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R16 vs Wanderers | Sunday 8th Feb | 7:00pm | SS2

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about 11 years ago

I would have though that you shoot if you think you can score, regardless of 10/30 metres.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 11 years ago

Yes. But you chance of scoring are signifcantly greater (about 5 times) when you shot inside the box.

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about 11 years ago

Complaints about us not shooting enough yesterday are interesting because Roly took long range pot shots at least 3 or 4 times, only one of which was even faintly dangerous, plus I remember Riera and someone else skying speculators into row Z. I thought at the time that it was an indication of how well WSW were dealing with us. 

Overall I have no complaints about our attack at all. Krishna went desperately close twice but both times Mullen just did enough to get in his way. On another day and with a bit more luck we would've come away with a point or even all three.

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about 11 years ago

Wow someone just called radio sport and suggested that Ridenton and Hicks might do a better job then our current midfield :/

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about 11 years ago

KG19 wrote:

Wow someone just called radio sport and suggested that Ridenton and Hicks might do a better job then our current midfield :/

Lots of people ring Radio Sport instead of posting here.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 11 years ago

What does Martin Devlin think?

"Phoenix till they lose"

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about 11 years ago

Those talkback types with their lunatic opinions, thank God we don't have anything like that around here.

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about 11 years ago · edited about 11 years ago · History

Outpost wrote:

Complaints about us not shooting enough yesterday are interesting because Roly took long range pot shots at least 3 or 4 times, only one of which was even faintly dangerous, plus I remember Riera and someone else skying speculators into row Z. I thought at the time that it was an indication of how well WSW were dealing with us. 

Overall I have no complaints about our attack at all. Krishna went desperately close twice but both times Mullen just did enough to get in his way. On another day and with a bit more luck we would've come away with a point or even all three.

Also the stats analysis that we were winning cos we had shots from near the target. Let's face it they were desperate and determined and we didn't snaffle our openings. 

edit:ah right, those ones that 2nd best posted half a dozen comments ago.

Also on Hicks- didn't he come off the bench and score us a winner towards the end of last season? Maybe should be given a chance to push Lia for a spot? Was good enough last season to do plenty of time...



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about 11 years ago

How to score from corners..like the last one.  Hope link works...

http://bit.ly/18Zc3GP

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about 11 years ago · edited about 11 years ago · History

Boro4eva wrote:

How to score from corners..like the last one.  Hope link works...

http://bit.ly/18Zc3GP

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about 11 years ago

I just wish that we would admit that we don't have either the players to aim at or the accuracy in our delivery to whip corners into the box. 

You made some good points Conan bar this one. I would be surprised if Wee Mac cleared the first man on more than 10% of his corners. He was utterly poor, and it's been a theme of a lot of our corners this year. I truly can't comprehend why you can see better corner deliveries in Cap 14 than you can from professional footballers.

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about 11 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Boro4eva wrote:

How to score from corners..like the last one.  Hope link works...

http://bit.ly/18Zc3GP

Great goals from both sides but we specialize on goals from 5 yards. I wish we would have a go from the edge of tge 18 yard box from corners.

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about 11 years ago

Re: the long shots thing. I don't think that we should take more long shots generally, because the way we have been attacking has been working really well throughout the season. However, yesterday we were struggling to create the space to shoot from close range and WSW were holding off us until we got near the box. I think as the 2nd half wore on especially it was becoming obvious we were finding it difficult to break them down. In fact, we made nearly 150 more passes than them but attempted 2 less shots. Shooting from longer range might not necessarily have led to more goals but it might have made the WSW defenders come out to press us further away from their goal, which might have opened some space up in the box. Basically I think we needed a plan B but we don't have the players to play a different style. 

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about 11 years ago

brumbys wrote:

I just wish that we would admit that we don't have either the players to aim at or the accuracy in our delivery to whip corners into the box. 

You made some good points Conan bar this one. I would be surprised if Wee Mac cleared the first man on more than 10% of his corners. He was utterly poor, and it's been a theme of a lot of our corners this year. I truly can't comprehend why you can see better corner deliveries in Cap 14 than you can from professional footballers.

Yeah, but even if our delivery into the box was better we still have a team of midgets. Even our centre backs are on the short side for players in their position

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about 11 years ago

Tyler wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

BWTCF and Patrick!

Patrick didn't look happy

Patrick wasn't happy. We did well to escape the ground without a punch being thrown to be honest.


Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


Phoenix fans. We have to win them over one fan at a time.

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about 11 years ago

Steve-O wrote:
To sum up - far too much tippy-tappy football around the edge of the box. Absolutely dire crossing whether from open play, free kicks or corners.

Fenton was average, Muscat not great, Roly improved after poor first half, Burns too greedy at times, Krishna barely involved, and McGlinchey not doing enough for me.

Agree with much of that Steve-o except Krishna was realyl good. He was our main threst using his pace to get around their defence.

Also the boys were absolutely DRENCHED in sweat when they came over to the fans after the final whistle. Never seen them so completely exhausted.


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about 11 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

I swear 99% of football fans are bipolar. We're gonna win the league to we're shark in less than two weeks.

The remaining 1% tend to exaggerate.

Rarely do you miss an opportunity Juniour, but that is poor form.

SURELY that should've read: "The reaminaing 4% tend to exaggerate"?

Staggered.


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about 11 years ago

brumbys wrote:

Few thoughts:

  • 2-0 flattered WSW
  • Wee Mac needs to up his game from corners, they were shocking
  • Burns should have had a penalty, his salmon fall didn't help but that looked like solid contact
  • We need to ping from distance more, fluffing about on the edge of the box doesn't help anyone
  • Muscat/all left sided players need to have the courage to use their left feet...how many times were they in good crossing positions and they cut back in and lost the chance?
  • WSW fans deserve a medal, sucking this season with a ridiculously hot day and they still turn on the numbers & the atmosphere well.
  • it's not all doom and gloom, sitting 4th with plenty of time in the season to re-find our form

So much this.

The WSW fans I met were, with TWO exceptions, bloody good eggs. They were friendly before the game, and mostly humble, and somewhat resigned that they were anchoring the table and hadn't won. The RBB were magnificent in trying conditions. They were in the face of the scorching sun, and despite the fact it had cooled down a little bit by kick off and there was some breeze, they must have been doing it tough.

The WSW fans in the Western Stand with us were a silent humourless lot, although some did chuckle and clap some of our chants. 

After the game most of them were stil friendly and enganging too.

Also, some perspective... we have not torn WSW apart all season. Both the previous games we won 1 - 0 and this one they were up 1 - 0 against us until very late. It didn't go our way this time just as it didn't go their way the previous two games. The game was similar to the first two games against them.

And we're in the top four.

We're gonna win again at the Hutt Wreck.


Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


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about 11 years ago

Fenix wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

I don't think Burns and Krishna were our weak parts of the game.

Are WSW any more familiar with playing on a narrow pitch?

Was it narrow? How narrow? It certainlylooked like there was no space out there, I put that down to WSW’s size and wall-like approach.

The pitch was not narrow, and the grass was not long. It was immaculate. Penrith Stadium was awesome.


Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.


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about 11 years ago

bwtcf wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

I swear 99% of football fans are bipolar. We're gonna win the league to we're shark in less than two weeks.

The remaining 1% tend to exaggerate.

Rarely do you miss an opportunity Juniour, but that is poor form.

SURELY that should've read: "The reaminaing 4% tend to exaggerate"?

Staggered.

It was one of the 97% posts?

"Phoenix till they lose"

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about 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Long odds to see Boyd back next year. 

Wouldn't it be equally long odds that Cunningham is back next year?

Normo's coming home

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about 11 years ago

if rumours are to be believed.

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about 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

if rumours are to be believed.

Just seems a bit odd that Cunningham gets in the team and Boyd doesn't but apparently Boyd can't get a game because he won't be here next year.  It would surprise me if that is the only reason, but does seem a bit odd all round.

We weren't miles off against WSW but getting the goal allowed them to defend deep and they're pretty good at doing that.  Bit of a sloppy performance.  Thought the subs were quite strange but then it was hot so you don't know who was suffering.  Boxall came on and looked very slow and clumsy which wasn't ideal when we were playing against a compressed defence and needed to try and get round the back out wide.

Krishna's form is great and he's a real bright spot.  Overall we still look a good side, lost a close one but that's going to happen, we've probably had our fair share of luck to win some close ones.  I still think our biggest weakness is at fullback

Normo's coming home

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about 11 years ago

james dean wrote:

Overall we still look a good side, lost a close one but that's going to happen, we've probably had our fair share of luck to win some close ones. 

Not sure we have this season.  Close games were vs WSW (1-0 wins) but I don't recollect them as being down to good luck.

I think we have been unlucky not to steal a couple of draws (vs Perth, Roar and ... long bow... Adelaide) and very unlucky not to get the win against CCM at Eden Park.

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about 11 years ago

bwtcf wrote:

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So much this.

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And we're in the top four.

We're gonna win again at the Hutt Wreck.

May the long arm of The Hutt be with us!

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 11 years ago

Re: the long shots thing. I don't think that we should take more long shots generally, because the way we have been attacking has been working really well throughout the season. However, yesterday we were struggling to create the space to shoot from close range and WSW were holding off us until we got near the box. I think as the 2nd half wore on especially it was becoming obvious we were finding it difficult to break them down. In fact, we made nearly 150 more passes than them but attempted 2 less shots. Shooting from longer range might not necessarily have led to more goals but it might have made the WSW defenders come out to press us further away from their goal, which might have opened some space up in the box. Basically I think we needed a plan B but we don't have the players to play a different style. 

This was largely the point I was trying to make yesterday. Its not so much shooting from distance in the hope you'll hit the miracle one but more making sure the defence stay honest. At the moment, they camp in/on the 18 cause they know they don't need to defend out there. Essentially if you know a team is not going to shoot outside the 18, why go out and defend it? Leave them out there and let them have possession cause possession alone does not win games. Fire a couple of rockets and then they have to think twice about standing off of you so they come out to defend it on the off chance you MAY shoot and then it opens the space up again.

Its not so much a plan B as such but a variation of plan A to ensure teams don't park the bus. If we happen to get one, great (as much as the odds do not support it) but its the need to force them to defend from 30 out and not 18 out and remove the congestion.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 11 years ago

james dean wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

if rumours are to be believed.

Just seems a bit odd that Cunningham gets in the team and Boyd doesn't but apparently Boyd can't get a game because he won't be here next year.  It would surprise me if that is the only reason, but does seem a bit odd all round.
Very much this.

Being suspicious, I think Declan has a hand in this as he does with all his players. It would not surprised me if the thought process was 'well you played for the AWs, you are worth a bit more' when the reality is that he plays in the ASBP and has not scored as much as his position dictates at HAL level (and I know there is a goal per min stat etc)

If we are objective, Boyd is a good squad man whom can give you mins in our team but he is not a starter considering the form of Burns and Krishna. He would not get an import gig in other HAL sides so I am guessing they are leveraging their position vs a stint in Europe.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 11 years ago

I don't see anything wrong with that, if that is the case.

A fan is a fan.

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about 11 years ago

Except Cunningham coming on when we are 1-0 against the bottom team in the table. This is hurting us this season. It seems bizarre and odd.



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about 11 years ago

Listening to Merrick on the podcast seems to intimate that he doesn't think of him as one of the "best 15 players".

A fan is a fan.

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about 11 years ago

I guess if you compare them, Cunningham is not a striker where as Boyd is. I suspect in a foot race, Cunningham is quicker.

They each offer qualities I guess and its tough to say if one is definitively better than the other in terms of what you are specifically looking for them to do.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 11 years ago

Maybe with his American heritage, He might end up in the MLS?.

Mr Positive

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about 11 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

I guess if you compare them, Cunningham is not a striker where as Boyd is. I suspect in a foot race, Cunningham is quicker.

They each offer qualities I guess and its tough to say if one is definitively better than the other in terms of what you are specifically looking for them to do.

Kenny's eyes are better.

Boyd's hair is flash.

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about 11 years ago

I'm not as down on Cunningham as Hard News but Boyd has shown infinitley more in the brief times he's played. 

Has also scored 6 in the ASB.

A fan is a fan.

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about 11 years ago

Royz wrote:

Maybe with his American heritage, He might end up in the MLS?.

Quite possibly been tapped up already IMO.

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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about 11 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I guess if you compare them, Cunningham is not a striker where as Boyd is. I suspect in a foot race, Cunningham is quicker.

They each offer qualities I guess and its tough to say if one is definitively better than the other in terms of what you are specifically looking for them to do.

Kenny's eyes are better.

Boyd's hair is flash.

Kenny's eyes are like Marty Feldman

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Leggy wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

I guess if you compare them, Cunningham is not a striker where as Boyd is. I suspect in a foot race, Cunningham is quicker.

They each offer qualities I guess and its tough to say if one is definitively better than the other in terms of what you are specifically looking for them to do.

Kenny's eyes are better.

Boyd's hair is flash.

Kenny's eyes are like Marty Feldman

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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about 11 years ago

Incidentally, have we done well in any recent games when both Kenny and Boyd were on the park together?

They have different strengths and may provide useful backup when Krishna gets tired and our other wing is sluggish.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 11 years ago
Or perhapes Ernie is making sure Boyd is ready for the jump up. He is getting game time, training with the team etc. Maybe instead of (rumoured) contract negotiations Ernie just wants Boyd to be completely ready. Unlike Cunningham who has had more experience and with no drop in capped players may still have another season here, if he wants it.
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about 11 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Seen people suggest we should shoot from distance more. This grapgh shows why we shouldn't. The more you shoot from distance they lower your conversion rate. 

So that graph looks good BUT how many shots have we had?  Only TWO in this game, hard to mess stats up like if you don't shoot at all.

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