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R17 vs Adelaide United | Sun 29th Jan | 7:00pm | Coopers Stadium

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about 9 years ago

It was hot yes but it was hot for both teams . Not just ours . 

The heat is just an excuse . We dont need excuses , just keep training hard and eventually results will come .

We can beat any team this season and we have showed that 

 COYN

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about 9 years ago

Sorry Chef....

The conditions may of been the same, but conditioning no. Adelaide train in that heat and are use to the toll it takes on the body, where as our players are currently enjoying the worst summer I can remember... with little sun and plenty of wind.

Playing in conditions 20 degrees warmer than you are use to with intensity is the definition of hard.

We were out played, but I think the biggest contributing factor to that had to be the weather... did Adelaide have players throwing up at half time like we did?

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about 9 years ago

chefmivec wrote:

It was hot yes but it was hot for both teams . Not just ours . 

The heat is just an excuse . We dont need excuses , just keep training hard and eventually results will come .

We can beat any team this season and we have showed that 

 COYN

Adelaide players would be living and training in temps much closer to that on a regular basis, you would expect them to not be as effected. Though it is still dangerous to both sets of players.

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about 9 years ago

We don't have a great record in Adelaide so I'm happy to take a point. A bit miffed by some of the coaching decisions  - when it became obvious that we were sitting deep and trying to hit them on the counter it was strange to keep Smeltz on the pitch for so long. He's too slow for that game and he was just isolated and unable to contribute anything. Our midfield was stretched to breaking point because of the massive amount of space Lia and A-Rod were left covering yet there was no help brought on for them. We also just left that last sub really late considering how hot it was and how spent our whole team looked.

The game got quite stretched and lots of space. Finkler is better with players closer to play shorts passes and one-twos, when it gets a bit stretched his poor work rate negatively affects the team - Isaias was able to dictate play better once Roly was gone as Finkler was not able to put pressure on him.

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about 9 years ago

If it had been Victory v WSW the FFA would have either delayed the game 2 hours or postponed it.

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about 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

If it had been Victory v WSW the FFA would have either delayed the game 2 hours or postponed it.

Probably. FFA's own heat policy states that "a match may be delayed or postponed when the WBGT reaches 28 degrees Celsius"

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-he...

Apparently the Nix asked for the game to be delayed according to news reports. I'm guessing Adelaide didn't ask.

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about 9 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

If it had been Victory v WSW the FFA would have either delayed the game 2 hours or postponed it.

Probably. FFA's own heat policy states that "a match may be delayed or postponed when the WBGT reaches 28 degrees Celsius"

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-he...

Apparently the Nix asked for the game to be delayed according to news reports. I'm guessing Adelaide didn't ask.

Does anyone know what the temperature, as measured by the WBGT was?

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about 9 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

If it had been Victory v WSW the FFA would have either delayed the game 2 hours or postponed it.

Probably. FFA's own heat policy states that "a match may be delayed or postponed when the WBGT reaches 28 degrees Celsius"

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-he...

Apparently the Nix asked for the game to be delayed according to news reports. I'm guessing Adelaide didn't ask.

It was to hot to do anything! They got sick after 45 min, it's dangerous, does not help the game. The outcry will be big after the first player collapse. They should have gone on strike, fudge the points!

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about 9 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

If it had been Victory v WSW the FFA would have either delayed the game 2 hours or postponed it.

Probably. FFA's own heat policy states that "a match may be delayed or postponed when the WBGT reaches 28 degrees Celsius"

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-he...

Apparently the Nix asked for the game to be delayed according to news reports. I'm guessing Adelaide didn't ask.

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about 9 years ago

LiamJ wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

If it had been Victory v WSW the FFA would have either delayed the game 2 hours or postponed it.

Probably. FFA's own heat policy states that "a match may be delayed or postponed when the WBGT reaches 28 degrees Celsius"

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-he...

Apparently the Nix asked for the game to be delayed according to news reports. I'm guessing Adelaide didn't ask.

Does anyone know what the temperature, as measured by the WBGT was?

At 39 degrees air temp, with the humidity around 50% then WBGT is calculated at just under 33 degrees (according to google).

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about 9 years ago

We don't have a great record in Adelaide so I'm happy to take a point. A bit miffed by some of the coaching decisions  - when it became obvious that we were sitting deep and trying to hit them on the counter it was strange to keep Smeltz on the pitch for so long. He's too slow for that game and he was just isolated and unable to contribute anything. Our midfield was stretched to breaking point because of the massive amount of space Lia and A-Rod were left covering yet there was no help brought on for them. We also just left that last sub really late considering how hot it was and how spent our whole team looked.

I don't think the bench lesson was leant from last time out either..mix was still wrong unless we are really bereft of defensive cover.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 9 years ago

djtim3000 wrote:

LiamJ wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

If it had been Victory v WSW the FFA would have either delayed the game 2 hours or postponed it.

Probably. FFA's own heat policy states that "a match may be delayed or postponed when the WBGT reaches 28 degrees Celsius"

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-he...

Apparently the Nix asked for the game to be delayed according to news reports. I'm guessing Adelaide didn't ask.

Does anyone know what the temperature, as measured by the WBGT was?

At 39 degrees air temp, with the humidity around 50% then WBGT is calculated at just under 33 degrees (according to google).

at least Adelaide is a "dry heat" While playing in close to 40 degrees is insane,  playing in 32 or 33 in Brissie at 80% humidity would probably be worse in terms of player comfort.
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about 9 years ago · edited about 9 years ago · History

sthn.jeff wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

LiamJ wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

If it had been Victory v WSW the FFA would have either delayed the game 2 hours or postponed it.

Probably. FFA's own heat policy states that "a match may be delayed or postponed when the WBGT reaches 28 degrees Celsius"

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-he...

Apparently the Nix asked for the game to be delayed according to news reports. I'm guessing Adelaide didn't ask.

Does anyone know what the temperature, as measured by the WBGT was?

At 39 degrees air temp, with the humidity around 50% then WBGT is calculated at just under 33 degrees (according to google).

at least Adelaide is a "dry heat" While playing in close to 40 degrees is insane,  playing in 32 or 33 in Brissie at 80% humidity would probably be worse in terms of player comfort.

Just figured out what they really needed was the 12Th Man and his "Scrotom-meter" to measure the player comfort level.

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about 9 years ago · edited about 9 years ago · History

If athletes are vomiting, and spectators are fainting, then your measurement for hotness is crud.

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about 9 years ago

Thought Greenacre spoke well on Australian media regarding the heat factor.

While it is Australia in the summer and one would expect some hot conditions 38c is getting up there.

Seems clear to all that  newscorpse runs the show.

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about 9 years ago

After seeing that the Nix were getting heat stroke, a 2-2 draw is an oustanding result.

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about 9 years ago

Unless you are a climate change denier, I guess we need to get used to these conditions.

We may do well at the WC 2022 in Qatar ...

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 9 years ago

chefmivec wrote:

It was hot yes but it was hot for both teams . Not just ours . 

The heat is just an excuse . We dont need excuses , just keep training hard and eventually results will come .

We can beat any team this season and we have showed that 

 COYN

So you can't state facts without making excuses?

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about 9 years ago

C-Diddy wrote:

djtim3000 wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

If it had been Victory v WSW the FFA would have either delayed the game 2 hours or postponed it.

Probably. FFA's own heat policy states that "a match may be delayed or postponed when the WBGT reaches 28 degrees Celsius"

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/article/ffa-he...

Apparently the Nix asked for the game to be delayed according to news reports. I'm guessing Adelaide didn't ask.

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about 9 years ago · edited about 9 years ago · History

Football Federation Australia have released a statement following Sunday's Hyundai A-League Round 17 match between Adelaide United and Wellington Phoenix at Coopers Stadium.

“All Hyundai A-League matches are played under the FFA Heat Policy, which is an agreed policy that offers a framework to ensure matches are played well within the world's best practice health and safety standards,” said an FFA spokesperson.

“The FFA Heat Policy clearly states that drinks breaks should be implemented if the Wet Bulb Globe Temperature (WBGT) reaches 26 degrees and there should be consideration of delays and postponement if the WBGT reaches 28. The FFA Heat Policy offers greater consideration to players welfare than the FIFA policy and that of most other sports around the world.

“In line with FFA’s Heat Policy both clubs were informed throughout the week of the forecast WBGT for Adelaide on Sunday to ensure the players were professionally prepared.

“The WBGT reading before the match on Sunday in Adelaide was 25.6. Despite this, Head of Hyundai A-League Greg O’Rourke, who was at the match, consulted both Team Doctors and it was agreed to insert drinks breaks into the match as a further sign of FFA’s interest in player welfare. This was all agreed and acknowledged by both teams.

“FFA has since been informed by medical staff at the match that no players suffered heat stroke during the match.”

Considering you can die from heat stroke, that is a terrible treshold to defend your actions

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about 9 years ago

None of the people making these decisions had to run around a pitch for 97 minutes.  Feels like a coverup

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about 9 years ago

None of the people making these decisions had to run around a pitch for 97 minutes.  Feels like a coverup

'Slip slop and slap' is what this sounds like, but not in the sun protection way.

The standards are slipping, FFA rules are sloppy and we end up with a slap in the chops. 

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 9 years ago

Symptoms are 'Nausea and vomiting' so if players really vomited after 45min they should have take off the field.

I could clearly see the following symptoms 'Behavioral changes such as confusion, disorientation, or staggering' Just look at some of the passes to the opposite players...

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about 9 years ago

Mind you bad passing and gifting the opposition the ball has been a most notable habit with the Phoenix over the years.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 9 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Mind you bad passing and gifting the opposition the ball has been a most notable habit with the Phoenix over the years.

Clearly a sign that we've been running hot since day one

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Football Federation Australia have released a statement following Sunday's Hyundai A-League Round 17 match between Adelaide United and Wellington Phoenix at Coopers Stadium.

“All Hyundai A-League matches are played under the FFA Heat Policy, which is an agreed policy that offers a framework to ensure matches are played well within the world's best practice health and safety standards,” said an FFA spokesperson.

“The FFA Heat Policy clearly states that drinks breaks should be implemented if the Wet Bulb Globe Temperature (WBGT) reaches 26 degrees and there should be consideration of delays and postponement if the WBGT reaches 28. The FFA Heat Policy offers greater consideration to players welfare than the FIFA policy and that of most other sports around the world.

“In line with FFA’s Heat Policy both clubs were informed throughout the week of the forecast WBGT for Adelaide on Sunday to ensure the players were professionally prepared.

“The WBGT reading before the match on Sunday in Adelaide was 25.6. Despite this, Head of Hyundai A-League Greg O’Rourke, who was at the match, consulted both Team Doctors and it was agreed to insert drinks breaks into the match as a further sign of FFA’s interest in player welfare. This was all agreed and acknowledged by both teams.

“FFA has since been informed by medical staff at the match that no players suffered heat stroke during the match.”

Considering you can die from heat stroke, that is a terrible treshold to defend your actions

Nice that they departed from Policy whilst being.4 of a degree away from making a decision that drink breaks "should be implemented"

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 9 years ago

MetalLegNZ wrote:
...where as our players are currently enjoying the worst summer I can remember... with little sun and plenty of wind....

Let's not underestimate what this is having on Finkler's current form (and attitude?) In my experience Brazilians are pretty shallow when it comes to the weather.

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about 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Football Federation Australia have released a statement following Sunday's Hyundai A-League Round 17 match between Adelaide United and Wellington Phoenix at Coopers Stadium.

“All Hyundai A-League matches are played under the FFA Heat Policy, which is an agreed policy that offers a framework to ensure matches are played well within the world's best practice health and safety standards,” said an FFA spokesperson.

“The FFA Heat Policy clearly states that drinks breaks should be implemented if the Wet Bulb Globe Temperature (WBGT) reaches 26 degrees and there should be consideration of delays and postponement if the WBGT reaches 28. The FFA Heat Policy offers greater consideration to players welfare than the FIFA policy and that of most other sports around the world.

“In line with FFA’s Heat Policy both clubs were informed throughout the week of the forecast WBGT for Adelaide on Sunday to ensure the players were professionally prepared.

“The WBGT reading before the match on Sunday in Adelaide was 25.6. Despite this, Head of Hyundai A-League Greg O’Rourke, who was at the match, consulted both Team Doctors and it was agreed to insert drinks breaks into the match as a further sign of FFA’s interest in player welfare. This was all agreed and acknowledged by both teams.

“FFA has since been informed by medical staff at the match that no players suffered heat stroke during the match.”

Considering you can die from heat stroke, that is a terrible treshold to defend your actions

So basically, what I gather from this is: Greenie lied, no one was close to dying. Nothing will occur thank you very much.

Adelaide's resident Nix supporter
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about 9 years ago

Greenie is obviously not a medical professional, the players were probably suffering from heat exhaustion or minor heat stroke and he used the term, I doubt he was lying.

If anyone had heat stroke they wouldn't have played the second half.

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about 9 years ago

None of the people making these decisions had to run around a pitch for 97 minutes.  Feels like a coverup

Technically 100 minutes... You didn't add the first half extra time!



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about 9 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

None of the people making these decisions had to run around a pitch for 97 minutes.  Feels like a coverup

Technically 100 minutes... You didn't add the first half extra time!

That was including the drinks break.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 9 years ago · edited about 9 years ago · History

Ryan wrote:

Greenie is obviously not a medical professional, the players were probably suffering from heat exhaustion or minor heat stroke and he used the term, I doubt he was lying.

If anyone had heat stroke they wouldn't have played the second half.

Pretty sure most of us would call someone in good shape, running in the heat, then vomiting heat stroke.  So at the time (pre-medical assessment to give the FFA a technicality) Greenie had no reason to think he was wrong.

The FFA  are such muppets.  Advertisement for coming down to 'Straya to play in the A-League: "Come play in the A League.  Sometimes you may play a game where its so hot we need extra drinks breaks and you might throw up from the vicious heat we make you play in, but don't worry, we will have your back.  We will deny any wrong doing because despite the heat causing you physical problems, its not heatstroke.  So where the bloody hell are ya?"

They want good players, how does a) this, and b) pretending this isnt bad despite what it did to players good for that goal? idiots

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about 9 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Greenie is obviously not a medical professional, the players were probably suffering from heat exhaustion or minor heat stroke and he used the term, I doubt he was lying.

If anyone had heat stroke they wouldn't have played the second half.

Symptoms of Heat Stroke

The hallmark symptom of heat stroke is a core body temperature above 104 degrees Fahrenheit (40 degrees Celsius). But fainting may be the first sign.

Other symptoms may include:

  • Throbbing headache
  • Dizziness and light-headedness
  • Lack of sweating despite the heat
  • Red, hot, and dry skin
  • Muscle weakness or cramps
  • Nausea and vomiting
  • Rapid heartbeat, which may be either strong or weak
  • Rapid, shallow breathing
  • Behavioral changes such as confusion, disorientation, or staggering
  • Seizures
  • Unconsciousness

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/heat-stroke-sym...

How hot is too hot for football?

If you ask the Wellington Phoenix, an ambient temperature of 39 degrees Celsius in Adelaide on Sunday for their 2-2 draw against Adelaide United, in which one of their players vomited at halftime, is too hot.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/888...

Considering the temperature reached 39, players are running around and the radiated heat from the sun as well it would not be unreasonable to think the body could reach 40 degrees C. 

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about 9 years ago

BBC have an article on their website about Australians dying from heatstroke, and there's a quote from a union boss saying if it's over 38 degrees and you have an outdoor job they can't legally make you work. That might be specific agreement with that union or something though. But still....

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about 9 years ago

Bullion wrote:

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  • Throbbing headache
  • Dizziness and light-headedness
  • Lack of sweating despite the heat
  • Red, hot, and dry skin
  • Muscle weakness or cramps
  • Nausea and vomiting
  • Rapid heartbeat, which may be either strong or weak
  • Rapid, shallow breathing
  • Behavioral changes such as confusion, disorientation, or staggering
  • Seizures
  • Unconsciousness

(---)

Pretty much my symptoms on a match day first half of this season.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 9 years ago

Ninety three per cent of players surveyed by Professional Footballers Australia — the soccer players’ union — believed that the start of last weekend’s match between Adelaide United and Wellington Phoenix, played in 38.7C heat, should have been delayed.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/a-lea...

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about 9 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Ninety three per cent of players surveyed by Professional Footballers Australia — the soccer players’ union — believed that the start of last weekend’s match between Adelaide United and Wellington Phoenix, played in 38.7C heat, should have been delayed.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/a-lea...

I agree with comments, but 93% means zip if they only surveyed 10 players.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 9 years ago

This implies that asked all players. 

“In reviewing the match with the players (from that clash), 93 per cent of players wanted the game delayed last week,

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about 9 years ago

Leggy wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Ninety three per cent of players surveyed by Professional Footballers Australia — the soccer players’ union — believed that the start of last weekend’s match between Adelaide United and Wellington Phoenix, played in 38.7C heat, should have been delayed.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/football/a-lea...

I agree with comments, but 93% means zip if they only surveyed 10 players.

They can't have only surveyed 10 players if they got 93%...

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