.

I remember the FFA saying they wouldn't comment on our license situation again until the new year, so maybe there is news coming.

To turn the whole "distracted by the fact the club will be gone next year" theory on its head, maybe the reason we've gone off the boil in the last few weeks is because the players know the license issue has been resolved so they have subconsciously eased up a bit because the pressure is off?

#yougottastaypositive

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about 10 years ago

Anyway, I think the issue with our squad is the balance of the side and Ernie's tactics. I've been going on about this since the tail end of last season but the way we are set up and the players at our disposal makes it very hard for us to break down teams who defend deep and narrow. When we had Burns and Krishna firing they both looked their best when they had space to run into and could get pace up to wrong foot opponents. teams wised up and stopped us doing that, and Sarpong/Appiah/Powell cannot play the role like Burns was able to do anyway. So basically Krishna is our only outlet for our best attacking method, and teams have already worked out how to counter it. CCM 30% possession last night but managed to create more shots than us.

Because we don't play with real wingers, and this year our fullbacks aren't overlapping as much, it's left up to Krishna, Sarpong, or WeeMac to drift wide to create space; however when they do there is then no one in the middle to play to. Also none of them are naturally left footed, but Ernie seems to like overstacking the lefthand side of our attack. Occasionally that allows Krishna to cut in on his good foot and score (I think the Roar game had a good example of this) but otherwise it means that defenders don't have to worry as much about showing our players the sideline.

When none of that works we hoof long balls to Krishna, who works his arse off chasing them down and sometimes even manages to bring them to his feet, but then is just not the right sort of player to be trying to hold up the ball with his back to goal while waiting for team mates to run off him. Griffiths was brought in last year and gave us another dimension on attack but after his injury we haven't had a replacement. In fact, our whole recruitment policy since the end of last season has been bizarre. Sarpong is a dud as a replacement for Burns, but we lost Boxall, Cunningham, Boyd, Brockie etc and replaced them with state league players. Even if Burns had stayed I think he would have been far less effective this year for the reason I stated above.

Now these issues with our tactics have had a while to fester, and in the offseason Ernie looked like he was going to give the fullbacks even more license to bomb forward by getting our DMs used to slotting into the backline, but then as far as I recall we have never really looked like doing this except on a few random occasions. If anything our FBs last year (pre-injury Fenton, Muscat, and Boxall) were the main driver for us to create space and chances on attack by making those big runs down the touchline, but this year only Fenton has really looked like getting forward but when he does he always cuts inside, runs towards one of our players, passes to that player and keeps running towards him. Our guy then has Fenton, and Fenton's marker bearing down on him, no one out wide to pass to, and usually just passes all the way back to halfway, or into the traffic round the box but finds no way through. It happens so much it's infuriating. Also, we rely a lot on Roly unpicking defences from the middle but he gets no protection at all from refs and gets fouled out of games all the time. other than him, none of our CMs have enough vision or creativity to generate clear chances in tightly contested parts of the pitch.

Long story short, it's like Ernie's taken the tactics that worked last year but had been started to be figured out by the opposition, discarded the most effective bits of those tactics, and persisted with the least effective parts. Now I like Ernie and he's got a good enough record to justify giving him time to turn this around, but I just hope he's got something else up his sleeve because even at full strength the style we are playing is not going to win us much. Personally,  I think we should reset and build ourselves up again from the back. Focus on sorting out our defensive shape and rather than worrying about possession and controlling the middle of the pitch just look to counter attack quickly when we get the ball. Our lack of width won't matter as much if we attack at pace from deep - which is actually how we ended up playing for much of the first game against Adelaide IIRC. A few solid defensive displays and clean sheets might help the whole squad's confidence too.

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about 10 years ago

this will be interesting:

Roy O'Donovan joins Fox Sports News 500 to tell his side of an ugly incident which marred Central Coast Mariners’ 3-1 win over Wellington Phoenix, where the Mariners striker was fortunate to stay on the field after he appeared to headbutt his opponent

http://www.foxsports.com.au/video?v=odonovan-defen...

Not sure if the video is actually working or not - i couldn't get it.

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about 10 years ago

ForteanTimes wrote:

Not saying it's happening at the Nix but why is this such a bizarre belief? Not so much players saying "f*ck it" but not having energy or being preoccupied and not giving a 100%

Discontent in the dressing rooms of other clubs have been well documented recently in other leagues. Suggesting it wouldn't happen to us is naive, what because we are the good guys?

The point you make about it being naive to think it could not happen to us is quite valid and perhaps I am guilty of being naive.

The flip side to that, is that if the players are doing that, then the board, GM, coach and ass. coach and captain are allowing it to happen too. Do you think that Ernie, Greenacre, Domey, Durante and co would allow that to happen? If they did what does that say about our faith in them? Would it be misplaced?

I'm just taking your point and throwing hypothetical questions out there to see where it can lead to (devils advocate) because while it is potentially naive, I really do not believe its happening or allowed to happen.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 10 years ago

I'm finding it hard to support a side that passes attacking free kicks back to the half way line. Complete lack of Imagination or intent. Ernie talking about possesion is pointless when all we are doing  is passing it square around the half way line. We are too predictabe, slow and lacking in any cut  and thrust.

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about 10 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

ForteanTimes wrote:

Not saying it's happening at the Nix but why is this such a bizarre belief? Not so much players saying "f*ck it" but not having energy or being preoccupied and not giving a 100%

Discontent in the dressing rooms of other clubs have been well documented recently in other leagues. Suggesting it wouldn't happen to us is naive, what because we are the good guys?

The point you make about it being naive to think it could not happen to us is quite valid and perhaps I am guilty of being naive.

The flip side to that, is that if the players are doing that, then the board, GM, coach and ass. coach and captain are allowing it to happen too. Do you think that Ernie, Greenacre, Domey, Durante and co would allow that to happen? If they did what does that say about our faith in them? Would it be misplaced?

I'm just taking your point and throwing hypothetical questions out there to see where it can lead to (devils advocate) because while it is potentially naive, I really do not believe its happening or allowed to happen.

Think this is an interesting discussion,as i would imagine it must be bloody hard even if as a player you are getting reassurances from Ernie the board and the GM that things are okay.Here we are mid season and still nothing has happened on the licence issue.There must be a point at some stage where these guys have to start wondering just where their future lays.Many of these guys have families to think of and i for one dont think its fair that this issue is seemingly just dragging on.You would think there must be point where these guys start to think just why am i getting the shyte kicked out of me. Dont think its a case of allowing it to happen the more this gets dragged out i think the harder its going to be to stop it.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 10 years ago

The only time our game worked for us was when Ridenton came on and brought some speed from the right side. Agree with the above and repeating myself for a while know. The midfield is to static, to slow to move forward, if at all. There is no enough service and runs for Krishna or any other guys up front. Second half we had good spell in possession and they passed the ball for five minutes in front of the 18 yard box. There was and empty free green field left corner of my screen and I thought every second Danaskos should come in on that big empty patch and create some some havoc in defence but that never happened. Either Ernie's tactics are complete shark or the players can't implement them. And for Durantes 3 goal present to CCM, they are no words.

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about 10 years ago

number8 wrote:

The only time our game worked for us was when Ridenton came on and brought some speed from the right side. Agree with the above and repeating myself for a while know. The midfield is to static, to slow to move forward, if at all. There is no enough service and runs for Krishna or any other guys up front. Second half we had good spell in possession and they passed the ball for five minutes in front of the 18 yard box. There was and empty free green field left corner of my screen and I thought every second Danaskos should come in on that big empty patch and create some some havoc in defence but that never happened. Either Ernie's tactics are complete shark or the players can't implement them. And for Durantes 3 goal present to CCM, they are no words.

I don't think Ridenton is faster then Gulley. Maybe better at passing it around

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about 10 years ago

chopah wrote:

this will be interesting:

Roy O'Donovan joins Fox Sports News 500 to tell his side of an ugly incident which marred Central Coast Mariners’ 3-1 win over Wellington Phoenix, where the Mariners striker was fortunate to stay on the field after he appeared to headbutt his opponent

http://www.foxsports.com.au/video?v=odonovan-defen...

Not sure if the video is actually working or not - i couldn't get it.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/755...

Wow!

O'Donovan told Fox Sports he thought Muscat made the most of the contact.

"He's gone down like a movie star there; he'll get an Oscar for that, he timed it perfect."

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about 10 years ago

NHpeter wrote:

number8 wrote:

The only time our game worked for us was when Ridenton came on and brought some speed from the right side. Agree with the above and repeating myself for a while know. The midfield is to static, to slow to move forward, if at all. There is no enough service and runs for Krishna or any other guys up front. Second half we had good spell in possession and they passed the ball for five minutes in front of the 18 yard box. There was and empty free green field left corner of my screen and I thought every second Danaskos should come in on that big empty patch and create some some havoc in defence but that never happened. Either Ernie's tactics are complete shark or the players can't implement them. And for Durantes 3 goal present to CCM, they are no words.

I don't think Ridenton is faster then Gulley. Maybe better at passing it around

Maybe he is faster, but he was not doing it enough. Ridenton got even stuck a few times, and no one there to help him with a little one two. I'm not a tactic genius, where all the other players? This is football basics.

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about 10 years ago

NHpeter wrote:

number8 wrote:

The only time our game worked for us was when Ridenton came on and brought some speed from the right side. Agree with the above and repeating myself for a while know. The midfield is to static, to slow to move forward, if at all. There is no enough service and runs for Krishna or any other guys up front. Second half we had good spell in possession and they passed the ball for five minutes in front of the 18 yard box. There was and empty free green field left corner of my screen and I thought every second Danaskos should come in on that big empty patch and create some some havoc in defence but that never happened. Either Ernie's tactics are complete shark or the players can't implement them. And for Durantes 3 goal present to CCM, they are no words.

I don't think Ridenton is faster then Gulley. Maybe better at passing it around

I thought Gully was steady.

Whether fault can be attributed to him for the second goal I'm unsure, he shadowed Austin and got burnt by him when he made a run to the back post.

A fan is a fan.

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about 10 years ago

Anyway, I think the issue with our squad is the balance of the side and Ernie's tactics. I've been going on about this since the tail end of last season but the way we are set up and the players at our disposal makes it very hard for us to break down teams who defend deep and narrow. When we had Burns and Krishna firing they both looked their best when they had space to run into and could get pace up to wrong foot opponents. teams wised up and stopped us doing that, and Sarpong/Appiah/Powell cannot play the role like Burns was able to do anyway. So basically Krishna is our only outlet for our best attacking method, and teams have already worked out how to counter it. CCM 30% possession last night but managed to create more shots than us.

Because we don't play with real wingers, and this year our fullbacks aren't overlapping as much, it's left up to Krishna, Sarpong, or WeeMac to drift wide to create space; however when they do there is then no one in the middle to play to. Also none of them are naturally left footed, but Ernie seems to like overstacking the lefthand side of our attack. Occasionally that allows Krishna to cut in on his good foot and score (I think the Roar game had a good example of this) but otherwise it means that defenders don't have to worry as much about showing our players the sideline.

When none of that works we hoof long balls to Krishna, who works his arse off chasing them down and sometimes even manages to bring them to his feet, but then is just not the right sort of player to be trying to hold up the ball with his back to goal while waiting for team mates to run off him. Griffiths was brought in last year and gave us another dimension on attack but after his injury we haven't had a replacement. In fact, our whole recruitment policy since the end of last season has been bizarre. Sarpong is a dud as a replacement for Burns, but we lost Boxall, Cunningham, Boyd, Brockie etc and replaced them with state league players. Even if Burns had stayed I think he would have been far less effective this year for the reason I stated above.

Now these issues with our tactics have had a while to fester, and in the offseason Ernie looked like he was going to give the fullbacks even more license to bomb forward by getting our DMs used to slotting into the backline, but then as far as I recall we have never really looked like doing this except on a few random occasions. If anything our FBs last year (pre-injury Fenton, Muscat, and Boxall) were the main driver for us to create space and chances on attack by making those big runs down the touchline, but this year only Fenton has really looked like getting forward but when he does he always cuts inside, runs towards one of our players, passes to that player and keeps running towards him. Our guy then has Fenton, and Fenton's marker bearing down on him, no one out wide to pass to, and usually just passes all the way back to halfway, or into the traffic round the box but finds no way through. It happens so much it's infuriating. Also, we rely a lot on Roly unpicking defences from the middle but he gets no protection at all from refs and gets fouled out of games all the time. other than him, none of our CMs have enough vision or creativity to generate clear chances in tightly contested parts of the pitch.

Long story short, it's like Ernie's taken the tactics that worked last year but had been started to be figured out by the opposition, discarded the most effective bits of those tactics, and persisted with the least effective parts. Now I like Ernie and he's got a good enough record to justify giving him time to turn this around, but I just hope he's got something else up his sleeve because even at full strength the style we are playing is not going to win us much. Personally,  I think we should reset and build ourselves up again from the back. Focus on sorting out our defensive shape and rather than worrying about possession and controlling the middle of the pitch just look to counter attack quickly when we get the ball. Our lack of width won't matter as much if we attack at pace from deep - which is actually how we ended up playing for much of the first game against Adelaide IIRC. A few solid defensive displays and clean sheets might help the whole squad's confidence too.

This is why I want to put Krishna on the wing and start Powell in the centre. It is not the solution to all of our problems but it should give us a bit more width.

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about 10 years ago

number8 wrote:

O'Donovan told Fox Sports he thought Muscat made the most of the contact.

"He's gone down like a movie star there; he'll get an Oscar for that, he timed it perfect."

He would say that, wouldnt he? Pretty piss poor for Fox Sports to give him the soap box, but none of us are surprised by that are we? The video speaks for itself here, ODonovan should be sprung big time

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about 10 years ago

Fenix wrote:

number8 wrote:

O'Donovan told Fox Sports he thought Muscat made the most of the contact.

"He's gone down like a movie star there; he'll get an Oscar for that, he timed it perfect."

He would say that, wouldnt he? Pretty piss poor for Fox Sports to give him the soap box, but none of us are surprised by that are we? The video speaks for itself here, ODonovan should be sprung big time

Surely O'Donovan can now be charged with bringing the game into disrepute with comments like that BEFORE the judicial process has been done. 

And no, I am not surprised the Aussie media are making him out to be an innocent victim of that thug Muscat. Manny obviohsly had intentions to cut the guys eye by deliberately getting his head in the way as O'Donovan tried to wink at him.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

Fenix wrote:

number8 wrote:

O'Donovan told Fox Sports he thought Muscat made the most of the contact.

"He's gone down like a movie star there; he'll get an Oscar for that, he timed it perfect."

He would say that, wouldnt he? Pretty piss poor for Fox Sports to give him the soap box, but none of us are surprised by that are we? The video speaks for itself here, ODonovan should be sprung big time

Surely O'Donovan can now be charged with bringing the game into disrepute with comments like that BEFORE the judicial process has been done. 

And no, I am not surprised the Aussie media are making him out to be an innocent victim of that thug Muscat. Manny obviohsly had intentions to cut the guys eye by deliberately getting his head in the way as O'Donovan tried to wink at him.

Fudge the FFA. Sack our team, kick our players, headbut them and then say they are whining. 

O'Donovan and the FFA are best buds- "the phoenix should be cut from the competition because they didn't like it when we told them they should be cut from the competition."

Shocker.

Wait- FFA- it's a family game, don't promote violence, ban the violent fans without recourse etc etc...like AFL in the bad old days.



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about 10 years ago

 If anything our FBs last year (pre-injury Fenton, Muscat, and Boxall) were the main driver for us to create space and chances on attack by making those big runs down the touchline,

No one has mentioned as well how much this has been exacerbated by Siggie being concussed out of his final season, which also went without even a foul being given. If Siggie was playing we'd have more leadership in the team, and Muscat running one of the lines providing width and experience. 



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about 10 years ago

Surely it's no longer concussion.

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about 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Surely it's no longer concussion.

Possibly his wife told him it wasn't worth it and he retired, but officially from end of season?

I mean why would you want to continue if it was as dangerous as being in a boxing ring?



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about 10 years ago

martinb wrote:

 If anything our FBs last year (pre-injury Fenton, Muscat, and Boxall) were the main driver for us to create space and chances on attack by making those big runs down the touchline,

No one has mentioned as well how much this has been exacerbated by Siggie being concussed out of his final season, which also went without even a foul being given. If Siggie was playing we'd have more leadership in the team, and Muscat running one of the lines providing width and experience. 

I thought he pulled a hamstring at training after that game and it still hasn't come right?

Anyway, there's no doubt that has fudgeed us a little. But Manny has done a much better job at CB than could have been expected, and the loss of experience/leadership comes under the recruitment issue. We lost a handful of experienced professionals (Boxall, Burns, Brockie, Cunningham) and replaced them with kids. 

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 10 years ago

is it true Manny has been cited from the CCM Game? Cheers.

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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about 10 years ago

foal30 wrote:

is it true Manny has been cited from the CCM Game? Cheers.

Yeah, for the elbow swing before the headbutt. He'll probably end up with a longer ban than O'Donovan

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 10 years ago

Just finished typing a similar response of the referees thread. A new metric to screw us over with.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 10 years ago

foal30 wrote:

is it true Manny has been cited from the CCM Game? Cheers.

Yeah, for the elbow swing before the headbutt. He'll probably end up with a longer ban than O'Donovan

Thanks Conan. 

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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