is it true Manny has been cited from the CCM Game? Cheers.
elbow swings are so hard to call, if your arms are being held, you are gonna swing your arms to try and get free, and if you are then released at just the wrong time you can can end up swinging back at the person who is holding you. Sometimes it looks an awful lot worse than it is.
is it true Manny has been cited from the CCM Game? Cheers.
elbow swings are so hard to call, if your arms are being held, you are gonna swing your arms to try and get free, and if you are then released at just the wrong time you can can end up swinging back at the person who is holding you. Sometimes it looks an awful lot worse than it is.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
is it true Manny has been cited from the CCM Game? Cheers.
elbow swings are so hard to call, if your arms are being held, you are gonna swing your arms to try and get free, and if you are then released at just the wrong time you can can end up swinging back at the person who is holding you. Sometimes it looks an awful lot worse than it is.
If I remember rightly, Manny was being held back by O'D for several seconds, hopefully that is taken into account. The ref could've blown for a foul which would then have prevented the whole thing from happening.
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
The panel review take on the incident will be the true test of the matter to me, regadless of the twaddle that O'donovan is allowed to spout via media. And it is not just the FOX, as even The Guardian has deemed it worthy to put his view to air, but not that of Manny Muscat:
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
I think Durante and Moss may struggle as both are getting to the end of their careers. One guy who has not kicked on and developed as a player is Fenton who this season has not done much.
I thought that Durante and Moss have been our most consistant player's this season, they play with alot of heart and passion. I also think that they miss the services of Siggy as the defence has dropped in standard with the stand in player's to fill siggys role.
is it true Manny has been cited from the CCM Game? Cheers.
elbow swings are so hard to call, if your arms are being held, you are gonna swing your arms to try and get free, and if you are then released at just the wrong time you can can end up swinging back at the person who is holding you. Sometimes it looks an awful lot worse than it is.
If O'Prickovan ends up with a lesser ban then Manny then the A-League is a B-League comp with incompetant referees and review board
A headbutt is way way worse than an elbow swing. It is up there with biting player's ear, plus it can leave you badly concussed.
If O'Donovan is not suspended for at least three games but then Muscat gets penalised for provoking him, then the review panel is a kangaroo court.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
Well it is really isn't it?
I think we should let the FFA make their decision and then judge it.
Depends - If he was a Nix fan or WSW then Yes. If a MV fan, then No!
is there any footage of the manny elbow prior to this head butt? I wanna see if for myself before I pass further judgement.
Grumpy old bastard alert
is there any footage of the manny elbow prior to this head butt? I wanna see if for myself before I pass further judgement.
No sure about the footage. As I remember it was more a 'get away from me' kind of stray elbow in a melee than deliberate hit in face. I don't think there was full contact. There was surely some verbal thing going on between the two, I personally think, if you call someone other mother a 'whore' should be straight red, too. (Not saying Manny said something like this, just quoting another famous chestbutt).
bring on tomorrow and we shall see what is worse , a flailing arm or a headbutt
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is there any footage of the manny elbow prior to this head butt? I wanna see if for myself before I pass further judgement.
Yip. There was clear footage on the match broadcast.
is there any footage of the manny elbow prior to this head butt? I wanna see if for myself before I pass further judgement.
is there any footage of the manny elbow prior to this head butt? I wanna see if for myself before I pass further judgement.
is it true Manny has been cited from the CCM Game? Cheers.
elbow swings are so hard to call, if your arms are being held, you are gonna swing your arms to try and get free, and if you are then released at just the wrong time you can can end up swinging back at the person who is holding you. Sometimes it looks an awful lot worse than it is.
If I remember rightly, Manny was being held back by O'D for several seconds, hopefully that is taken into account. The ref could've blown for a foul which would then have prevented the whole thing from happening.
Manny's forearm to O'Donovan's face is very, very deliberate.
I agree but he didn't look to get too much of a connection. Yellow definitely for Muscat and red for O'Donovan. O'Donovan needs a hefty suspension in my view - a strong statement has to made against that form of behaviour/retaliation.
can't see that as a yellow. Little or no contact and a clear initial foul or five by ODon
Maybe a yellow to Manny while on the park, but not now - not after O'Donovan also got a yellow for his indiscretion.
An elbowing can be seen as something done in a heat of the close tackle and a benefit of the doubt can be applied regarding "deliberate elbow". While it was not pretty or desirable, we've also been dealt that and more with fouls in every game against Roly, Roy, Siggy being smashed. Would you blame Fenton if he is feeling tentative about tackles now that he has two dodgy shoulders?
The clip from the New Year's Eve showing O'Donovan's headbutt can be gleefully replayed forever for all to see what thuggery goes unpunished in A-League, whether "provoked" or not. And this is a reason - apart from the issue of justice to Manny - that this needs to be dealt with in an exemplary way. Otherwise FFA can kiss its "family entertainment" promotion goodbye, together with any attempt to lure skilful guest / marquee players.
A very public if largely harmless headbutt ended Zidane's playing days, even if it was "provoked" or "deserved".
And O'Donovan is not Zidane - he is a minor league thug that needs to learn some respect.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
i don't recall seeing the incident from this angle
https://www.facebook.com/dreamteamfc/videos/108921...
certainly looks deliberate from manny on this angle - expecting a ban for manny but justice should see a bigger one for Roy
deliberate flailing arm/hand..yes. Elbow?..not from my perspective.
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
Thats a red card for Manny. He has hit him in the face with his forearm after the whistle. Why has he done that? Because a punch is too obvious? What possible reason do you have to do that?
Sorry but thats thuggery from our guy as well. It does not however justify the headbutt from O'Donovan. I expect Manny will get 1 week and O'Donovan 3. (trying to remember what Sigmund got for his one on Leijer)
Grumpy old bastard alert
I agree but he didn't look to get too much of a connection. Yellow definitely for Muscat and red for O'Donovan. O'Donovan needs a hefty suspension in my view - a strong statement has to made against that form of behaviour/retaliation.
I'm not sure he made any connection, but the degree of intent plus the forcefulness of the act to my mid still constitute violent conduct. What also doesn't help Manny is that after the forearm incident (which the ref also missed, and O'Donovan immediately complained about to the ref), O'Donovan actually walks away from the situation, and it's Manny who chases after him, and gets his face into O'Donovan's, and promptly gets headbutted.
O'Donovan gets a better hit, but Manny's far from an innocent party in this. In fact, you could say it was a simple case of a bully being outbullied.
I agree but he didn't look to get too much of a connection. Yellow definitely for Muscat and red for O'Donovan. O'Donovan needs a hefty suspension in my view - a strong statement has to made against that form of behaviour/retaliation.
I'm not sure he made any connection, but the degree of intent plus the forcefulness of the act to my mid still constitute violent conduct. What also doesn't help Manny is that after the forearm incident (which the ref also missed, and O'Donovan immediately complained about to the ref), O'Donovan actually walks away from the situation, and it's Manny who chases after him, and gets his face into O'Donovan's, and promptly gets headbutted.
O'Donovan gets a better hit, but Manny's far from an innocent party in this. In fact, you could say it was a simple case of a bully being outbullied.
kind of but the first foul is def from Roy.
i don't recall seeing the incident from this angle
https://www.facebook.com/dreamteamfc/videos/108921...
certainly looks deliberate from manny on this angle - expecting a ban for manny but justice should see a bigger one for Roy
Thats a red card for Manny. He has hit him in the face with his forearm after the whistle. Why has he done that? Because a punch is too obvious? What possible reason do you have to do that?
Sorry but thats thuggery from our guy as well. It does not however justify the headbutt from O'Donovan. I expect Manny will get 1 week and O'Donovan 3. (trying to remember what Sigmund got for his one on Leijer)
I agree but he didn't look to get too much of a connection. Yellow definitely for Muscat and red for O'Donovan. O'Donovan needs a hefty suspension in my view - a strong statement has to made against that form of behaviour/retaliation.
I'm not sure he made any connection, but the degree of intent plus the forcefulness of the act to my mid still constitute violent conduct. What also doesn't help Manny is that after the forearm incident (which the ref also missed, and O'Donovan immediately complained about to the ref), O'Donovan actually walks away from the situation, and it's Manny who chases after him, and gets his face into O'Donovan's, and promptly gets headbutted.
O'Donovan gets a better hit, but Manny's far from an innocent party in this. In fact, you could say it was a simple case of a bully being outbullied.
kind of but the first foul is def from Roy.
Oh yes, clearly. But that gets awarded to us, and it really should have been the end of it. But it's Manny who escalates it, gets away with it, and then actually starts looking for more trouble. He'll get suspended for this, and quite rightly.
I agree but he didn't look to get too much of a connection. Yellow definitely for Muscat and red for O'Donovan. O'Donovan needs a hefty suspension in my view - a strong statement has to made against that form of behaviour/retaliation.
I'm not sure he made any connection, but the degree of intent plus the forcefulness of the act to my mid still constitute violent conduct. What also doesn't help Manny is that after the forearm incident (which the ref also missed, and O'Donovan immediately complained about to the ref), O'Donovan actually walks away from the situation, and it's Manny who chases after him, and gets his face into O'Donovan's, and promptly gets headbutted.
O'Donovan gets a better hit, but Manny's far from an innocent party in this. In fact, you could say it was a simple case of a bully being outbullied.
kind of but the first foul is def from Roy.
Oh yes, clearly. But that gets awarded to us, and it really should have been the end of it. But it's Manny who escalates it, gets away with it, and then actually starts looking for more trouble. He'll get suspended for this, and quite rightly.
Thats not good from Manny, twice his arm was in O'Ds face, and there is no reason for that.
But the footage shows the headbutt is a blatant and deliberate as can be, how O'D can say that Manny walked into it or made the most of it I have no idea.
Questions that need to be asked when looking at these incidents. You have to view each action in isolation of another because every action can potentially be sanctionable.
Did this happen after the whistle?
Who started it?
What was the intention of the player?
What degree of force/speed was used?
What part of the opponent did he make contact with?
What is the risk of injury or propensity to cause injury from this action?
Whom continued the escalation of the incident?
can't see that as a yellow. Little or no contact and a clear initial foul or five by ODon
Definately contact. Enough to give O'Donovan a black eye and a small cut
Questions that need to be asked when looking at these incidents. You have to view each action in isolation of another because every action can potentially be sanctionable.
Did this happen after the whistle?
Who started it?
What was the intention of the player?
What degree of force/speed was used?
What part of the opponent did he make contact with?
What is the risk of injury or propensity to cause injury from this action?
Whom continued the escalation of the incident?
And that is where the difference between Manny's and O'Donovan's actions are clear.
Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days
Difference in actions are clear. But they are still both reds.
can't see that as a yellow. Little or no contact and a clear initial foul or five by ODon
Definately contact. Enough to give O'Donovan a black eye and a small cut
thought he got that when he butted?
edit: maybe not - but don't think it helped the cut
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Na there is a shot of O'Donovan between the two incidents and he a bulge around his eye.
Questions that need to be asked when looking at these incidents. You have to view each action in isolation of another because every action can potentially be sanctionable.
Did this happen after the whistle?
Who started it?
What was the intention of the player?
What degree of force/speed was used?
What part of the opponent did he make contact with?
What is the risk of injury or propensity to cause injury from this action?
Whom continued the escalation of the incident?
And that is where the difference between Manny's and O'Donovan's actions are clear.
When you start answering these questions, the ledger for Manny looks very bad.
can't see that as a yellow. Little or no contact and a clear initial foul or five by ODon
Definately contact. Enough to give O'Donovan a black eye and a small cut
I think the only way we would be royally screwed would be if O'Donovan got a lesser penalty than Manny.