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R14 vs CCM Sun 12 Jan 7pm - Kids Go Free

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about 12 years ago
2ndBest wrote:

It's  only his third according to Ultimate A-league.


Sounds right - the wiki page has him on two before this game.

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about 12 years ago

He's had 5 in his a-league career and has only played 4 games this season.

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about 12 years ago
Steve-O wrote:

Has Boxall really got 5 yellows? I'd be surprised to hear he'd made 5 appearances, never mind 5 bookings!


He has had  yellow in his entire career for the Phoenix

That was his third today

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about 12 years ago

Even Dewhurst got it right saying it was three and he usually fluffs his lines.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 12 years ago

442 Stats Zone app suggests Riera was MOTM for us today and I'd agree with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 12 years ago

Carlos is a class player but today he was woeful. When Carlos is on form he is no doubt one of the best players in the league. I agree that he is definitely not performing well enough at the moment. If he were to be dropped next week would Hicks replace him? Hasn't Ernie said that he doesn't see Hicks as a creative midfielder? 

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about 12 years ago

Interesting.  I thought Riera had a poor game by his standards.


Manny was solid as.


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about 12 years ago
Steve-O wrote:

442 Stats Zone app suggests Riera was MOTM for us today and I'd agree with that.


It would be a tough to argue with that. Riera was great. I also thought Manny was brilliant today.
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about 12 years ago
Fenix wrote:
austin10 wrote:

The Stein/Boyd combo has been great for us....also Boyds pace and skill out wide would have been real handy earlier on. As it turned out our most potent combo did not get on the pitch at the same time....which is bizarre.

Stein and Boyd played together for 20 mins, but I agree I would have got Boyd on earlier


Yes you are right...
I kind of meant Stein at AM and Boyd wide, were they have been good at times. Wonder when Ernie is going to realise that Brockie and Stein up top has not worked at all the season.
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about 12 years ago

Manny is about second in terms of the stats.

As for the Carlos conundrum, Stein has been better in that position so I'd go back to that, perhaps start Boyd up front.

Carlos is just offering zero at the moment and a lot of moves broke down when it got to him today. His dive near the end was embarrassing too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 12 years ago
austin10 wrote:
Fenix wrote:
austin10 wrote:

The Stein/Boyd combo has been great for us....also Boyds pace and skill out wide would have been real handy earlier on. As it turned out our most potent combo did not get on the pitch at the same time....which is bizarre.

Stein and Boyd played together for 20 mins, but I agree I would have got Boyd on earlier


Yes you are right...

I kind of meant Stein at AM and Boyd wide, were they have been good at times. Wonder when Ernie is going to realise that Brockie and Stein up top has not worked at all the season.

I thought Boyd was poor tonight. Zero impact

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about 12 years ago
AJ13 wrote:
Steve-O wrote:

Cannot believe that was the same team that beat WSW. Although, it wasn't because that team did not contain the passenger Hernandez. He seriously has to be dropped next game. Offers absolutely nothing. Even his set pieces are woeful - hits the first man every time!

We played well for maybe 20 minutes in the game but overall we just could not seem to string any decent passes together and Reddy had a very quiet time in their goal.

Disappointing after the last few weeks.

Free kicks have obviously never been a priority at the club. We've never had anyone who can take them since Daniel, we just aimlessly lash them in, you can tell we don't train for set pieces in this department,

You have got to be having a laugh,your memory is fading if you think his free kicks were any better.
Very disappointed in Carlos ,if thats how he is going to play when he is supposedly happy i hope like fuck him and his Mrs dont argue to much.

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History
austin10 wrote:

Mariners got their tactics bang on IMO. I didn't believe the hype prematch that they were going to be easy. They are a Championship winning side, they are third on the table and even though they have lost a couple of players they have plenty of players who know how to close out games. Plus we always struggle against them.


Tactically they looked like they knew we were not going to hurt them out wide. Boxall and Muscat are OK players but they are not going to skin you on the outside....as long as their defenders stayed goalside then they were sweet. As a result they  could pack the central midfield. This is where we struggled. We just could not get anything going in this area. Carlos was heavily marked and tended to drop deeper and deeper to receive out of the traffic. End result we were building our attacks from too deep. We were also not going wide at the top end of the pitch and resorted to playing centrally trying to hit the front guys with 30 metre passes. 


Normally Ernie is great with his subs....this time he screwed it up a bit IMO. The Stein/Boyd combo has been great for us....also Boyds pace and skill out wide would have been real handy earlier on. As it turned out our most potent combo did not get on the pitch at the same time....which is bizarre. Surely Brockies time for starting games must be over. Boyd was instantly more lively and threatening. Why did Stein come off?  he's just had a weeks rest....and he is our best scorer. Hard to say if Carlos was shit or they made him shit because of the heavy marking....will have to watch the replay. However one thing I have noticed is we play Ernies style a whole lot better with the nimble quicker guys like Boyd on the field...Carlos looks ponderous at times.


A draw is a fair result but with Victory and Roar to come getting points is not going to be easy. Certainly we will have to up our game bigtime next week. Victory won't be as slack on attack as CCM were.

I think this is bang on Austin. We did start our attacks from deeper as the game went on and guys in the midfield were trying to slip that miracle 25y pass through their back 4 that got picked off every time.

I think the one error we made in the first half is when we did not have possession, we tended to pressure the ball to a great degree but forgot about the man that they they left so the quick flick ons out of coverage left us scrambling. I think we need to be careful with this. Organised sides will get out of that quickly. Against the Heart, they would crumble. The goal Simon scored was when Durante ran at the guy that flicked it on with his chest to Simon (whom Durante left) and bang.

I picked a 1 goal win and I remember a lot of people picking a win by 2 which was always going to be ambitious. They didn't have a midfield so they sent the ball out wide, around it and invariably, Matt Simon dropped off a bit and played a play maker role. I can't stand him but I would not object if he played for us. Just a gobby cunt. Phil Moss can take a bow for adjusting the team cause they still looked useful. They do miss Zwaanswijk at the back through as at times, they just panicked.

I was really surprised that Carlos was not dragged instead of Stein. This year, Carlos, while not look like a massive influence, has been heavily marked because he is the only play maker we have hence mark out Carlos, kill the Phoenix attack. We look better with Stein there because he does not get as much coverage. I think this is where a tactical adjustment by Ernie would be good in using Carlos as a dummy man at times and get Stein to drop and push Carlos or Kenny on. We become very predictable on attack and easy to mark when Carlos is the one expected to do it all. Use him as a decoy perhaps, then he may free up more. He has not looked great by his own standards, but its not like Lia, Brockie or anyone else is getting marked hard because they sag off those players so why not try Stein in there and use Carlos as the dummy man at times.

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about 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:

Interesting.  I thought Riera had a poor game by his standards.

Jeez, I thought Riera was great today, won so much ball and didn't make silly fouls


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about 12 years ago

What worried me most with Hernandez was his free kicks and corners, which were woeful apart from the one were Siggy fouled.

Way past time to give them to someone else, or maybe PRACTICE them a bit more(?) .



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about 12 years ago
Fenix wrote:
Junior82 wrote:

Interesting.  I thought Riera had a poor game by his standards.

Jeez, I thought Riera was great today, won so much ball and didn't make silly fouls



First half he was so so (but the whole team were rather pants).  Had a better second half (but the whole team got jiggy with it as well).

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about 12 years ago
Seb wrote:

Carlos is a class player but today he was woeful. When Carlos is on form he is no doubt one of the best players in the league. I agree that he is definitely not performing well enough at the moment. If he were to be dropped next week would Hicks replace him? Hasn't Ernie said that he doesn't see Hicks as a creative midfielder? 

Krishna up front, drop stein back to take Hernandez position and Hernandez to the bench. 

Allegedly

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about 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:
Seb wrote:

Carlos is a class player but today he was woeful. When Carlos is on form he is no doubt one of the best players in the league. I agree that he is definitely not performing well enough at the moment. If he were to be dropped next week would Hicks replace him? Hasn't Ernie said that he doesn't see Hicks as a creative midfielder? 

Krishna up front, drop stein back to take Hernandez position and Hernandez to the bench. 

Hernandez's Hideaway?

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about 12 years ago

Arse.

Feck.


Nostalgia isnt what it used to be...........

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about 12 years ago

Worthington's match report on Stuff now. Pretty accurate I say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:
Seb wrote:

Carlos is a class player but today he was woeful. When Carlos is on form he is no doubt one of the best players in the league. I agree that he is definitely not performing well enough at the moment. If he were to be dropped next week would Hicks replace him? Hasn't Ernie said that he doesn't see Hicks as a creative midfielder? 

Krishna up front, drop stein back to take Hernandez position and Hernandez to the bench. 

Or Ridenton?

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about 12 years ago

Dont think Carlos has shown us anything like his best form in any game this season.Yes when he brings his A game he is one of the best but we have still to see it.

Seem to recall he used to drift in and out of games when he was at the Victory,but unlike with us when he was in the game for them he was delivering a lot more. 


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about 12 years ago

I wonder if Hernandez should be benched against Victory. He would have no secrets  - they all (well, most of them) know him well and what he does. I agree with others that dropping him, and putting Stein in his place instead, might work against the Tards.

The problem is, Carlos is expensive. Keeping him on the bench is not a long-term answer, especially just after he hastily re-signed for the second season ("The Totori Clause"). Welnix may not have a say on the player selection, but they would be entitled to ask questions if they're getting value for their investment.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago

At least at a Victory he was scoring a few goals and free kicks were immense. His shooting for us has been wayward to say the least.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 12 years ago

It's odd looking at no Leo even in the squad and two similar players in Hicks and Ridenton, as well as two similar players in Boyd and Khrishna. Surely we lacked width and our experienced winger and last years full back wasn't even in the squad...



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about 12 years ago
martinb wrote:

It's odd looking at no Leo even in the squad and two similar players in Hicks and Ridenton, as well as two similar players in Boyd and Khrishna. Surely we lacked width and our experienced winger and last years full back wasn't even in the squad...

I agree totally

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about 12 years ago

I am slowly developing paranoidal suspicion that we may need Lochhead back for a guest stint.



Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 12 years ago
Steve-O wrote:

Worthington's match report on Stuff now. Pretty accurate I say.

So was Tyler Boyd fouled in the penalty area or not?

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about 12 years ago
Mainland FC wrote:

I wonder if Hernandez should be benched against Victory. He would have no secrets  - they all (well, most of them) know him well and what he does. I agree with others that dropping him, and putting Stein in his place instead, might work against the Tards.

The problem is, Carlos is expensive. Keeping him on the bench is not a long-term answer, especially just after he hastily re-signed for the second season ("The Totori Clause"). Welnix may not have a say on the player selection, but they would be entitled to ask questions if they're getting value for their investment.


We are all wondering why he was not subbed, I think.  Ernie will be very keen to find a way to get him doing his job, so:  1.  He gets Carlos fitter playing him for the full 90 without mercy, and; 2. he is clearly saying to Carlos you are here to run this team, do it, no excuses, no subs. 
Good luck with that Ernie.  I agree he needs to play Carlos as much as possible, hoping he can come right, because otherwise he'll become an expensive passenger.

Not sure I subscribe to the "he gets marked tighter" theory.
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about 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:
Steve-O wrote:

Worthington's match report on Stuff now. Pretty accurate I say.

So was Tyler Boyd fouled in the penalty area or not?

No

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about 12 years ago

I still don't know if Boyd was fouled. Possibly not to be honest. Went over a little easy and needs to work on his diving technique!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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about 12 years ago

My first reaction from aisle 23 was that he went over a bit too easily. I haven't seen the tv coverage.

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about 12 years ago

There was contact at the knees, very slight. But I hate seeing players go down for this especially when they simulate as Boyd did, it ruins the games reputation. Im glad the ref didn't award it. Unless its blatantly obvious contact I don't like seeing them be awarded.

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about 12 years ago

Both teams were playing with their backlines very high, especially in the first half, which compressed all 20 players into about 30 metres of the field at times. It was especially noticeable from the kickoffs. This made it quite hard for us to work the ball through the compressed midfield, and so we often resorted to trying to put balls over the top for Stein/Brockie to run onto with little success. In this scenario someone with a bit of pace like Boyd would have been very handy to have on in the first half.

Agreed Carlos wasn't the best today, but to be honest I'm more worried about Kenny. Might be hidden by the goal that he scored (which was absolute class), but his defensive "work" down the right really puts us under pressure IMO. He either goes missing too often, or if he is there gets strolled straight past. Not just this game either.

I haven't heard too many good things about Matt Simon this season, but he must be one of those players that defenders hate playing against, and was very effective I thought. For a big man he puts himself about a lot, and doesn't back away from challenges. Good finish also.

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about 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:
Steve-O wrote:

Worthington's match report on Stuff now. Pretty accurate I say.

So was Tyler Boyd fouled in the penalty area or not?

No. Not even close.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

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about 12 years ago · edited about 12 years ago · History

My 2c: 

MOM Riera. Or possibly McBreen :)

Bench Brockie.

Cunningham is not a midfielder, he's a striker, use him as such. So many times he butchered the "midfield type" action that I was moaning about how crap he was just before he scored.

So:

  Boxy (or leo who brings more on attack but less on defense), Siggy, Dura, Muscat

  Riera, Lia

  Hernandez

  Boyd Waffles Cunningham

Subs: Brockie (on for Cunningham or Boyd @60mins), Leo/Boxy, Ridenton, Krishna(on for Cunningham or Boyd @80mins), Italiano

Benefit of Boxy on the bench is that he effectively provides injury cover for the entire back four. Krishna showed enough to get another run off the bench (emphasis on the "run").

So many of our goals have come from turnovers and quick attacks that I was quite grumpy when I was seeing Riera or Hernandez looking like they were about to get a turnover and Waffles, Brockie and Cunningham all sitting in an offside position because they were too slow to get back by 3 meters.

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about 12 years ago


Thought CCM were good value, and we did well to get back in the game and get a point out of it. We were flat with no momentum from WSW game in the first half after the 11 day break (or whatever it was) and were outplayed until the second half. That compressed midfield in the conditions didn't suit us either, so hope the wind stays away next Sat night.    

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about 12 years ago

First 30 odd minutes was complete dross. I think that period was the worst we have played this year. Gradually started coming into it after that. Not impressed with the ref at all, haven't seen a replay but looked like he made a huge number of mistakes. Krishna looked pretty sharp when he came on, better than I expected, hopefully I was wrong about him. All the subs did actually although I think Merrick should have taken off Hernandez rather than Hysugems. Time well past it for Brockie to be moved to the bench; completely out of form, low on confidence and doesn't look to be working hard enough off the ball.

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about 12 years ago

We need more of a game plan against CCM. We struggle with their compact defence. We aren't prepared to release a quick counter through ball and out wide we only have our fullbacks who are not prepared or not able to attack quickly. Our passing isn't good/creative  enough yet to break them down. The number of through balls that didn't get through was a lot. I think maybe when cunning/waff/Brockie all stuffed up in a row it was one of the only successful ones?

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