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about 8 years ago

Fox equals Seamonster. 



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about 8 years ago

Question for the next game is whether we stick with the 5 at the back or move to a 4

Normo's coming home

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about 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

Just on the VAR intervention, I really do not understand what went on there.  Conger sees it and gives a yellow, presumably he felt that the defenders were close enough to mean it wasn't an obvious goal scoring opportunity.  VAR reviews it and says what, we think it's red go and take another look?  

He then runs to the side of the pitch where apparently he sees the same replay we saw, 2 out of the four replays were close ups of the actual tackle.  He knows it's a foul as he has alreayd blown for a free kick so I don't understand what that replay was showing.  None of the replays I thought actually showed enough for the ref to change his mind on the real question which was a wide angle to show how close the other defenders were.  In the end I think he got the decision right but I just struggle with the whole process.

I don't think that the VAR just takes what is broadcast, they probably are able to access all relevant camera angles - so probably not focusing on the challenge.
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about 8 years ago

Back four IMO and it was nice to see a more positive Phoenix yesterday. Just a few comments / questions:

1) Will we see Rossi again in a Phoenix shirt? Seemed pretty unhappy when taken off and the performance of Fox (outstanding!) may suggest no.

2) I'm 50 / 50 on Ridenton. I feel that as a DM he is the best we have, apart from Paracki, which isn't saying much. As an AM he has moments but I'd rather have Singh. It seems, based on the comments here, that most fans don't like him, but in the Australia media he is regarded much more fondly.

3) I'm not convinced by Paracki. He is talented but it would be fair to say he hasn't lived up to expectations and he has had a few (a lot of) shockers, mixed in with a couple of quite good games. But he still seems not to get as much criticism as other players.

4) How good was Burns yesterday? A front three of him, Krishna and AK should cause a few teams headaches.

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about 8 years ago

number8 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

foal30 wrote:

james dean wrote:

Just on the VAR intervention, I really do not understand what went on there.  Conger sees it and gives a yellow, presumably he felt that the defenders were close enough to mean it wasn't an obvious goal scoring opportunity.  VAR reviews it and says what, we think it's red go and take another look?  

He then runs to the side of the pitch where apparently he sees the same replay we saw, 2 out of the four replays were close ups of the actual tackle.  He knows it's a foul as he has alreayd blown for a free kick so I don't understand what that replay was showing.  None of the replays I thought actually showed enough for the ref to change his mind on the real question which was a wide angle to show how close the other defenders were.  In the end I think he got the decision right but I just struggle with the whole process.

VAR is pants

Terrible decision to change the call to red card

As for the first half 'offside' the linesman is better positioned than the TV camera. So more than ok it was flagged. Offside will always be the tough one and VAR can't solve that. I also don't believe having such a long stoppage helps anyone. IIRC 8 mins was added on ... Think there was 1 sub and 1 injury 

So yeah Luddite suggests technology is rubbish

Why was it a terrible decision? Red card all day long.

Was told at the after match last night the the officials apologise for making an incorrect call on the offside. 

The procedure should be, very close, NOT called it offside, linesmen calls the ref and VAR that it's a close call and let them play and score and then the VAR should make the call. This would be perfect and it would be very fast to decide.

Let's face it, the linesman only signals the offside, the ref decides whether to blow the whistle or not. So get the referees to manage those situations and have the players play to the whistle - simple.
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about 8 years ago

Nzstew wrote:

Back four IMO and it was nice to see a more positive Phoenix yesterday. Just a few comments / questions:

1) Will we see Rossi again in a Phoenix shirt? Seemed pretty unhappy when taken off and the performance of Fox (outstanding!) may suggest no.

2) I'm 50 / 50 on Ridenton. I feel that as a DM he is the best we have, apart from Paracki, which isn't saying much. As an AM he has moments but I'd rather have Singh. It seems, based on the comments here, that most fans don't like him, but in the Australia media he is regarded much more fondly.

3) I'm not convinced by Paracki. He is talented but it would be fair to say he hasn't lived up to expectations and he has had a few (a lot of) shockers, mixed in with a couple of quite good games. But he still seems not to get as much criticism as other players.

4) How good was Burns yesterday? A front three of him, Krishna and AK should cause a few teams headaches.

Interesting how two people can see things so differently. I totally disagree with 2 and 3 I think Paracki is one of the finest DM in the league. His work rate and accuracy are right up there with the best. Agree that he's had a couple of shockers, but let's be honest those can happen (especially in the early days). 

Also I don't think think the fans are against Singh. I think questions have been raised about his attitude, but from what I've read very few on here are actually qualified to assess. Would definitely like to see him more, but I'm not sure he could do what Riddenton does as he's not as strong physically or defensively.

I see Singh in the middle or on the win as part of the three who play just behind AK.


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about 8 years ago · edited about 8 years ago · History

There was one piece of unfounded speculation that Singh was dropped because of attitude issues. The journalist who said that later admitted he had no idea but it was the only thing he could think of because the kid performed well.

Most people on here are constantly asking for him to get game time.

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about 8 years ago

Nzstew wrote:

Back four IMO and it was nice to see a more positive Phoenix yesterday. Just a few comments / questions:

1) Will we see Rossi again in a Phoenix shirt? Seemed pretty unhappy when taken off and the performance of Fox (outstanding!) may suggest no.

2) I'm 50 / 50 on Ridenton. I feel that as a DM he is the best we have, apart from Paracki, which isn't saying much. As an AM he has moments but I'd rather have Singh. It seems, based on the comments here, that most fans don't like him, but in the Australia media he is regarded much more fondly.

3) I'm not convinced by Paracki. He is talented but it would be fair to say he hasn't lived up to expectations and he has had a few (a lot of) shockers, mixed in with a couple of quite good games. But he still seems not to get as much criticism as other players.

4) How good was Burns yesterday? A front three of him, Krishna and AK should cause a few teams headaches.

Interesting how two people can see things so differently. I totally disagree with 2 and 3 I think Paracki is one of the finest DM in the league. His work rate and accuracy are right up there with the best. Agree that he's had a couple of shockers, but let's be honest those can happen (especially in the early days). 

Also I don't think think the fans are against Singh. I think questions have been raised about his attitude, but from what I've read very few on here are actually qualified to assess. Would definitely like to see him more, but I'm not sure he could do what Riddenton does as he's not as strong physically or defensively.

I see Singh in the middle or on the win as part of the three who play just behind AK.

Sorry number 2 should read 'It seems, based on the comments here, that most fans don't like him (Ridenton), but in the Australia media he is regarded much more fondly.

Don't get me wrong. I hope Paracki turns it around and becomes one of the best players we have ever signed. But he has yet to dominate a game in my opinion and has yet to show that he can. Yes he has a great workrate (some of our other players could learn from him) but is his accuracy really that good. Also, I hope he eventually becomes the best DM in the A-league but would he even be considered a top-five DM in the league by anyone but Phoenix fans at the moment. Maybe, but he is IMO a level below a player like Isaias at the moment.


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about 8 years ago

What was the attendence for last night anyway? Was not put up on the screen.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

Question for the next game is whether we stick with the 5 at the back or move to a 4

Imagine we will stick with the 5. Even prior to the send off, thought we were playing pretty OK.

a.haak

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about 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

What was the attendence for last night anyway? Was not put up on the screen.

Sounded like 10K.

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about 8 years ago

number8 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

What was the attendence for last night anyway? Was not put up on the screen.

Sounded like 10K.

Looked like less than 3,000. Shame with the weather. But normal attendees missed out on a decent match where despite the result, the Nix actually looked interested and made an effort to win..which they eventually did.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

AK butchered 3 one on one's last night and has missed at least that much this season in previous games. 0 / 6 not good enough IMO.

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Nzstew wrote:

Nzstew wrote:

Back four IMO and it was nice to see a more positive Phoenix yesterday. Just a few comments / questions:

1) Will we see Rossi again in a Phoenix shirt? Seemed pretty unhappy when taken off and the performance of Fox (outstanding!) may suggest no.

2) I'm 50 / 50 on Ridenton. I feel that as a DM he is the best we have, apart from Paracki, which isn't saying much. As an AM he has moments but I'd rather have Singh. It seems, based on the comments here, that most fans don't like him, but in the Australia media he is regarded much more fondly.

3) I'm not convinced by Paracki. He is talented but it would be fair to say he hasn't lived up to expectations and he has had a few (a lot of) shockers, mixed in with a couple of quite good games. But he still seems not to get as much criticism as other players.

4) How good was Burns yesterday? A front three of him, Krishna and AK should cause a few teams headaches.

Interesting how two people can see things so differently. I totally disagree with 2 and 3 I think Paracki is one of the finest DM in the league. His work rate and accuracy are right up there with the best. Agree that he's had a couple of shockers, but let's be honest those can happen (especially in the early days). 

Don't get me wrong. I hope Paracki turns it around and becomes one of the best players we have ever signed. But he has yet to dominate a game in my opinion and has yet to show that he can. Yes he has a great workrate (some of our other players could learn from him) but is his accuracy really that good. Also, I hope he eventually becomes the best DM in the A-league but would he even be considered a top-five DM in the league by anyone but Phoenix fans at the moment. Maybe, but he is IMO a level below a player like Isaias at the moment.


Really? Paracki's shown how class he is on several occasions. I think part of the issue is that he's used to a different style of football (ie European) and that doesn't always translate here. Last night he made several tricky passes and our players just didn't anticipate them and he got frustrated. 

I appreviate he has t been a bit off recently, but you can say that about most players in the squad. Confidence plays a large part in how people perform

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about 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK butchered 3 one on one's last night and has missed at least that much this season in previous games. 0 / 6 not good enough IMO.

Drew a foul which led to a red card. Currently 3rd equal scorer in the league. Think he can be happy with his shift last night and this season personally

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK butchered 3 one on one's last night and has missed at least that much this season in previous games. 0 / 6 not good enough IMO.

Drew a foul which led to a red card. Currently 3rd equal scorer in the league. Think he can be happy with his shift last night and this season personally

his finishing with his head is first class, not the same with his feet
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about 8 years ago

Great game all in all.

I was worried when MVC went down to 10 as we have played poorly against 10 in the past and I expected them to do exactly as they did - park the bus and hit us on the counter.

One thing must be said, even before the sending off, we seemed to come out of the sheds with a different attitude and put MVC under the pump from the start. Sure, the red card changed the game, but I like to think that DK is getting through to his players.

Even if we'd lost yesterday, we certainly wouldn't have looked like a team that's not trying or that's against the coach, just a team that squanders chances and makes the wrong decisions in the final third.

Thought Paracki had a blinder, good game by Mullen. Doyle not so good, but he did face Kosta who was MVC best player on the night. Riddenton needs to get a few goals under his belt and grow his confidence. For his age he has huge potential. He's not as classy or promising as a young Marco or Kosta, but I don't think we ever used a Kiwi player so young as much as we've used him, right? So with more time he'll develop nicely.

Great performance by Dura and Fox as well. Krishna is just Roy - a beast who never gives up. AK unfortunate not to bag another and Burns changed the game ultimately although his decision making was poor going forward sometimes.

Finally, DK has balls. Taking Rossi off and keeping Fox on, taking WeeMac off after 45' for the new guy (who didn't impress, but it's too early to call), were not easy decisions to make. As time goes on, my appreciation for DK grows. He seems to know what he wants and not stop at anything to achieve it. I love this attitude in football. He's also shown remarkable flexibility for a coach, trying new tactics and combinations out of this rout. Really hope we can turn our season around now.

Agree with almost all of that, except our defence looked vulnerable still against a ten man Victory. I don't feel like rating Dura and Mullen et al too highly in a game where they didn't get put under consistent pressure and when they gave up another very weak goal. And looked brittle at other times I thought. Doyle mainly at fault for the goal, but hard to get excited by Dura's leadership and organisation when the cover for Doyle largely wasn't able to compensate for his error.

Great result, but that D is still a work in progress. Fox helped though and I thought I saw enough to say we can do without Rossi if Fox is fit. But still agree with Darije that the D still needs strengthening.

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about 8 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

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Agree with almost all of that, except our defence looked vulnerable still against a ten man Victory. I don't feel like rating Dura and Mullen et al too highly in a game where they didn't get put under consistent pressure and when they gave up another very weak goal. And looked brittle at other times I thought. Doyle mainly at fault for the goal, but hard to get excited by Dura's leadership and organisation when the cover for Doyle largely wasn't able to compensate for his error.

Great result, but that D is still a work in progress. Fox helped though and I thought I saw enough to say we can do without Rossi if Fox is fit. But still agree with Darije that the D still needs strengthening.

I could agree to a point on Dura's leadership on the park, since it's been a problem (in my eyes) in the first part of the season. However, I do not find much fault with his performance as a CB last night.  I would say that Kosta's goal was not a single player's fault.  Fox marked Berisha out of the game, but Doyle and Dura combined to give Kosta a chance. Italiano guessed wrongly and did not cover his near post. He should have saved it at the near post, but it was a fine shot from a good striker.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Having driven down from Palmerston North for the game I am pleased that I decided to attend. This was a reassuring performance from the team and has put to rest some of the concerns that I had regarding the game strategy and skill levels shown previously.

Burns and Krishna were attacking and creative on the wings. The new boy looked promising in midfield. He's a big lad and hopefully will add some physical presence in midfield which we have lacked.

I also thought it a good sign that we attempted some innovation at corners even though the execution left something to be desired.

All up a good effort from the boys and shows that we have the potential to be a good side. Let's see if the momentum continues on Saturday.

COYN

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If AK could finish with his feet as well as he does with his head we wouldn't be able to afford him!

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 8 years ago

If AK could finish with his feet as well as he does with his head we wouldn't be able to afford him!

so true,

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 8 years ago

Not sure if mentioned previously (not that I could see), but the offside law already does give benefit of doubt to attacking team:

"If an AR is not totally sure about an offside offence, the flag should not be raised".

Though in reality I'm not sure that ARs actually do follow that.

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about 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

mjp2 wrote:

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Agree with almost all of that, except our defence looked vulnerable still against a ten man Victory. I don't feel like rating Dura and Mullen et al too highly in a game where they didn't get put under consistent pressure and when they gave up another very weak goal. And looked brittle at other times I thought. Doyle mainly at fault for the goal, but hard to get excited by Dura's leadership and organisation when the cover for Doyle largely wasn't able to compensate for his error.

Great result, but that D is still a work in progress. Fox helped though and I thought I saw enough to say we can do without Rossi if Fox is fit. But still agree with Darije that the D still needs strengthening.

I could agree to a point on Dura's leadership on the park, since it's been a problem (in my eyes) in the first part of the season. However, I do not find much fault with his performance as a CB last night.  I would say that Kosta's goal was not a single player's fault.  Fox marked Berisha out of the game, but Doyle and Dura combined to give Kosta a chance. Italiano guessed wrongly and did not cover his near post. He should have saved it at the near post, but it was a fine shot from a good striker.

Dura was marking Berisha in the first half, Dura and Fox switched in the 2nd - possibly just to counter Kosta's pace. Berisha just as quiet both halves.
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about 8 years ago

Colvinator wrote:

Not sure if mentioned previously (not that I could see), but the offside law already does give benefit of doubt to attacking team:

"If an AR is not totally sure about an offside offence, the flag should not be raised".

Though in reality I'm not sure that ARs actually do follow that.

effectively the flag should only be raised if you're absolutely certain the player is offside - which, in theory, is impossible

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 8 years ago

 Shark some of you are hard,thought Ljujic did okay for a first start like all new players he probably tried some things  in trying to impress team mates and  the fans. Where i was there plenty who went holy shark when he took that first shot.

Given he and Burns have had little time in training with the squad there were some very promising signs.

Yep things were far from perfect but im thankful i dont live in some of your worlds because shark sure some of you would moan no matter how good things got.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 8 years ago

Before i start let me state im a Fox Fan

However something else i find interesting is that many were prepared to cast him a drift,yet on the back of one performance all is forgotton. As previously he needs to follow that performance up with more of the same. Sat behind the goal in the 2nd half and Berisha was getting well PO with him seems as if he really got under his skin.  


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 8 years ago

theprof wrote:

If AK could finish with his feet as well as he does with his head we wouldn't be able to afford him!

so true,

Funny how it seems

E's Flat Ah's Flat Too

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about 8 years ago

foal30 wrote:

theprof wrote:

If AK could finish with his feet as well as he does with his head we wouldn't be able to afford him!

so true,

Funny how it seems

.... then we could also call him a flat track bully...

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

foal30 wrote:

theprof wrote:

If AK could finish with his feet as well as he does with his head we wouldn't be able to afford him!

so true,

Funny how it seems

.... then we could also call him a flat track bully...


More like an aerial master...

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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Mainland FC wrote:

foal30 wrote:

theprof wrote:

If AK could finish with his feet as well as he does with his head we wouldn't be able to afford him!

so true,

Funny how it seems

.... then we could also call him a flat track bully...


More like an aerial master...

I would tune into that!

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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I was sitting in aisle 26. I thought Krishna was in an offside position the moment I saw it, then looked  to see if the AR would flag. Was tight call, but my instinct was just off -admitedly I wasn't perfectly in line.

I'm never going to AR at this level, but do at Central league, for what it's worth. I think the Offside call was right.

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about 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK butchered 3 one on one's last night and has missed at least that much this season in previous games. 0 / 6 not good enough IMO.

But he scored 5+ out of nothing. Funny how people spin things, just the guy some credit.

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about 8 years ago

number8 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK butchered 3 one on one's last night and has missed at least that much this season in previous games. 0 / 6 not good enough IMO.

But he scored 5+ out of nothing. Funny how people spin things, just the guy some credit.

The shoulder in the middle of the back did not help one of them(Penalty any other day - imo)

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about 8 years ago

number8 wrote:

MetalLegNZ wrote:

AK butchered 3 one on one's last night and has missed at least that much this season in previous games. 0 / 6 not good enough IMO.

But he scored 5+ out of nothing. Funny how people spin things, just the guy some credit.

He's scored impossible headers and missed several relatively easy 1on1s. A bit strange. He should've had 3-4 goals from the last 3 games, and that's being generous.

a.haak

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about 8 years ago

Be interesting if he can take a pen, otherwise we might call him Brockie 2.0, score the hard goals, miss the easy ones.

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about 8 years ago

Not saying I do't appreciate his goals, but he has missed some pretty good chances without criticism.

Personally i think he is a little limited, lacks pace, his work ethic is not huge and his finishing should be better.

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about 8 years ago

Some of the other keepers or ex keepers on here might agree but I ,always used to fancy my chances as a keeper in a one on one situation. I'd think for a striker [or any outfielder] the pressure is on them to score is huge and if they know the keeper is coming the old pulse will be racing. I remember one game where my theory was severed shattered, Gary Pattison [I think his name was] from Stop Out left me holding my dick in my hand as he stopped, casually dribbled around me and slotted the ball home. I could only stand up and applaud.

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about 8 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:

Not saying I do't appreciate his goals, but he has missed some pretty good chances without criticism.

Personally i think he is a little limited, lacks pace, his work ethic is not huge and his finishing should be better.

Without commenting on other aspects, I would say his work ethic in the game on Wed night was commendable.

It could be, again, just due to Darije trying to stamp his mark on the team discipline, which seemed to me somewhat loose previously.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Some of the other keepers or ex keepers on here might agree but I ,always used to fancy my chances as a keeper in a one on one situation. I'd think for a striker [or any outfielder] the pressure is on them to score is huge and if they know the keeper is coming the old pulse will be racing. I remember one game where my theory was severed shattered, Gary Pattison [I think his name was] from Stop Out left me holding my dick in my hand as he stopped, casually dribbled around me and slotted the ball home. I could only stand up and applaud.

Classic Gary.



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about 8 years ago

If AK could finish with his feet as well as he does with his head we wouldn't be able to afford him!

Lol..sort of like Heysegems but in reverse

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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